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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #175 on: 2023-10-05, 23:52:39 »
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Nick look up the Don Smith's Dipole Magnetic Generator you  might find it on one of the Above over unity sites
There was also a white paper on an eternal flash light that went into grave detail on how the idea actuly worked
if you can find anything left in history some one went to a lot of trouble destroying JPG files with virus's over the years.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #176 on: 2023-10-06, 05:30:11 »
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About electrostatic induction of one plate of capacitor : the missing piece is how to create "positively charged moving rod" by using TEsla coil or kacher. I propose this is done exactly like is done in nature charging clouds
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #177 on: 2023-10-06, 07:50:17 »
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Quote from: forest on 2023-10-06, 05:30:11
About electrostatic induction of one plate of capacitor : the missing piece is how to create "positively charged moving rod" by using TEsla coil or kacher. I propose this is done exactly like is done in nature charging clouds

There is some truth here, static electricity won’t do anything apart from discharging, same for a static magnetic field (permanent magnets). Not much power in any of them stand alone.
Can we consider earth have an electric potential ? What is this potential’s main characteristic ? Maybe a quick look at first page on some quotes on parametric charge by partzman might be useful for a combination.

All this systems have in their components 1.a diode (in any form), 2.an capacitor (in any form), 3.an oscillator/pulse generator (in any form) and i can observe that your “grenade” coil looks pretty close to “Tesla diode arrangement” where top load is replaced by a third coil but i’m not sure what you want to do with it.

May I suggest to change “grenade” with something else ? Grenade suggest an explosive device and will attract a lot of attention for a generation system supposed to power our houses/vehicles, not destruction.

Later edit: i just find out that partzman thread parametric charging have been moved to most promising FE

It seems that i am not able to find in that thread a quote that catches my attention but I managed to save it and i will post below

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The effects of voltage magnification are particularly useful as they can provide magnification of AC signal voltages using only passive components, i.e. without the need for any external power supply.
In some cases voltage magnification can also be a dangerous property. in high voltage mains (line) operated equipment containing inductance and capacitance, care must be taken during design to ensure that the circuit does not resonate at frequencies too close to that of the mains (line) supply. If that should happen, extremely high reactive voltages could be generated within the equipment, with disastrous consequences for the circuit and/or the user.

This dangerous property has been experienced by Joel Lagace in his latest discovery QEG and one can read on his forum.
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #178 on: 2023-10-06, 11:43:30 »

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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-10-05, 23:52:39
Nick look up the Don Smith's Dipole Magnetic Generator you  might find it on one of the Above over unity sites
There was also a white paper on an eternal flash light that went into grave detail on how the idea actuly worked
if you can find anything left in history some one went to a lot of trouble destroying JPG files with virus's over the years.

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Dear Mr Grey.

I think I may have asked you about this particular Don Smith arrangement before? Are you referring to the version using a Plasma tube as a replacement for the electromagnetic one?

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #179 on: 2023-10-06, 13:28:59 »
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It sounds like your wnting to try out the plasma device he was talking about all those vids and pics he shows them with negativly polarised aloy foil
on the globe but I have seen one with a copper foil on as well as the alloy foil, have you tried that but don't short them out if they start to charge !

I haven't tried it but i have two of them here both different types one has the round globe missing and the other is a tear drop type but the
electronics is fried and they are not interchangable so cant help their.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #180 on: 2023-10-06, 14:23:01 »

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Quote from: forest on 2023-10-06, 05:30:11
About electrostatic induction of one plate of capacitor :
What about the other plate ?

Quote from: forest on 2023-10-06, 05:30:11
how to create "positively charged moving rod"
Without physically moving it, this is the usual way:



In this diagram, there should be an AC generator in place of R.
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #181 on: 2023-10-06, 15:06:13 »

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Of course all such charge separating devices are subject to three zones of operation: Reactive, Fresnel and Radiative.  Creating a disturbance in the former affects the source, in the latter - does not.
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #182 on: 2023-10-06, 15:34:00 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2023-10-06, 11:43:30
Are you referring to the version using a Plasma tube as a replacement for the electromagnetic one?
This one?
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #183 on: 2023-10-06, 15:52:19 »

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #184 on: 2023-10-06, 16:13:54 »

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I prepared my Rg-360 coax inside a copper tube coil.
There is a 50 Ohm 1% induction free resistor inside the copper tape (isolated from this tape by some Scotch self bonding electrical tape).

Doing some pulse tests later tonight.

Below screenshot shows the pulse i will use.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #185 on: 2023-10-06, 18:47:54 »
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Quote from: Grumage on 2023-10-06, 15:52:19
No, this one….
No Ihavent had any thing like that for years and nothing that shape or size, some of that old stuff
is dangerous mercury vapour ect can eradiate a room in verry little time arn't all mod sites use to clear
hangers with them of vermin. have you tried J Berkin Linkon they use to get Ex WD stuff when I was devloping
stuff, all the rest of them have gone some Russky pedlers on the net might be able to help. or not!

think it needs mercury in it like forecent tube with heavey mercury content perhaps RS eprom eraser tube will do to test.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #186 on: 2023-10-06, 19:02:30 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-10-06, 15:34:00
This one?





Or see attachment  :D
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #187 on: 2023-10-06, 20:09:31 »

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Here the result of the 2 probes next to the copper tube coil with coax (tube grounded):



Green is the magnetic field picked up with a H field probe parallel to the side of the coil (50 Ohm scope setting)
Blue is the electric field picked up by a voltage probe with a piece of copper tape laying 2cm in front of the coil

Here the same, now with the tube ungrounded:



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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #188 on: 2023-10-06, 20:43:08 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-10-06, 20:09:31
Here the result of the 2 probes next to the copper tube coil with coax (tube grounded):



Green is the magnetic field picked up with a H field probe parallel to the side of the coil (50 Ohm scope setting)
Blue is the electric field picked up by a voltage probe with a piece of copper tape laying 2cm in front of the coil.
Oh shit, so it is getting out despite the tube being grounded.
Perhaps through the driver's supply.  Can you battery power it ?  ...no, it requires 150V  :(
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #189 on: 2023-10-06, 20:51:16 »

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But i can as i work with a 250V booster module for the HV.

But same results (grounded):



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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #190 on: 2023-10-07, 00:35:43 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-10-06, 20:51:16
But i can as i work with a 250V booster module for the HV.
Neat

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-10-06, 20:51:16
But same results (grounded):
Noooo, this starts to bother me.

So the last test to try is depicted below:
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #191 on: 2023-10-07, 08:41:21 »
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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-10-06, 18:47:54
No Ihavent had any thing like that for years and nothing that shape or size, some of that old stuff
is dangerous mercury vapour ect can eradiate a room in verry little time arn't all mod sites use to clear
hangers with them of vermin. have you tried J Berkett (the straghts) Lincon they use to get Ex WD stuff
when I was devloping stuff, also a tube like that will need some real power to drive it.

https://www.shoplincoln.co.uk/j-birkett

all the rest of them have gone some Russky pedlers on the net might be able to help. or not!
I  think it needs mercury in it like forecent tube with heavey mercury content perhaps RS eprom eraser tube will do to test.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #192 on: 2023-10-07, 09:23:49 »

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Quote from: verpies on 2023-10-07, 00:35:43
Neat
Noooo, this starts to bother me.

So the last test to try is depicted below:

That would be more of a challenge to find a big enough tin box to accommodate the battery and nano-pulser.

I did find out that moving the probes away from the coil and nearer to the nano-pulser the amplitudes decreased, so it looks like the leakage comes from the coil.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #193 on: 2023-10-07, 09:31:44 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-10-07, 09:23:49
That would be more of a challenge to find a big enough tin box to accommodate the battery and nano-pulser.
I know, that why I did not mention it before, but it provides an undebunkable argument that this is real and not a measurement error.
Perhaps you have a large solderable metal foil that can be  wrapped around it. It doesn't have to be a neat box.
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #194 on: 2023-10-07, 11:45:16 »

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Meanwhile, i assembled this setup:



tailored after this:



So what's next?

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #195 on: 2023-10-07, 12:24:40 »

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Quote from: verpies on 2023-10-07, 09:31:44
I know, that why I did not mention it before, but it provides an undebunkable argument that this is real and not a measurement error.
Perhaps you have a large solderable metal foil that can be  wrapped around it. It doesn't have to be a neat box.

Hi Guys.
I’m hoping that I’ve got the right idea of the experiment? Could a high ESR capacitor be used as the voltage source and a Reed switch used to trigger a single pulse? This wouldn’t take up much space at all. The other alternative is to use heavy duty Aluminium kitchen foil to shield the apparatus.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #196 on: 2023-10-07, 12:45:11 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2023-10-07, 12:24:40
Could a high ESR capacitor be used as the voltage source and a Reed switch used to trigger a single pulse?
Rather low ESR cap.
Yes, it would work but only for one pulse and the switch would not be able to generate a kV nanosecond pulse.
This would make measurements only single-shot and problematic.

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Aluminium kitchen foil to shield the apparatus.
Aluminum is hard to solder.  Tin foil would be better.
Even if you wrapped Al foil around the Batt & Gen, a good connection to that copper tube could not be guaranteed ...and that would open a path to debunking.
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #197 on: 2023-10-07, 13:02:28 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-10-07, 11:45:16
Meanwhile, i assembled this setup:
Gulp  :o

So what are the dimensions and material of these soft cores and these magnets ?
Do you have any way to measure the magnetic flux density in the gap where the Al tube is ?
   
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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #198 on: 2023-10-07, 13:49:14 »

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Quote from: verpies on 2023-10-07, 12:45:11
Rather low ESR cap.
Yes, it would work but only for one pulse and the switch would not be able to generate a kV nanosecond pulse.
This would make measurements only single-shot and problematic.
Aluminum is hard to solder.  Tin foil would be better.
Even if you wrapped Al foil around the Batt & Gen, a good connection to that copper tube could not be guaranteed ...and that would open a path to debunking.

Ok, Tin foil is very expensive however Copper foil is quite reasonable from China.

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Re: Grenade coil type systems « Reply #199 on: 2023-10-07, 15:08:37 »
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Soldering to aluminium is very easy when using this flux: https://soldersandfluxes.co.uk/product/tsc-alu-flux-aluminium-flux-150gm/

I have soldered copper wires to aluminium foil no problem, which I did when making homemade capacitors.

Using thick aluminium kitchen foil would be a lot more cost effective than procuring copper / tin foil.
   
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