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I have also seen that bump on many of my phase shift sweeps, i have never really bothered to look at it.
   

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Aetheric echo?
The decay from the fets is minimal as can be seen in the immediate off time in the red trace.
When the coil ringing comes to an almost stop the blip appears.
Its like when the physical injected pressure stops the aether wants to subside at its freedom of movement. And [Blip], there it is.
There is also a [dead] zone right before the blip. Then ringing can be seen after the blip. These two sets of ringing are different compared to the coil ringing. The coil ringing does not acurately reflect the fet line ringing.

To quote SM: "It's the way coils act naturally".

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I am going to further isolate the fets from the coil by placing more diodes. I know.... they don't do anything in this region of hyperactivity. But we are limited in the devices at hand. But my suspicion is if I further eliminate the slight ringing from the fet drive lines then I suspect I can get to that blip.
Furthermore I will place more LC blocking in line to further minimize the decay.

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Removed diodes. The signal is now 135vpp.
A section of the ringing reveals a nice sinewave of 190ns or 5,263,157.89~hz.
The scope displays ~173khz.
Will add longline rc filter using the horizontal collectors as an L of 5uh.
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I think the easiest base test for your coil is simply to take a mains transformer 120v input and 12v to 25v output and connect it to your three horizontal loops in series. Put all your verticals in series to a dioded capacitor of good enough uF with or without a load. Look at input and output on the scope and volt meter the output. This is what I call force feeding since your mains transformer will give great amplitude and great sine wave switching.

Then modify the H loops in the series configuration...

Start 1) Top - center - bottom
2) Top - bottom - center
3) Top - bottom only
4) Top - center only
5) Center only

Then modify the H loops in the parallel/series configuration.

Start 6) Top/Bottom is series in parallel to center
7) Top - center - bottom all in parallel.

With all these variables, you will see different results on the output. So you find the best output config and then you start playing with your vertical coils instead of all series, check each one individually off the best H driving method and start testing the Vertical outputs with either series/parallel and even bifilar type connections to see again the best output.

Once that is done you can reverse the test and drive the V coils and measure off the H loops.

All these tests will give you some good base ideas on the dynamics of your coils and their relationships. If some configs respond at the 60Hz sine wave level, then they will respond at higher frequencies as well but then you can work out higher frequency square or sine wave pulsing always looking for any effect that gives you a better output result then the best base test.

The main question to answer at this initial stage is what is the connection configuration that will provide the maximum output. Some of the above will work against each other while others will work in tandem with each other while it may be that the best config is to not use some of the coils or loops. I have a sixth sense feeling that the center loop is not needed because the limited coil height making the center loop really out of any useful node point relative to the V coils.

Last thing about the H loops, if it was possible to get a center tap on the center loop, you could put the loops in series as top - center - bottom put the ends top and bottom ends together as one side and the center loop center tap as the other side. This will give you dual rotor type action inside the V coils but then you can play with how the H loops are connected. Like this. The first designation is which loop and the second is which wire of that loop.

Top bottom to center top - center bottom to bottom top - bottom bottom with top top on one side and center center tap to other side.
Top bottom to center bottom - center top to bottom top - bottom bottom with top top on one side and center center tap to other side.
Top bottom to center bottom - center top to bottom bottom - bottom top with top top on one side and center center tap to other side.

Keep up the good work.

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PS: In my personal perspective, the H loop should be the ether bait since the ether will want to pile onto the H loop and it must pass through the V coils to get there. Pulsing the V coils will only create to many cancellation points on the H loops plus the outer V coil will shield the ether from entering into the H loops. But that is only my perspective.



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Put all your verticals in series to a dioded capacitor of good enough uF with or without a load.

For any further results there would have to be .7v on the verticals 90 degree coupled from 4-12 turns with 60hz sine. That's asking alot when using 14vac 60hz with .250a.
At 112 vertical turns * 12 horizontal turns gives 1,344 coupling points.


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I put this one here because of the resonance with an iron core and two coils at 90 degrees to each other.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmL19smxww&feature=related[/youtube]


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I hope my view is not seen as a non believer by my posts.
I believe.
Look at this subject this way:
The believers are talking about the process before conduction not in conduction.
If there are those that don't understand this then they are in the realm of understanding at the conduction level.
The level before conduction presents a whole other area of device operation.
If this breaks anybody here then I ask them to get acquainted with the next step.

I have not taken alot of advice because I am trying to tap the excitation after the non conductive pulsing.
It looks like pulsing on the screen but it acts like a detonation or smacking against the fabric that makes up the supportive layer of what most believe is reality.
You can wave your hand through it because the assumption is it is nothing or a void. But the space between the subatomic particles and molecules is rock hard at the correct speed. Everything is. Water can kill if hit at a high speed. This same law of interaction applies to all matter. We swage metal by pushing at the correct speed, no?
What does anyone think of why SM mentioned the bullets hitting the side of a car? He was trying to elucidate on the subject of time or speed.

If I use current then this puts the circuit explanation in a common view that we all can basically agree on. But in the realm of prior conduction I have not seen any valid explanations or affirmation from most here except the questions from Groundloop and the terms and statements from Grumpy about displacement or cold current.

There are posters that don't know what they are looking at and when they try to announce or describe they are met with rebuttals. Most have not the knowledge to defend what they are getting as results. I doubt there is anyone here that is totally up on this subject, even myself.
But let me say this:
If you have extremely high frequency with current conduction of .5 amps and higher then you blow equipment up and hurt yourself. Obviously. What I am doing with coils now is to see where the force goes before conduction starts. Again if nobody has seen this or understands then their assessments are void. It is something new to experiment with.

I can not change the timing of my setup or I lose the returning echo. What help I ask for is to review my scope shot and advise me on what components and where I can attach to this process to make it amplify. I have on my list an aparthied capacitor.

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt5.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5971-sr-193-sr193-study-device-theories-diagrams-schematics-experiments.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2sTMpamS44[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DCeeGeVwc8&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwbMpqqQGLw&feature=related[/youtube]

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Wattsup!,
I applied your suggestion of center tap to my current coil build. Patent 336961 - Tesla.
This shows the 3 configurations of a bifilar coil wind. These configurations also encompass all the configurations from people who claim overunity, including the aparthied capacitor.
You mentioned I did not need 3 collectors. Well 2 fit the patent configuration. And also with the compwave generation scheme. Woulda thunk it, no?



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I have been working with very narrow pulses and coil windings that Smith, Kapanadze, SM, EVgrey, Moray and Spherics talked about.
The idea is there is no conduction just pure potential. This is the start of the process. The way SM achieved it was using multiple frequencies to get an eclipsing overlap. The pulsing would shut off very quickly. This rings the coils. Then the next part of the process is to get a sympathetic vibratory ringing between 2 coils going. This creates a resonant transformer overload condition. Just like in every day electronic failures.
If you google [patrick j. kelly free energy] a list of his documents comes up and you will see scores of this. This is where the thumping comes from because of the shifting of the coil away from its center resonant point and back to a resonant connection. The beat frequency is 8hz Schumann. Google [schumann resonance]

This is why it is so simple. We control the overload condition just shy of self destruction. Just like SM stated. And [the coils work naturally].
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Thanks for re posting that GK

Time to re build the Tetra i think.
So the top coil of the Tetra needs to be pulsed at the NMR frequency of Iron or would it be 3rd harmonic of iron and the other 3 base coils at NMR?

http://www.webelements.com/iron/nmr.html

Isotope    57Fe       
Natural abundance /%    2.2       
Spin (I)    1/2       
Frequency relative to 1H = 100 (MHz)    3.237778       
Receptivity, DP, relative to 1H = 1.00    0.000000752       
Receptivity, DC, relative to 13C = 1.00    0.00430       
Magnetogyric ratio, γ (107 rad T-1 s-1)    0.8680624       
Magnetic moment, μ (μN)    0.1569636       
Nuclear quadrupole moment, Q/millibarn    160       
Line width factor, 1056l (m4)    -

I know the frequency will vary depending on the magnetic field strength, but  3.23MHz should be possible

My coils are brooks coils
35SWG
1.85km
774 Ohms
3.23Henrys

So am aiming for at least 3.5MHz at 350V pulses for top coil, each pulse is adjustable in phase +/- 100nS

Is the Tetra worthy of research or was it just for public consumption and not really meant to function other than to indicate the principle of operation.
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This is the exact same message I received from Spherics before he left. 8)

He was promoting Magneto-vectorization. The builds are dependent on materials, physical configuration, and pulsing protocol. These must be and all are a congruent balance. Otherwise the test is just knob twiddling. And as @Ex and @Peterae have alluded to if you build a configuration you better know what you are aiming for otherwise you will burn out due to lack of results. The parameters have to come to a congruency where each parameter's output is affiliated with the others. The NMR can be reached be it in a material or field where the low frequencies overlap. Those vector points are the tool. And they can be very high in transition due to the finite point of the eclipse. Since the fields are not exact spheres the vectors can be altered by the angular positions of the coils or materials onto a target of materials or other fields. This process when targeted onto a solid material i.e. something non-moving, will effect the nucleus of the target. Look at all the coil related overunity devices again and you will begin to see the process that extends outside of academia in this area of research. Magnacoaster and the MRI process start at the same point. Do not argue the point of sloppiness versus complexity.
    The compwave generator that Spherics originally proposed was the key insight to all that this overunity effort is and should be focused on. But like @Ex stated, people just go off an build something based upon their electro-mechanical abilities thinking another transformer is going to cut it. Well 'No' and that is correct.

A set of steps to follow to get right into the gist of all this is:
look at the compwave generator protocol, look at the Spheric's build( I said 'look'), look at the papertube roll test that grumpy proposed and Jason and I did, then look at the Stan Deyo birthday cake build (THE LARGEST AMOUNT of Tesla coils in any given space on the planet!) I did a graphic of the fields and hairbear built one and tested it, and my attached pics., Read Russell, Shauberger, Alchemical manual, and Keely. These people talk about the match between fields and matter. Without this you're just posting like 'pin the tail on the donkey'.
    The head to head Tesla coils are a Spheric's build of diminished complexity. But this build offers a variance of physical space. And it is cheap! If the builder does not want to use Tesla coils and go through that level of complexity then simply use 2 ignition coils(watch the current draw, the focus is on potential(pressure not flow))(we don't want to burn we want to shock)(The shock is a higher speed than the current of slower speed) with iron wire pancake coils as heads facing each other to start a test bed. Distance and angle are the only physical parameters in this. Now the meat is you must know your target, what angle of the fields and the distance, and the target's molecular structure. The goal is to produce NMR at, on or in the target. Every target can be considered as media. This should make it easy and save money for anybody wanting and willing to keep on truckin' in this area. Remember this: you change the configuration you alter the effect of the other parameters. This is why Spherics was so adamant about the specifications up front.

This should be in my 'Final answer' thread. The information here is akin to the current trend of 3d printing. Grasp this, get on board and you'll be at the start of an inconceivable revolution. Otherwise, the discussions will be about the validity of processes, poster's knowledge, component operation and egos.

The large Tesla coil is strictly 120v @ 60hz operation. The coils were matched to the input parameters. The head is made up of fluorescent tubes of different gases. The radiant discharge is all that is necessary because the gases only emit their level of radiant spectrum when ionized which happens to match the same molecular components of the body. It's all in the target, baby!

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Is the Tetra worthy of research or was it just for public consumption and not really meant to function other than to indicate the principle of operation.

No, it is meant to function.  The high pulse-rate puts it into the reach of people with these skills.

He said you could place two copper rods in the rotating region and measure substantial voltage and current, and that you can get the pulse rate down as low as 3kz if you put a SEP around the entire tetra configuration.


   

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Ah yes i forgot he said that.

So the next question is

are the 3 bottom coils pulsed at the NMR and the top would be 3rd harmonic, if so then i would need to pulse the top coil at over 9MHz which could be hard, but maybe do able i suppose
   

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Ah yes i forgot he said that.

So the next question is

are the 3 bottom coils pulsed at the NMR and the top would be 3rd harmonic, if so then i would need to pulse the top coil at over 9MHz which could be hard, but maybe do able i suppose

I recommend placing a large coil around the whole tetra assembly to organize the little things, and then pulse at a much lower rate.
   

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From the patent EP0099946A1 http://www.google.com/patents/EP0099946A1?cl=en:
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[0053]The theory of induced beta decay involves a coupling of the nuclear fragment both to the external electromagnetic field and to the weak (beta decay) interaction. The coupling constant of the weak interaction is very small. On the other hand, the coupling constant to the electromagnetic field is very much larger, particularly in view of the relatively large intensity of the applied field. Furthermore, the field can be regarded as being on for a time approaching infinity before and after the beta decay occurs. Therefore, the weak interaction is treated as a perturbation which causes a transition of the nucleus-plus-field system from one state to another. The combined nuclear-electromagnetic field system is explicitly time dependent, so the standard derivation of the perturbation formalism of beta decay (based on stationary nuclear states) is not appropriate. However, a derivation which is applicable in the presence of explicit time dependence gives a result which has the standard form.
[0054] The perturbation theory just described requires a knowledge of the state vector for the nuclear fragment in the presence of the field. The interacting nuclear wave function employed is the momentum translation approximation.
[0055] The electron emitted in the beta decay does not appear until the decay has occurred, and so its interaction with the field might be thought to be of little consequence. However, the field intensity parameter associated with induced beta decay is so large (and the mass of the electron sufficiently small) that the onset of effective interaction of the electron with the field occurs on a shorter time scale than the Heisenberg uncertainty time of the beta decay interaction. The onset of field-electron interaction is also much faster than the transit time of the newly created beta particle across the nucleus. The electron is therefore represented by a Volkov wave function, which is an exact solution for a free charged particle in the presence of an electromagnetic field.

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Module in place with Max rs232, Status Led, and piezo. Added reset button.
Power on beeps, and LED flashes.
Now the next step of debug can be executed.
Need to rebuild controller firmware image then program dspic.


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Looks like some pretty heavy stuff there GK.  O0


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Looks like some pretty heavy stuff there GK.  O0

If you've missed reading the Reiss patent, it contains some important clues. Read towards the end "other configurations" . See post # 81 in TK replicates.

While I don't comprehend all the math, I do get the main points of the patent, which I believe relate to the TPU construction and energy source.


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Looks like some pretty heavy stuff there GK.  O0

This controller worked. Now the pc and ctrlr are either missing bits or some kinda nightmare. Spurious errors are happening in jasons and my unit. I'll find it. I have to compare the pc and ctrlr software heap and the rs232 bbitstream. Hacking talent never really truly goes away.  >:-)


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I got the controller working! It still needs some tweeking but the error laid in a variable definition in the firmware code. When I get that done I am back on track. This process only took a week to find the bug. I need to set the firmware up to do exactly the protocol I need. Then the fun starts. I can get back to applying to my current build. I still need to build a 2nd primary for the other side of my two tesla coil configuration. But now I have the Spheric's process back in my domain. Its been 2 years dealing with this failure. I truck on.

I must be a real geek. My depression has subsided into pure bliss over signals on a scope!
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Controller fixed.
Missing variable initialization in the firmware C code.
Can now continue along the Spherics, Keely, Hutchison, TTBrown path.


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The effect of the nanopulse is easily subducted.
I told Jason about this. The dual pulse protocol has 3 components to it. The first component is the actual dual pulse itself and the second component is the spacing between the next pair coming in. The third component is the event.
The dual pulse itself, as outlined by Spherics is the necessary chain to affect copper. Key point here.
The  second component is for the actual topology of the copper itself dealing with length, gauge, loop diameter or linear section, number of windings, spacing, volume, and mass. I know some of these seem redundant or not a correct collective but these are the entities that go into a copper target we have have all been creating.
The third component is the event. This we have all seen in many ways. To the untrained or inexperienced eye this area can be very exciting or mysterious. This area is what we are trying to lay claim to but have not been taught or experienced in. This area is not your typical experience factor.
We have loops and linear length of copper. These create fields that are only the start of what is necessary. The start is the 'Bias' or created medium with which we desire to communicate with. It is an interface with the surrounding environment. Like a buffer. To directly impact the surrounding takes more power, i.e. T.T.Brown. This could be an area to deal with but that will come later as everyone finds out the 'Safe' way to work this format. Brown used aluminum as his strike medium or buffer to then push against the surrounding medium. This worked very well. Make sense so far?
What others are trying to do is, whether they know it or not, is to create a medium with which to use to push against the surrounding. What would this do? The surrounding aether is a very stable pressure. Normally we don't effect it but in very slow ways like radio. But when it is flexed it wants balance at an extreme cost. It will not be moved. But we can do this by creating an opposing extreme pressure. High frequency, high potential do this. This is nothing new.
There are a myriad attempts to move this medium. Banging coils does just that! The medium reflects back with multiple echos. Spark gap in, crashing noise out.
Back to the copper. If there are other metals involved or other copper configurations near then they become what looks to be resistive. But it is not. The other materials lay in different frequency ranges. To match this range is to get a reflection back. To not match this frequency creates a bandwidth filter that subducts the event. When copper is struck at the correct frequency it rings. Think atomically. The other materials become bandpass filters which atomically absorb the activity. This is why low impedance, low inductance, low resistance, air core primaries are so important. There are no other materials present so the activity created can be seen. The activity is there but most of the times we only see the after effect because our tools are slower and have other metals in them. If one can get the correct tool configuration then one can see the event. Or we create the event within range of where 'We ARE'.
If you change your copper topology then you change the second component, the spacing. Obviously. Different space in the copper set equals different space in the 2nd component. The first component is directly related to copper. I am sure the other materials are close to this but with some variation. Different viscosity equals different speed. When the first 2 components are correct the 3rd component, the event will appear.
What to do with the event?
It is equivalent to a very finite strike range of a spark gap. So imagine hitting a select primary with an exacting strike instead of a flood of noise. Tesla loved the conical primary because it is a natural way to tune the primary, as in variable concentric turns with varying dimensional positions. The conical configuration uses a higher band of frequencies from the array of spark gap emissions.
Here is an interesting paradigm correction. http://www.instructables.com/answers/Why-do-primary-coils-differ-in-shape-and-location-/
To achieve the correct resonant effect, for what end result I don't know, the spark gap is made more intrusive and the later stage tuning is explicit. Why not find the correct input and be done?

Without the correct input all attempts look like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Quick-and-Dirty-Hand-Held-quotTesla-Coilquot/
Or just play with a paper clip in the wall outlet?

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I've seen a coil self-pulse when wrapped in a certain way and pulsed with an extremely high voltage pulse. It keeps "pulsing" or oscillating by itself, only the pulses are both positive and negative, like a train of alternating extremely quick spikes. I don't know what to make of that.

The coil was wrapped like a vertical solenoid, with another coil wrapped around the circumference, and the windings angled slightly. Pulsing the angled winding once, then shorting the coil causes the oscillations to continue until it breaks due to over voltage at some point (the voltage keeps rising at large rate). The vertical coil is the output, but it's totally unusable because the pulses are so quick, short, and switch polarities. Maybe it's nothing but a weird effect, but it was interesting to see.
   

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I would say that sounds amazing, i would continue with your work or show a video of whats happening here so we can see  ^-^
   
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