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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #725 on: 2011-07-16, 01:52:58 »
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Quote from: EMdevices on 2011-07-15, 17:38:50
@wattsup,
I'll give you an example why I'm not wrong, as you say.   You have not accounted for all the wires going in and out from under the device, as I asked you to in the beginning, and not doing so has lead you to believe there are wires going under the table.   If you do a careful accounting of all the wires, assuming the bottom coil takes 2 wires, you will realize everything is ok.
Keep in mind these points as you observe:
1)  Romero uses wires of different colors to connect with the bottom coils.   He uses an orange black pair, a red black pair, and black black pair (1A and 1B, and 2A and 2B, on my drawing),   and also a red orange pair.
2)  Some wires curve under the device and come back out, see wire 3 and 4
Now, if I were going to fake this do you think I would have an obvious wire pair going from top down under?  NO,  I would have an extension from one of the bottom coils, that nobody can see.  
EM

@EM

You are looking at the wrong place to begin with. You are one coil to the left of the rear drive circuit when you should be looking further up. Because you are such a nice guy I will really spell it out for you and others that there is no doubt about Wire Xs going down the hole.

First look at where the Black Wire X starts at the negative of the Generator DC output rail. It then goes in parallel with the battery negative (which is also the dc converter negative) to the input of the rear drive circuit terminal. From there, behind the circuit Romero soldered a black wire to continue down and through the table hole. It is absolutely and irrevocably unmistakable leaving no doubt at all that the Black Wire X and the Red Wire X are going down that hole. He used this same black wire to connect his  hidden battery in Video 3.

The Red Wire X starts to the right of the rear drive coil and I have shown it enough times for you to know where it starts. He also used this same Red Wire X to connect to his hidden battery in Video 3.

Do not mistake these two wires with the orange and black of the bottom drive coil. They are both totally distinct and their origins are as shown.

Again, there is no mistake, no illusion, no error.

wattsup

Added: In the last three images where I mention Gen Coil should be Drive Coil.


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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #726 on: 2011-07-16, 02:02:06 »
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@poynt99 or @Peterae,
You need an objective point of view here,instead of the
heroworshiping,ass kissing,Pink unicorns and fairy dust that's happening now.How about
allowing Mr MileHigh to post again ,that's if hes still restricted.
I don't buy everything he says but most of it and he is objective,and an expert in hes field,perhaps
a little tempermental,maybe.
Anyway consider allowing him to post again,
Thanks
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #727 on: 2011-07-16, 02:18:07 »
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This stuff is getting out of hand.

Objectivity on a free energy forum?  C.C

BTW:

UNICORNS AREN'T PINK! - unless you've skinned yours  :P

Where did all the whack come from? Did somebody leave the screen door open?
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #728 on: 2011-07-16, 02:20:26 »

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Buy me a drink
We need more bullets thrown in the campfire?
This started out throwing bones to each other.
Then throwing stones.
Then objectivity gets thrown out the window.

Then warring chimps arise in hopes of a domination.
Then cluster hugs of brooding.
Then tenable agreements until a new item chimes in.

And round and round it goes, swirling into the compressible vortex of soapboxes.

My advice is look into the Casimir effect.
Valone mentions some interesting effects when affecting a bias level at sub atomic levels.


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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #729 on: 2011-07-16, 02:30:04 »
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Quote from: giantkiller on 2011-07-16, 02:20:26
We need more bullets thrown in the campfire?
This started out throwing bones to each other.
Then throwing stones.


Bullets in the campfire?  Yeh!  Then we could argue about longitudinal waves or just insult each other for having a different opinion !

Sounds like fun, GK. You stoke the fire and I'll throw in a case of 12 ga. bird-shot shells after the first round of Kum Ba Yah  >:-)
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #730 on: 2011-07-16, 02:34:30 »

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I get the feeling a just sprayed a can of whoopass in my face.
Titled 'Self inflicted diatribe'.


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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #731 on: 2011-07-16, 02:49:09 »

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Here we go again...


I agree that MH is objective, and his gag should be removed.  CP is right about being objective as well.  Not much "scientific approach" on forums.
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #732 on: 2011-07-16, 03:32:53 »
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@all

Guys, don't worry anymore. This is my last post on this subject. Just figure it out yourselves. I now realize it is simply pointless.

I will just stay on the sidelines. lol

Sorry to the builders but I have had more then enough with this clowning around a wheel.

If you want to look at these Romero videos closer yourself, you need a Naevius type youtube to AVI program then use VirtualDubMod program to open the AVI. In VDM, use the "null transform" feature to zoom into the area of any frame to blow it up. I use Snaggle to grab the image. Good luck.

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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #733 on: 2011-07-16, 03:46:50 »
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Quote from: wattsup on 2011-07-16, 03:32:53
@all

Guys, don't worry anymore. This is my last post on this subject. Just figure it out yourselves. I now realize it is simply pointless.

...

Wattsup


Best news I've heard for a long long time.  But I am thankful that you're learning to shut up until you can learn something worthwhile.  We'll just have to see how long you can resist that temptation.

cheers
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #734 on: 2011-07-16, 04:22:03 »
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Quote from: giantkiller on 2011-07-16, 02:34:30
'Self inflicted diatribe'.

GK,

I get a real kick outta your way with words!  ;D

I have no idea why you would call it self inflicted but the phrase kills me  :D
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #735 on: 2011-07-16, 08:27:49 »
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@ wattsup


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You are looking at the wrong place to begin with. You are one coil to the left of the rear drive circuit when you should be looking further up.

Not only am I looking at the wrong place, I'm looking at the wrong video!   I should have been looking at video 2.    Thank you for having patience with me.


Ladies and Gentlemen,  I have seen the "light",  wattsup has found something problematic with the wires, too many wires going down below the device in video 2.   wattsup,  we don't even need to look at the back side,  here is a shot from the front.   There are just too many wires going down.



So this is how he possibly faked the videos:  

(I say possibly, because we don't have concrete proof, we are speculating here based on videos)



1)  In video 1, the 12 volt light bulb is powered from the same battery, he just bypasses the input amp meter.  I tried to trace the wires and they disappear under the amp meter.  This is the most likely way to fake such a video.
2) In video 2, the extra wires that disappear under the device (one red and one black, hint hint  ;) ) could very well go through a hole in the table, next to the bolt.  Now I believe wattsup, and it's suspicious because in the whole video, Romero avoids filming back there.
3) Video 3 is nothing for me.  I can do that with a spinning rotor that has lots of inertia.  


Oh well, maybe he faked it just like he said.   I sure fell for it, now I feel stupid.


EM
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #736 on: 2011-07-16, 08:47:25 »
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Quote from: EMdevices on 2011-07-16, 08:27:49

Ladies and Gentlemen,  I have seen the "light",  wattsup has found something problematic with the wires, too many wires going down below the device in video 2.   wattsup,  we don't even need to look at the back side,  here is a shot from the front.   There are just too many wires going down.


EM

It's so obvious that the wires go down below the table, I cannot understand why Chris cannot see this!

I agree with others that MH should be invited back to post on the forum.

Hoppy
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #737 on: 2011-07-16, 11:03:12 »
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I find it perplexing that if he was faking it like some assume ...wouldn't he use fine litz strands?

or put much  more effort into hiding things ?

Why would he try to help people ?
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #738 on: 2011-07-16, 11:28:34 »

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Buy me some coffee
We all need to reach our own conclusions with the evidence provided, it's just not possible to push someone into thinking either way.

The thing i am not very happy about is personal attacks, this so far includes MH & EM, Wattsup and Romero, Cheap and wattsup and a few others, whats the point in this, we are here to experiment and study and to do research and present data in a manner that we can all use and learn from.

Personal attacks will not be tolerated because it gets to the point where the admin need to choose who to ban so we can all carry on work.

If you have reached a point where you feel this project is no longer respresenting a working device and are convinced it is fake then move on, stop disrupting and let the rest carry on experimenting because things can still be learnt from studying the device either way, and as some of us have gone to the expense of building then we might as well study it.

With regard to MH i also feel that we could reinstate his posting status, but i keep asking myself does he really belong on an OU forum, he outright denies any possibility of achieving excess energy which goes against the efforts of why we are here, which is to study devices and try and formulate working principles, if he was more constructive instead of destructive in his manner then he would be welcome, his ramblings early on in this thread were incredibly disruptive and if the device had turned out to be a working device or does turn out to be a working device( I will remain neutral while i am working on it) then he could have done endless damage to our chances of replication and again this goes against the objective of this forum.
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #739 on: 2011-07-16, 12:49:53 »

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
I'm still neutral on this.

We may never know the truth about Romero's dynamo, but indeed the mud slinging won't be tolerated any further.

Chris made a good point about the two extra wires going down and connecting on to a coil. The only problem I have with that, is where is all the excess wire?

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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #740 on: 2011-07-16, 14:23:21 »
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Quote from: Peterae on 2011-07-16, 11:28:34
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With regard to MH i also feel that we could reinstate his posting status, but i keep asking myself does he really belong on an OU forum, he outright denies any possibility of achieving excess energy which goes against the efforts of why we are here
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Being indulgent with the cheats while intolerant with those who expose the cheats on behalf of the truth, goes against our goal of free energy. Being destructive of liars or of psychotic pseudo-inventors is constructive for OU research.
I'm grateful to all of you who point scams, falsifications, misinterpretations or absurdities. You allow me to save time and to not waste in dead ends my efforts for free energy.
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #741 on: 2011-07-16, 15:19:07 »
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Peterae

Are you completely nuts? If that is the reason you banned MH, you might as well ban most everyone else here as well.
Everyone posting here call things the way they see them from a standpoint of their own experience and understanding of the facts and evidence at hand. Most members here believe that electromechanical OU is not a possibility and look for real evidence that shows otherwise.

If you make a claim in this forum you'd better come prepared to defend, both yourself, and your claim.
If you cant stand up to the scrutiny of your own assertations then get out of this forum.
Thats the kind of place this has always been and should always remain,
not place for like-minded candy-assed groupies like you're suggesting.

Whether MH believes in the possibility of achieving excess energy or not, should be totally irrelevant to you.
He was always a voice of reason and most times the only one to provide a dose of reality to a conversation.
He got too personal and carried away ...so what ? A one week ban would have been appropriate in order to
cool off and get back to the facts at hand ..but members like MH are what this forum has always had
to keep people honest.

Six months ago in this forum, the claims of Ainslie circuit were appropriately disproven by attacks which were
far more harsh then anything you can find in these Romero threads. If you've forgotten, go back and read them.
The members of this forum eventually vetted the facts as the rhetoric escalated. The claimant chose to leave this forum
on her own because she was not able to stand up to the scrutiny of these same members you are now talking about,
and she was eventually exposed as a fraud.

This forum never been a 5th grade classroom Peterae, unless thats what you're trying to change it to.

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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #742 on: 2011-07-16, 15:33:04 »
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Quote from: Peterae on 2011-07-16, 11:28:34
if he was more constructive instead of destructive in his manner then he would be welcome, his ramblings early on in this thread were incredibly disruptive and if the device had turned out to be a working device or does turn out to be a working device( I will remain neutral while i am working on it) then he could have done endless damage to our chances of replication and again this goes against the objective of this forum.

There is no "if".  The reason he was critical of the device is precisely because it had no chance of working.  Destructive/constructive is in the eye of the beholder.  Bottom line is he spoke the truth.

ChrisC brought up an interesting 60 Minutes followup on the misnamed "cold fusion" project.  This seems to at least be possible, as fuel is consumed, so the laws of thermodynamics are at least not obviously violated from step 1.  Looking for pure electromechanical OU is like looking for a working gravity wheel.  There are losses everywhere that current flows - you just cannot get ahead that way.  Why is using fuel (even if it is water) or renewable energy so taboo around here?  You guys can dedicate considerable manpower to improving solar or geothermal or wind power generation efficiency by standing on the shoulders of existing technology and improving it.  Instead you spend months chasing down faked claims in youtube videos.
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #743 on: 2011-07-16, 15:44:13 »
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I agree with Peterae's opinion.

Everyone one should be able to voice opinions and state facts as they see them. The only problem I have with that is when those opinions and statements of fact are forced down the throat of others as if the fact givers are the final keepers of all truth.

On many levels I respected and appreciated MH's posts. However, when it gets to the point it is impossible to have a conversation relating to a subject considered outside the norm someone needs to shut up. More often than not, the folks trying to have the conversation had to give up. That is not right.

Anyone having the opinion that all that can be known is already known should leave on their own.

My personal opinion of extra energy from an electromagnetic motor is that the thought is plainly stupid. I don't press that opinion because I don't know everything and pretending to is the ultimate stupidity.


Edit>>

In the wake of my motors being stupid statement I will say that a thorough investigation of this motor is anything but a waste of time. There are many aspects of magnetics not realized or used that have interesting possibilities. This and the Adams motor are a couple of examples.

There is no point in identifying these for anyone. All efforts normally result in insults, post bombing and a host of other useless actions. There have been some great analysis but few seem to lead those directions.

Has anyone considered that the drive coils may not be using the pulse energy directly to drive the motor?
Has anyone considered this generator may not be using induction caused by the rotor magnets passing the coils as the direct source of voltage generation?

  
 
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #744 on: 2011-07-16, 17:04:46 »
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I do not want you to be disappointed because I took this new stance on RomeroUK's dynamo videos.  I can change my position on this in a heart beat, if new evidence arrives.  I have no problem with that.

Also, I'm pressing forward with my experiments on this motor because there is a lot that can be learned from this dynamo.  Romero was not the first to build such a device, and certainly won't be the last.  After all he was duplicating the Muller dynamo.  

One good thing from this whole episode is that it exposed who is really for or against free energy.  (and we probably need to weed out a few more people.)

Folks who are closed minded about new possibilities and arrogant in their time proven stance, and by their own admission are here only to help us understand our devices (with the implication that they are not OU)  are only a hindrance when they continue with long posts and just won't quit pushing their point of view, especially when we all know their point of view quite well because it is THE MAIN STANCE OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.

As a practicing engineer I come to these forums because I find a welcomed diversion from my day to day activities and stress, and there is plenty now in this bad economy, and here I can be stupid and informal if I choose to.  I can talk freely about subjects that would get me ridiculed at work.  Just look what happened to the Professor, he was retired early because he held an unpopular view.    So if we allow these types of people who don't believe in free energy to flood the forum, than this place will become no different than my work place, and so it will no longer be a place that I desire to escape to because it will no longer be a pleasure to be here, and so the result will be that I will move on to another forum.   So it's really about what kind of forum do we want.

EM
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #745 on: 2011-07-16, 17:37:26 »
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Quote from: gridbias on 2011-07-16, 11:03:12
I find it perplexing that if he was faking it like some assume ...wouldn't he use fine litz strands?

or put much  more effort into hiding things ?

Why would he try to help people ?


You would think but apparently not.  In the beginning I thought he could easily hide among all the wires, but I gave him the benefit of doubt.  After all, a video like his with so many wires hanging around should make one feel very nervous, but the claim of OU was so powerful most of us were taken in by it and mesmerized.  

Why would he try and help people?   Good question.  

I think he did not intend for this joke to get such wide circulation, he had his own little forum with another guy or two on there, and he was playing a joke on that guy.   But than all of a sudden he was thrust in front of a lot of people at OU.com and who can resist replicating.   Than he did not know what to do and kept up the act untill he couldn't bear it any longer and it became clear to him how many people had jumped on the band wagon.  If you look at his fake admission he ends it with  "I'm sorry"  

But then Mr. Sterling showed up,  with his idiotic legal questioning, and I think Romerouk started feeling nervous, and than began to backtrack on the "fake" comment, and invented a story of suppression, or he said that to get people to go away because he was getting too many emails and people started to be really bold and even went to his work place.  

A red flag should have gone up when Romero said the device is not for sale, or that nobody can come and see it.   Are you kidding me?  If I had a device like that and some rich guy came offering 10 Million dollars, I would sell it in a heart beat, especially since it was not my original idea but Muller's like he claimed.  

@ RomeroUK,  

don't be afraid of legal action, Mr. Sterling is not the sharpest guy.  Everything we do on these forums is at our own risk.   I'm continuing my build and I want to see you continue to post here.   A good fake once in a while is a good thing to keep us on our toes.   >:-)

EM
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #746 on: 2011-07-16, 18:46:18 »

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Quote from: gridbias on 2011-07-16, 11:03:12
I find it perplexing that if he was faking it like some assume ...wouldn't he use fine litz strands?

or put much  more effort into hiding things ?

Why would he try to help people ?


I have posted this before:
You will notice that some only go so far and then stop. On purpose.
What was it or is it that makes this happen? A finding, a realization, a visit.
Just how does one go about causing a magnetic bubble from resonance and get away with it?
What is the step need to get beyond the standardization of the group think into the isolated dilema?
Things seem to stop after the event publication but before the detail publication.


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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #747 on: 2011-07-16, 18:47:08 »
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EM Devices wrote: -

"A good fake once in a while is a good thing to keep us on our toes."

Agreed, but I don't consider that this was a very clever fake at all. I had grave doubts from the beginning simply looking at the meter readings. The 'x' and 'y' wire revelation was simply the nail in the coffin. I think many of us on this forum could have pulled it off more convincingly. I don't think it matters to some people whether its a fake, as they just enjoy building electrical gadgets and that's fine. However, I'm sure there will also be those that will eventually feel upset and let down at having spent good money once they realise after many hours of tuning, that their replications cannot self-run.

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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #748 on: 2011-07-16, 19:05:52 »

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Well i still have lots to do yet, not really had time after throwing too much in to get it built, but one thing i am still unable to understand is the amount of noise i am seeing on the flat area.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhJkiOqOBw[/youtube] it can be seen in Romero's scope shot when the volts per div is zoomed out the flat area appears thicker than the sloped parts of the pulse.
   
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Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #749 on: 2011-07-16, 19:10:13 »
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Peter,


the noise your seeing is Barkhausen noise with perhaps some EMI.


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