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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #25 on: 2011-10-31, 16:37:06 »

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Everybody's view is tanted by the lack of patience in their own understanding.
The lack of specific detail is sometimes circumvented by specific questions too soon or asked sternly. Stems from how we were treated as children dependant on those we held respect for or compelled to pay attention to. Right or wrong...



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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #26 on: 2011-10-31, 16:56:45 »
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Quote from: giantkiller on 2011-10-31, 16:37:06
Everybody's view is tanted by the lack of patience in their own understanding.
The lack of specific detail is sometimes circumvented by specific questions too soon or asked sternly. Stems from how we were treated as children dependant on those we held respect for or compelled to pay attention to. Right or wrong...
Not much time on this computer, GiantKiller,

But you're right.   I can get along with you in that regard.   I have Asperger's Syndrome and was teased and insulted in school for a helluva long time.   I could have put my younger brother in the hospital because of his teasing.   My Mom had to warn him before it was too late.   He took the advice.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #27 on: 2011-10-31, 16:59:01 »
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GK: Thanks for the psychological analysis. That's one way of looking at it. There are other ways also.

Lee: take your time,  I'm just trying to get a little clarity and be helpful if I can. It's your thread and you have the right to manage it however you see fit.


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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #28 on: 2011-10-31, 17:32:49 »
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Quote from: ION on 2011-10-31, 16:59:01
Lee: take your time,  I'm just trying to get a little clarity and be helpful if I can. It's your thread and you have the right to manage it however you see fit.
Alright, it's just I get pissed after being occasionally 'poked in the ribs just to see me jump' since I was about 6 or 7 yrs old.   You are actually are a Moderator, but I was considering deleting some of MileHigh's more offensive remarks---obviously on this Bench Forum only.   You and the other Moderators have control of the whole board if you want.

I'll PM Peterae beforehand if I make a definite decision.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #29 on: 2011-10-31, 17:41:34 »
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Lee:

I would welcome seeing your attachment.  I don't pretend to be perfect or know it all.  I recall an example where someone suggested to a high-profile Muller motor investigator to try connecting an Avramenko setup to the generator coil output.  He got nothing from that test but to be honest it's a ridiculous test to do.  In an ideal world both of them should have known that, they have been talking Avramenko plugs and playing with them for years.  It's frustrating because that means that they still don't understand the basic operating principle.  But that wasn't a test that you can get killed doing.  In my mind I felt like scolding them, feeling frustrated about how much more interesting things could be around the forums if people got up the learning curve. But of course that's relative to my own perspective, and there is a ton of material to cover.

I am sure everybody has felt that feeling like "Why is it that I have to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders, how come I always have to be the bigger person?"  Sometimes the forums feel like that.  People make mistakes or repeated mistakes or can't be bothered to Google something and they always have to be treated with kid gloves.  That is a stress in itself that can wear away at your psyche too.

It's ironic that there is an "exception class" also.  Lutec for example, most people accept that they are scammers and nobody bats an eyelash if they are gratuitously bashed.  Same thing for the Witts boys.

If you end up learning something then don't be shy and you can say it.  That's another thing that can wear away at your psyche.  You try to engage someone and you teach them something or you point out a mistake and the response is silence.  It's all part of a sense that people learning stuff on the forums are to be treated with kid gloves.  You can't ever be a little bit tough with them to drive a point home, that's unacceptable, and you have to treat them with kid gloves and be sensitive to their sensitivities if they go mute on you.

All that being said, it is your thread to run as you see fit and I am all talked out on the psychobabble side of things.  I hope that can upload your document soon and we can see what you are trying to accomplish.  It would be helpful if you gave a description of how the circuit is supposed to function.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #30 on: 2011-10-31, 18:01:23 »
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Here is a schematic that was taken from an original Lakhovsky MWO. If you expect the same results as he was getting, you need to use the same machine or at least a replication and not a guess or shortcut of what he was using.
If you or anyone is seriously concidering building a MWO replication, a lot of information and technical data of the original machines can be found at http://users.skynet.be/Lakhovsky/index.htm
   
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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #31 on: 2011-10-31, 18:15:54 »
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I'm going to lunch shortly, but in response to Reply #29,

To be bluntly honest, you, MileHigh, remind me of WilbyInebirated at OU.com.   Same modus operandi.   I mostly quit posting on the site with the exception of my "I see a disaster coming..." thread.   I'm also doing preparatory research for my upcoming job, and that takes up more of my time.   But for you to be as insinuating as you can sometimes, is why you were banned last time?

Oh, and you still didn't answer my question:  Why do you do it?   You want some 'shock value?'  Why is that?

I know a woman, with whom I have a good friendship, but who will also stand up to a man---no matter how big---and tell him what she thinks of his (bad) attitude, even if she's right.   That could get her killed in the slum where we live.  Just for an opinion to you as you gave to me:  You can easily piss a few people off.   If they were ever! in your neighborhood, that would be a really bad idea!
        You can continue to do as you've done, but I try not to act like a Marine drill instructor---which is how you can come off sounding in your words, sometimes.

My relationship with my friend is something I'll merely keep to myself henceforth.   I used her as an example of how I wouldn't act agressively and verbally abrupt.   You can be, IMO.

I'll try and put up a data-uploaded copy of that schematic later when I have more time.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #32 on: 2011-10-31, 18:42:04 »
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Lee:

Looking forward to the schematic.  I am not a Wilby and your statements are getting a bit out of hand so let's move on.

To answer your question with something new:  Your setup was dangerous, and someone could have gotten badly hurt.  All of us want to avoid having people doing dangerous experiments.  We all have an implicit responsibility to try to do that.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #33 on: 2011-10-31, 23:40:08 »
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Quote from: MrMag on 2011-10-31, 18:01:23
Here is a schematic that was taken from an original Lakhovsky MWO. If you expect the same results as he was getting, you need to use the same machine or at least a replication and not a guess or shortcut of what he was using.
Honestly, to make it quicker for you, look at the schematic, and you'll see practically the same thing I've drawn in my diagram.   The major differences: I'm using two sets of step up transformers, a Radio Shack xenon tube for a medium voltage (3600-4800 V) spark gap before---to the left of---the ultra-high voltage transformer, and my radiator will be a solid wire instead of two sets of Lakhovsky coil arcs.
        Lakhovsky coils radiate tremendously in EMI and I was thinking of reducing that with a solid wire.   That's the reason for the large resistors I said I had and they'll be located immediately to the left of the input inductors.   Think of a voltage divider, which in hindsight would work just as well as a plain resistor, and it'll be much more controllable in precise resistance value as well.   I'll redraw the schematic with that in mind.   I'm not going into the complication and expense of a timer and intensity setting, although that's a neat trick in a commercial application.

The thing is, I don't remember whether or not a spiral coil will radiate much EMI or not.   There was a schematic on OU.com that featuring an antenna going to a spiral and then to a step-down transformer/capacitor/diode/battery setup.   The author of the posted reply warned that the circuit radiated 'strongly' with EMI and suggested the thing be contained in a Faraday Cage.  Otherwise, the Feds would come looking for the device for blitzing the airwaves with static.

MileHigh, allow me to ask for your opinion?   Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?

In closing, it occurs to me that you deliberately try and get a reaction from your caustic remarks?   Okay, I got that inadvertently.   My new job will be 1/2 consultant and 1/2 problem solver or maybe a "fireman" to put out others people's problem fires.   And I'm being hired for my intelligence and independence.   I'm supposed to get people to think.   If I don't, I'm not doing my job correctly.   By that measure, I succeeded here without trying.   This is now the longest thread in this Bench Forum and it just happened that way.

--Lee
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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #34 on: 2011-11-01, 00:50:09 »
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Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?

It's too soon to be able to answer your question and the question is too vague.  Seeing your schematic will help.  I can only give you a general response with respect to antenna radiation properties when that time comes, perhaps Ion or Poynt could respond in more detail if they are so inclined.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #35 on: 2011-11-01, 10:14:21 »
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Lee,

I'm not sure why great detail is needed to discuss these devices. After all, they are all just variations on what are known as 'Tesla coils'.

"Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?"

Provided your mention of 'solid wire' refers to a piece of wire or a coil with fewer turns...... the answer would be 'no'.

The output coil on these devices is not only the radiating or antenna part but a major contributor to the operation of the spark gap. That spark gap is the source of all those high frequency energies. I doubt there will be much spark without a fair amount of inductance where the coil should be.

Personally, I consider the therapeutic use  of these systems to be a farce. To each his own  :)

However, there are some interesting points about these. One is the capacitance between windings and coils. Usually, this isn't considered. Another is the fact that these are mini spark gap transmitters. When these were the rage radio was still seen as magic by many.

This past September I had the chance to see an original and working system. It was offered for sale at a local hamfest.  The price was too high  >:( The demonstration included looking at the transmitted signal with a spectrum analyzer. What a mess!

The EMI radiated was seen from under 100kHz to 2gHz (the limits of the equipment)  :o

When you have it working keep an eye out for the FCC mobile and the local constabulary  ;)
   
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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #36 on: 2011-11-01, 13:45:21 »
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I agree with WW here.

The Lakhovsky device includes a spark gap which generates the broad spectrum EMI and an antenna system designed with a number of different length radiators that will resonate and radiate the energy at different frequencies.

 A spiral copper wire will not produce the same effect. It's inductance will filter the higher components.

Best to investigate broad spectrum effects on human tissue before subjecting yourself to such a device.

I have a friend that bought one of the newer designs on the market for several thousand dollars, but never did any scholarly research into the subject.

What can I say?


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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #37 on: 2011-11-01, 18:10:26 »
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WaveWatcher,
I'll address some of your comments while I'm here and have the time.   I'm getting ready to research and rewrite some information I had on a lower priority basis for future presentation to supervisors.   This will take up more of my time in the next few weeks.

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Lee,

I'm not sure why great detail is needed to discuss these devices. After all, they are all just variations on what are known as 'Tesla coils'.
Right, the Tesla coil is the underlying basis of the Lakhovsky coil radiator.
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"Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?"  ...  Provided your mention of 'solid wire' refers to a piece of wire or a coil with fewer turns...... the answer would be 'no'.  ...  The output coil on these devices is not only the radiating or antenna part but a major contributor to the operation of the spark gap.  ...  That spark gap is the source of all those high frequency energies.
Yes, I agree with that.   No argument.
Okay, a couple of questions to ponder:  1)  The highly charged Lakhovsky coil has mutual capacitance between coils closely enough spaced, right?   Then, arcs between the cut-out sections will cause a lot of EMI without a proper spark gap to the right side of a schematic, coming off the step-up transformer as in a typical Tesla coil, right?

2)  Assuming a contained spark gap from a xenon tube or a burned-out light bulb works as well as in a Tesla coil, do you think from your experience, that a wider-spaced set of coil arcs in a Lakhovsky coil would work as well as a more conventional coil?
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I doubt there will be much spark without a fair amount of inductance where the coil should be.
I didn't know that inductance, by itself, had a part in spark gap arc formation.   Is that what you mean?
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Personally, I consider the therapeutic use  of these systems to be a farce. To each his own  :)
Yes, you're right, but then Lakhovsky or coworkers/competitors(?) did work that they say helped people's illnesses:    http://www.rexresearch.com/lakhov/lakhusps.htm
That was what I was thinking of.
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This past September I had the chance to see an original and working system. It was offered for sale at a local hamfest.  The price was too high  >:( The demonstration included looking at the transmitted signal with a spectrum analyzer. What a mess!

The EMI radiated was seen from under 100kHz to 2gHz (the limits of the equipment)  :o
And I agree.   Spark gaps can be used to ignite gas stove burners (my Dad had such a stove), and they just make a popping or snapping sound for a few seconds at most.
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When you have it working keep an eye out for the FCC mobile and the local constabulary  ;)
Yep, that's right.   Spark gaps are illegal in the US and quite possibly in European countries as well.   They drown out the commercial radio spectrum with static.   Wide sections of it.   I said I was getting a job.   I think eventually have a chance to work in an environment where radio reception is attenuated.   A steel frame building, for instance.  In the basement.   In a lab.   I will indeed be better prepared by knowledgeable workers with more experience that I have before I begin.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #38 on: 2011-11-01, 18:59:47 »

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I had a big oops moment after I blew out my cable box with an EMI/EMP blast. Just a small click and then the wife yelled 'The internet is down!'.
No wonder Tesla stayed single, lol.
Later that day the Cable guy went next store first before he came to our house. Oops...

When he came to our house I asked what went wrong(sheepishly)...

He asked 'Did we have a lightning strike in the area, didn't see any storms or clouds tho'?

I replied 'Why no.'

He stated 'Strange. The neighbor's box failed mysteriously also.'

I asked 'Maybe bombcast has a grounding problem...'


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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #39 on: 2011-11-01, 19:17:59 »
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giantkiller,
For your reply #38, this thread, I'd say:  What were you doing to cause an EMi/EMP event like that?   Keep in mind there was an article back in the 70's, I believe, in "Mechanics Illustrated" or "Popular Science" (when they were still publishing), that Russian capacitor-based EMP weapons on rocket payloads would still destroy American electronics on even hardened nuclear silos underground in Nebraska.

Take a look at this.

Was it anything remotely like that?   Maybe a discharge to a coil to ground---which is what the first question implied, but not as a deliberate weapon made by you?  A powerful arc that made the 'click'?

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #40 on: 2011-11-01, 19:37:55 »

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It was a 6" stranded 16awg in a 3/4 circle with 30awg 1inch wrappings on each end. I believe with 100v fet pulses. Wattsup had showed these.
My last exclamation was 'How do I test again and for what purpose?'.

I can deal with bombcast, but my wife?

This test showed me very high excitation levels regardless of the copper mass.

I also have top secret aircraft test filghts around my house. Now how do I answer the door? I have had to take SMs advice of 'better tests, not bigger tests'. I have a Faraday cage. But do I want to find out if it works?

Knock, knock.
My bench and inventory have too many strange devices to fake a response.
'Well we see [Mr. I-like-to-blow-things-up] can you please explain the proper use a spark gap or do you come with us and disappear?


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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #41 on: 2011-11-01, 20:23:50 »
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It was a 6" stranded 16awg in a 3/4 circle with 30awg 1inch wrappings on each end. I believe with 100v fet pulses. Wattsup had showed these.
My last exclamation was 'How do I test again and for what purpose?'.
I have an appointment shortly, so I'll just ask:  You were energizing the 30ga. ends?  With what I think is only one stranded wire in an arc?

Well, if so, that's why I should be careful.   Even with low voltage, the feds can triangulate a EMP transmission that powerful enough.   You're right about the 'knock, knock.'
They won't be happy at all.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #42 on: 2011-11-01, 21:19:28 »

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But let me add this and not mess up the thread:
I had the comp wave generation scheme(that SM mentioned) of the dual stranded, dulse pulse protocol prior to that but was looking for more event. At the time I thought I needed it. But the comp wave generation relies on almost no current, just the rise time impulse of 2 interjecting pulses. These are before the fields just as waves. Before full conduction can occur.
Now I have 4 builds based on this generation.
Its like this:
When firing a spark gap into a coil the coil responds in ways that are normally not needed in standard electronics. This is why we are here. But we want the same thing that happens on the leading edge of the field expansion process. It is the alignment pressure that occurs at the edge of the field. This is the primary action before the secondary action of the conduction power takes hold. So it doesnt have to be big just effective. The comp wave generation does this. We can smack reality(Aether) so fast that is becomes hard. Same as a bellyflop on water. You don't sink till you slow down.


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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #43 on: 2011-11-02, 09:58:39 »
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1)  The highly charged Lakhovsky coil has mutual capacitance between coils closely enough spaced, right?   Then, arcs between the cut-out sections will cause a lot of EMI without a proper spark gap to the right side of a schematic, coming off the step-up transformer as in a typical Tesla coil, right?

Any arc-over is another source of EMI. Without the intended spark gap to the right of the xfmr there will be little HV generated. That spark gap is the 'switch' in the oscillator part of the circuit. I didn't think the final output coils (the antenna portions) were supposed to be close to each other, anyway.

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2)  Assuming a contained spark gap from a xenon tube or a burned-out light bulb works as well as in a Tesla coil, do you think from your experience, that a wider-spaced set of coil arcs in a Lakhovsky coil would work as well as a more conventional coil?I didn't know that inductance, by itself, had a part in spark gap arc formation.   Is that what you mean?

The inductance is one half of the energy storage and the voltage boost part of the circuit. You'll have to experiment to answer most of that question. Too many variables here to provide definite answers. Just use safety glasses and reasonable care. If you are using a microwave oven transformer your chances for problems are increased dramatically. If you don't see the dangers of that you should use a different (much weaker) voltage source to start with. A MOT easily provides enough energy to kill or maim you or anyone nearby.

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Yes, you're right, but then Lakhovsky or coworkers/competitors(?) did work that they say helped people's illnesses:    http://www.rexresearch.com/lakhov/lakhusps.htm
That was what I was thinking of.And I agree.  

The only effects I've realized with similar RF use are RF burns, headaches and white spots in my vision. I could never see any benefit from such exposure.

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Spark gaps can be used to ignite gas stove burners (my Dad had such a stove), and they just make a popping or snapping sound for a few seconds at most.Yep, that's right.   Spark gaps are illegal in the US and quite possibly in European countries as well.   They drown out the commercial radio spectrum with static.   Wide sections of it.   I said I was getting a job.   I think eventually have a chance to work in an environment where radio reception is attenuated.   A steel frame building, for instance.  In the basement.   In a lab.   I will indeed be better prepared by knowledgeable workers with more experience that I have before I begin.

--Lee


I wish you luck on that new job. It maybe a good idea to leave the EMI generators at home. I have a little experience with that issue  ;)

My work requires a certain amount of concentration. When I was working as part of a group one of my partners had a thing for certain types of music - of which I hated >:(

After pleading with him for a few months to kill the racket I corrected the problem. They couldn't figure out why FM & AM reception just quit inside the building. Their CD and MP3 players wouldn't work either. Sometimes they would just quite working permanently. Go figure?   C.C

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GK,

I've said it before.... sometimes you worry me.

This hobby can be like a drug. Excessive and repeated use can cause some real problems.

I didn't acquire my extreme good looks without all the HV, magnetic and RF exposure. Maybe it is time for a little moderation on our usage?

Need I remind you that the sharper transition also creates more broad garbage signals?
   
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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #44 on: 2011-11-03, 00:49:23 »
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Any arc-over is another source of EMI. Without the intended spark gap to the right of the xfmr there will be little HV generated. That spark gap is the 'switch' in the oscillator part of the circuit. I didn't think the final output coils (the antenna portions) were supposed to be close to each other, anyway.
giantkiller knocked out his Internet and his neighbor's as well with one slight spark.   I hadn't asked him yet:  Were the 30ga. wire turned directly connected to the 16ga. arc or were they influenced by mere inductive coupling?
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The inductance is one half of the energy storage and the voltage boost part of the circuit. You'll have to experiment to answer most of that question. Too many variables here to provide definite answers. Just use safety glasses and reasonable care. If you are using a microwave oven transformer your chances for problems are increased dramatically. If you don't see the dangers of that you should use a different (much weaker) voltage source to start with. A MOT easily provides enough energy to kill or maim you or anyone nearby.
MOT's and TV CRT transformers were widely available after the U.S. went digital in TV transmissions.   But, these transformers are designed to be soldered to PC boards and lengthening output leads with soldered extensions is a hassle nowadays.
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The only effects I've realized with similar RF use are RF burns, headaches and white spots in my vision. I could never see any benefit from such exposure.
Commercial sellers of Lakhovsky systems indicate not to use the device for a long time, or on a high power setting for a long time.   Besides, the Tesla coil puts out the same EMI with its spark gap, doesn't it?   Tesla didn't suffer like you did, right?  Why is that?
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I wish you luck on that new job. It maybe a good idea to leave the EMI generators at home. I have a little experience with that issue  ;)

My work requires a certain amount of concentration. When I was working as part of a group one of my partners had a thing for certain types of music - of which I hated >:(

After pleading with him for a few months to kill the racket I corrected the problem. They couldn't figure out why FM & AM reception just quit inside the building. Their CD and MP3 players wouldn't work either. Sometimes they would just quite working permanently. Go figure?   C.C

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Well, you hid an EMI transmitter in the building?   With the construction of steel 'I'-beam frames throughout every floor, thus acting like a Faraday cage inside the building only?   How did you hide it so that someone wouldn't detect it and disable the thing?   Oh, careful, they can see this post themselves, you know.   :o    :P   :-X

GK,
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I didn't acquire my extreme good looks without all the HV, magnetic and RF exposure. Maybe it is time for a little moderation on our usage?
How do you mean?   A double negative (e.g.,"didn't" & "without") often implies a positive, reverse psychology response.   As I said, Tesla did work around his coils for years and was healthy.
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Need I remind you that the sharper transition also creates more broad garbage signals?
Okay, this may answer my question above as to how a "slight spark" can kill the electronics in an Internet connection.   I hadn't thought of it, though.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #45 on: 2011-11-03, 02:08:37 »
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Lee:

Assuming that your circuit is a variation on a Tesla coil setup then I will assume that you are not putting the output of your high-voltage transformer across the oven heating element.  By the same token the excitation is not 60 Hz, you are just using the 60 HZ AC to trigger a different excitation with lots of high frequency content.  Those two things change everything and you likely won't have any risk of exploding resistors, transformers, or heating elements.  The setup of course could still be dangerous due to the presence of high voltage.

This is an example of two things, 1) there is a real "lingo" for discussing electronics but it's rare that you see it on the forums, 2) schematic, schematic, schematic.

If you don't possess the technical lingo then the schematic becomes even more important than it already is.

A building can act like a Farady cage but it's all wavelength and geometry dependent.  Same thing for any type of transmitting antenna scheme, it's all wavelength and geometry dependent.  To get a sense of all that stuff, just look at different polar and other plots for transmitting antenna schemes for radio and TV antennas.  You can also look at reception patterns for a given antenna.  No matter what you build, without sophisticated sensing equipment and wave pattern plotting software, an amateur would not likely be able to have a sense of what the results would be like.  Someone with a lot of experience in this field would likely have a sense of what the results would be like.

Your best simple tool for an investigation is to use a transistor radio sent on the AM band and move it around the antenna setup.  It's reasonable to assume that when you are within a few meters of the setup you will hear "ticks" at 60 Hz in pretty much any direction.  If there is a true Tesla-coil-like setup then I would assume that you would also sense the short pulses of near-field high-voltage gradients in the immediate vicinity of the device.

I looked at some Lakhovsky coil clips on YouTube and what may have been interesting and uplifting for you was uncomfortable and almost painful for me.  Every few sentences there is an "inflection point" that's painful to hear for me.  Such is life.

In a nutshell, it sounds like siting next to an antenna for this setup would be akin to sitting next to 1000 transmitting cell phones.  I will assume that there were no double-blind testing trials and associated research papers done for this stuff.  I am assuming any evidence is all anecdotal.

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #46 on: 2011-11-03, 02:38:01 »
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We can smack reality(Aether) so fast that is becomes hard. Same as a bellyflop on water. You don't sink till you slow down.

In pulsed laser research they can create pulses of light that are so short (femtoseconds (?)) that they call it a "pancake" of light.  That's because it's a thin circular-disk-shaped pulse of light traveling along like a well aimed custard pie in flight about to hit somebody in the face.

Your belly-flop electromagnetic fantasy inspired me to hit you with the pancake reality!  lol

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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #47 on: 2011-11-03, 03:26:56 »
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Lee,

My double negative was to convey my definite lack of good looks  ;)

Wasn't Tesla known in his later years as doing everything in three's and having a multitude of phobias? I think his exposure may have been more than beneficial.

As far as my little battery powered interference device.... all I can say is try googling 'EW', 'ECM' and 'ECCM'. I have substantial experience in that field. It was still running a few months after I left that place. Later, a friend asked where it was hidden because they never found it. I didn't admit to it and never heard about it again.

A pro would be able to locate it once he realized the signal nulled completely out at varying locations throughout the day. It was fun to watch a Ham radio enthusiast waste time looking for it with his fox hunting gear  C.C

The parts cost was about $20. Most of that was invested in the battery. That might equate to about a hundred today. Hmmm.... I suppose today I could make it much smaller than the tuna tin I used for the enclosure then. It may be a good thing that I can ban such noise from my offices today  :)

Oh well, there are more fun things in life. Experimenting and learning more can be great fun.
   
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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #48 on: 2011-11-03, 13:55:49 »
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MOT's and TV CRT transformers were widely available after the U.S. went digital in TV transmissions.   But, these transformers are designed to be soldered to PC boards and lengthening output leads with soldered extensions is a hassle nowadays.
This statement caused a big red light to flash on my biocomputer. Does not compute. How do you arrive at this?

I have ripped apart a lot of microwave ovens and never saw the massive transformer soldered to the PC board. What does this have to do with digital transmission of TV signals.

I regularly rip apart older TV's for parts, and carefully unsolder the HV transformer. Soldering wires to it is no problem.

CRT HV transformers are certainly soldered to the PC boards, but what does that have to do with digital TV transmission, except that older TV's can be found in the trash and are widely available? But microwave ovens?

Please clarify as your quote seems to be missing vital information.


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Re: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits... « Reply #49 on: 2011-11-03, 21:50:54 »
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From Lee:
This statement caused a big red light to flash on my biocomputer. Does not compute. How do you arrive at this?

I have ripped apart a lot of microwave ovens and never saw the massive transformer soldered to the PC board. What does this have to do with digital transmission of TV signals.

I regularly rip apart older TV's for parts, and carefully unsolder the HV transformer. Soldering wires to it is no problem.

CRT HV transformers are certainly soldered to the PC boards, but what does that have to do with digital TV transmission, except that older TV's can be found in the trash and are widely available? But microwave ovens?


Descriptive MOT application file page...here.

Spare MOT's on mail order...here.

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...CRT HV transformers are certainly soldered to the PC boards, but what does that have to do with digital TV transmission, except that older TV's can be found in the trash and are widely available? But microwave ovens?
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Please clarify as your quote seems to be missing vital information.
Okay, I only assumed Microwave ovens had MOT's soldered to any PD board they possess, if any had them.   I admit I spoke from an assumption.   I do know TV's can have low voltage terminals soldered to PC boards, since I've seen torn-apart TV's on the street.

You were correct.

Please take note:
My schematic is finished, but I'll get to trying to upload it later because I need to run around town and pay bills, among other business.   I guess there's no hurry, since there's two places I can go and they're quite a ways apart.

I'll be moving at the end of the month, and this will concern me with greater attention up until then.  Until then,  this is information for the therapeutic Lakhovsky coil:

http://www.copperhealth.com/print_coil_instructions.pdf

Building a MWO with a 555 incorporated into the circuit(Internet page still being constructed)...here.

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