https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsOvQ4G76SMConversation between Ukrainian guy and Gia
Gia: Hello
Ukrainian guy: Hi
Gia: These two photos, I already have eight pairs of them. So, there are two Georgian words here: Tskeba and Tskhebi. Tskeba means “a row” (Note: they are referring to the “Boot schematics”)
Ukrainian guy: What? What does it mean?
Gia: Row. Or “in a row”, that’s it.
Ukrainian guy: Ah, Tskheba, yes, I see.
Gia: Yes, that's it. There's nothing else here and I'm showing it to Tariel for the eighth time. He says he's never drawn or written this. He doesn't write in Russian at all. He can actually write in Russian and knows Russian well, he would have written what he wanted in Russian, or in Georgian.
Ukrainian guy: So, the thing is, you know, it's just an association. They took a dirty piece of paper. Well, they think, since it's from Georgia, it must be dirty. They drew something on it and started throwing it on the internet. But why would someone do this? That’s the question.
Gia: And the second photo, I don't know who's doing this, it's driving me crazy. My friend Alexander sent me a link to this forum, if you know him, he's also from Ukraine.
Ukrainian guy: Alexander? Can you tell me what his nickname is on the forum?
Gia: I don't know. He said that some Oleg is writing things like... it's impossible, it's a new scam, very illiterate etc and Tariel is very offended by this. Because, he says, it's impossible to light a light bulb without grounding. You can light up one fluorescent light, maybe, by bringing it to the coil, but you can't have 5 kilowatts without grounding.
Ukrainian guy: A fluorescent lamp, it lights up even without grounding. It's just the gas that gets excited in it, and you have light, that's all.
Gia: Yes, but it says here that "in my devices, the grounding was used, which was quickly destroyed due to the process taking place in the soil, around the rod" (Note: as I recall Tesla wrote this somewhere). What was destroyed? Destroy an iron pipe that’s stuck in the ground, can you imagine it? What kind of process can happen in the soil?
Ukrainian guy: Let's just say, it won't rot in a month, and it won't rot in a year - that's for sure. Even if you take the live/phase from the outlet and take neutral from the ground… In any case, it will last at least a couple of years.
Gia: Well, we calculated the lifetime of the spark gap, and probably this spark gap will last for 5 years. It can be replaced afterwards and that's it.
Ukrainian guy: Well, I see.
Gia: Now the electronic version is ready on a spark that will not spark so directly, iron on iron, and it will probably last, they said, 40 times longer, which means 200 years.
Ukrainian guy: What I wanted to ask... so it's already possible to do it without a spark, as I understand it?
Gia: Well, the electronic version didn't spark like it can be seen now. Wouldn’t that be an electronic version?
Ukrainian guy: Well, the last thing I did was on a GU-50 vacuum tube. I hooked it up as a triode. Well everything is lit up inside the lamp, but it works without a spark at least. Well, again, there is no effect as such. Someone said to measure it with those clamp meters. Well, I did that, for example, on my spark gap, let's just say, it showed 500+ amps or something. And did the same on the transformer as well, like they demonstrate it there. Well, if you know the working principle of these clamp meters, then it becomes clear what they're measuring and why it shows such high values.
Gia: Well, yes, they just know how to take that power from the coil, and nothing else is hidden there. I sent you a circuit diagram, and it appears to be the diagram of the green box’s internals.
Ukrainian guy: Well, yes, the internals…
Gia: Yes but if you see, there are numbers written on the parts there and these numbers are usually erased. As parts are bought, if they have a label on them, they all get erased. That means this diagram is also fake. I don't know, someone’s trying to ruin it. Like SR (Note: SpaceReason, the member of an old Russian forum
who gained fame for his OU device demo), a scammer, damn it, who did it with ferrites and dragged everyone along. Why the hell would you use a ferrite? It kills the magnetic field. And if there is a ferrite, you would need so much energy to... I don't know what else he wrote there, “a dead field” I think. I read about the dead field, that sounds funny...
Ukrainian guy: Well, you see, we lost half a year because of SR. Everyone got into ferrites. They hit them, smashed them, and tried everything with them. It was very cool. They made metal cores and much, much more. If you saw on the forum and watched what's happening, what people are posting there, it’s probably only one-tenth of what people are doing. I just know some people in Kyiv and I communicate directly with them and I know what they are doing, I know what I am doing, and I know, for example, what people from other countries are doing. Since we communicate with them via Skype.
Gia: On all the forums I've seen, people mostly just write about it. Out of 100 people, maybe 6 actually do the work and make coils. The rest have probably never even held a wire in their hands.
Ukrainian guy: That's right, that's what happens. But the fact is, I'm talking about those 6-10 people who are actually doing the work. They really, really try their best. Their whole apartment is littered with these coils. And they make them so beautifully, it's like it's all done in a factory, everything turns out very beautifully. And now I'm doing the last of these things, I'm already making it on a stand, so that it's pretty and quite convenient to measure things there. That is, nice visual mock-ups. Those who actually build these things have redone a colossal number of experiments, and now they're practically sitting in despair. These are adults, and you know, some of them are almost in tears. They've been working and working, coming up with their own theories, and building things according to those theories. It seems like it should work, but it's still a zero - nothing.
And those who write all these different theories, they're just armchair theorists who have never soldered or measured anything in their lives. They start writing things that are completely unknown. And then you try to tell them that it's already been tested or done, but they don't listen. They say you didn't do it right, or you missed something. I tell them, "Go build it yourself and then we'll talk."
Gia: They have different theories, but I know the diagram I sent you is a Tesla transformer. They actually
build them, wind the coils – I saw it myself. I don't understand it all, but I saw how they do it. No magnets, no iron pieces. Just a plastic pipe, looks like a sewer pipe, and they wind the coil on it. Ukrainian guy: But I heard he also uses some kind of bifilar coil. Is that another internet hoax? Gia: ... bifilar
Ukrainian guy: What are you saying?
Gia: It's drawn there in the diagram I sent you. There's a primary circuit and a secondary circuit. The secondary is the bifilar coil. I don't really understand it myself. Ukrainian guy: Well, the picture you sent doesn't look like a bifilar coil. It looks like a regular secondary coil...
Gia: Yes, I know. So it's supposed to be a bifilar coil. They make a bifilar and I think it's counter-wound or what is it called? Ukrainian guy: Counter-wound, yes. They say it supposedly catches scalar fields or something. But I've been experimenting with this bifilar coil recently. I've tried it in different ways and at different angles. And I made one classic coil, you know, with a single wire, and then this bifilar one...
Gia: You just need to wind it correctly and use the right cable length. And the cable itself has to be the right kind. It's all done according to a formula. It's not just random. It all depends on what kind of primary coil you have. The primary coil is the exciter. Ukrainian guy: Well, my primary had 6 turns.
Gia: Well, there weren't many turns, 5-6 is a small difference, it just needs to be stretched out, so that it encompasses the entire secondary coil, from beginning to end. Ukrainian guy: So, not when you stretch it out completely into a straight line, but rather when the wound 6 turns are stretched out so that it reaches from one edge to the other.
Gia: Yes, like this. The spacing between the turns should be large. Like you have it, first you wind the bifilar coil, then you wind the primary coil on top of it. And then it should be a quarter of something. I don't know, they say some confusing things, and I don't understand it. Ukrainian guy: I read Tesla's writings once, and he was always calculating 1/4 of something too. I tried to do that 1/4 calculation, but not sure what to calculate it from…
Gia: Of the primary circuit, I think.
Ukrainian guy: So, if you calculate 1/4 of the primary circuit... I checked the primary circuit on an oscilloscope, it resonates somewhere at a frequency of 5 MHz. Then the secondary... although I didn't measure on a bifilar coil, as it turns out, I measured it on the regular one, but the frequency no the secondary is much lower, for example. And how do we match them together? No matter what you do, they don't fit into one-fourth. I'll have to sit down again, of course, and puzzle over it. The only thing I tried was to feed the primary, then feed another transformer from the secondary and take the power off of that. And with the help of ferrites, by inserting them inside, moving them back and forth and fixing at the maximum brightness of the light bulb, I achieved a characteristic there that is, roughly speaking, close to unity of energy transfer from one transformer to another. That's basically it. Anyway, I'll try at my leisure, the
weekend is approaching. But as I already wrote to you...
Gia: There's no philosophy there. No ferrites. I watched SR's video, he has something under it, stators or something else... Something is there. There shouldn't be such a spark. It's not a spark, it's an arc. It doesn’t break. A spark should be 50 hertz, 50 clicks per second. It should break when you pause the frames, should not be continuous.
Ukrainian guy: When do you pause what?
Gia: When I was filming, if you watch any of our films, when they focus on the spark, if you pause the frames, the spark is not visible at all. And when I paused SR's video, there you see an arc, it doesn't break - 25 frames per second and it doesn't break at all. It’s pink in color and it would probably burn out in 10 minutes.
Ukrainian guy: What burns out, the light bulb? Or the spark gap?
Gia: The spark gap itself. Because he says that the ferrite should excite it. There should be a lot of energy going in there to excite the ferrite. I mean to saturate the ferrite, you need a lot of energy. It's like a magnet, it sucks everything into itself.
Ukrainian guy: Yeah but up to a certain consistency, for example.
Gia: Can you imagine how much power you have to put into it to make those 150 watts light up and still have it self-sustaining? Then he has some capacitors there. He probably charged those capacitors, and they weren't switched off. Then he discharged them somehow. And we never connect the two cables together like he did. If we applied the input there, it would cause a short circuit!
Ukrainian guy: Look, I completely replicated what he showed. I have the diagram and the wiring... and so on. We even tried to run an old flyback transformer at minimum power to see how long it would last. It couldn't even make a relay switch, not enough power to do that for even a second. And if the flyback transformer is working, then you also need transistors, an emitter follower, for it to start up and consume power. He claims that only two processes working together can produce this result, but that's nonsense. Nothing works in his setup. The only thing those capacitors can do is close the relay, and his wire is probably connected to something hidden, like under the table. That's it. That's how it "worked" for him. It's all a beautiful fake. Knowing him from before, we used to talk, and he likes to brag. If he had something real, he wouldn't have gone silent so abruptly. He would have posted another video or something. But now, no matter how much I write to him, he just says it's not interesting, it doesn't work, he's given up, etc. The truth is, he has nothing, and why build a more powerful device if it's just another fake?
Gia: He banned me. He banned me from his forum. I wrote that he is a scammer and there is nothing Kapanadze-like there.
Ukrainian guy: Hey, I have a question, I'm just curious. There's this rumor going around on the forums, you know, that oil companies threaten people like us and so on. Is there any truth to that?
Gia: Did you read my angry post there?
Ukrainian guy: What are you saying?
Gia: You probably read my angry post there? I even wrote my mobile phone number there.
Ukrainian guy: No, no, no. I didn't read it. I mean generally... Everyone says that if a person suddenly invents something like this, or something else, then he will immediately have problems with the authorities and oil companies and so on.
Gia: There are a lot of problems, not only with our government. Yes, it's true, but it was written there that they were already killed and turned into sausage meat. Not sure, I can't reply to every forum, I just don't have time. I get 150 emails a day, sometimes even 200.
Ukrainian guy: I can imagine. But look, there's no pressure on you from anyone, right? Or is there?
Gia: There's no direct pressure like that. There's something, but not like people think. They might stop you at customs for an hour and 20 minutes, search for something, search everything and ask questions.
Ukrainian guy: So, there are no threats, like "don't go anywhere, don't tell anyone" etc.? No threats to your family, right? So, our authorities are basically interested in it?
Gia: Hello? The cord came loose.
Ukrainian guy: As you were saying, customs didn't let it through.
Gia: It happens there sometimes. Stuff like meters, things that you carry along, clamp meters etc... When we crossed the border, unnecessary questions arose, they stopped us, searched everything, I don't know what they were looking for, they went all out.
We even had this happen, the president was there. They turned off the entire city's electricity when he arrived, our Prime Minister Zhvania was still alive then too... They turned off the whole city, came with flashlights, with their security, and the President Saakashvili held the device in his hands. Ukrainian guy: So this happened recently? Because I heard that your power station recently broke down and there was no electricity throughout the entire country. Or was it a long time ago?
Gia: No, it was back in 2004 when he saw it. But I don't know, he had no reaction. They told us they earn a lot from electricity. They sell us a kilowatt for 10 cents.
Ukrainian guy: Wow, it's quite expensive for you. It will cost the same for us soon. I see. So, what are your plans in general?
Gia: I don't know, we're currently negotiating with many countries. We want to start mass production soon.
Ukrainian guy: And how much will it cost approximately? It's probably not something you can buy right away, right?
Gia: I don't know, it probably depends on the price of the parts and in which country it will be made. It would not be the same in every country... In our country, it's very difficult to get parts. Some have to be ordered. So it's expensive here. If you assemble it individually, it will be very expensive.
Ukrainian guy: Very much so. Well, it's expensive where you are. But for us, in fact, I've checked In Kyiv specifically and prices are much cheaper than in Russia or Europe. For example, if we compare ferrite pieces, they cost 5 euros each, for instance, while here they're around 60 cents. Yes, that's quite a difference. For example, if I need parts now, I'll just hop on a bus to the radio parts market and buy them. But they have to order them…
Gia: The parts you buy at the radio parts market don't last very long. You've probably seen that green box.
There's a radiator and a cooler in there because it's made with cheap parts. They scraped together pennies to make what they could. They get hot. But I've seen transistors that can withstand 200 degrees and don't require a radiator and cooling.
Ukrainian guy: No, there are some like that. It's clear that there are different types of parts for different purposes. I'm just giving you an example with ferrites, for instance, with the same magnetic permeability, from the same manufacturer, and there's such a difference in price. Plus, I can go and buy them right away, while people order them online because they don't have any electronics markets or stores where they can buy them, and they wait for weeks. And in Russia, for example, you can only buy them in Moscow. In all the other stores, there's nothing. And the prices are also much higher than ours, at least three times more.
Gia: Well, that's for home use. If you're building it for home or just for show, you can probably buy them at the radio parts market but when you're building for mass production, you must give people a warranty…
Ukrainian guy: No, that's understandable.
Gia: and if I buy from the radio parts market, no one will give me a warranty. Warranties are given by companies.
Ukrainian guy: The radio parts market is like… Maybe you don't quite imagine what it looks like. It's not like a place where everything is scattered on the ground, and they sell all sorts of parts. There are also brand-name stores from specific manufacturers, where everything is neatly arranged on a store display. All kinds of electronic components, from the cheapest to the most expensive. You choose what you need and make something out of it. There are specialized stores, some only for microchips, all kinds of them. Others only for capacitors and some only for LEDs. There's a reason for that. The selection is very impressive. You can choose practically any component. Very rarely, you deal with some rare microchips, for example, if one burned out in a mobile phone or somewhere else, you can order it, and it will arrive by the next weekend. But mostly everything is already available, transistors and everything else, from different manufacturers, with different technical characteristics. There's also a specific marking system. Some have certain tolerances, others have different ones, for different purposes. But to get them even cheaper, you have to order from China.
Gia: No, just not China. I'd rather pay $5 more and buy something decent. I bought $15,000 worth of goods from them and had to send it all back. I won't buy anything from them again. They're junk dealers. I understand it's cheap, but the quality is bad. Half of it didn't work at all. And I even had to pay for the return shipping.
Ukrainian guy: Yes, that’s interesting. In principle, China is not all the same. There's the China that mass produces, and there's the China that works under licenses. In any case, there are practically no factories left in Europe, and the same goes for America. They've all moved their production to China.
Gia: Yes, I know, but they have certificates. They check for quality certificates.
Ukrainian guy: Well, yes. Their machines are their own development, plus they meet some “GOST” standard, so the price is different.
Gia: Well, yes, the difference can be even bigger, but the quality is better. It's good quality, so there's a warranty. There's a warranty between me and the parts. They always ask, "How long will it last?" How am I supposed to know? I didn't manufacture these parts. I wind the coil. The coil will last a long time. But as for the parts, I don't know.
Ukrainian guy: And what's the longest you've tested it? How long did it run? Was there such a test?
Gia: Yes. We had it running for months. Then our power company forced us to pay a fine and said we were stealing electricity. The fine wasn't very big, only $300. We said we had turned off the device, there was no light. We turned it on, there was light. We said we were running from the device. They said no - open up the device and we'll look inside. I said, "No way." Then pay the fine! They made us pay the fine.
Ukrainian guy: That's how it is everywhere. If someone uses it, they'll get fined. Though you could cut the wires right up to their power plant so they can't get to you. But they'll still come up with some kind of fine.
Gia: If you release 10 devices and sell 10,000 units, then maybe... But if you sell 100,000 units, maybe you won't get fined anymore.
Ukrainian guy: Maybe. But the thing is, they'll come up with something. Because you can imagine what kind of cash cow you're cutting off for them. They collect small amounts from everyone. I once calculated how much goes into the budget from everything, and if you see what's happening in Ukraine, they constantly complain that there's no money, no budget. Just do some simple math. How many houses are there in a village? Every house in the village pays a minimum, even if you don't use anything, just the house and a piece of land, your own, privatized. You still pay at least 15 hryvnias, which is 2 dollars. And there are millions of such houses, for example. And that's every month. Calculate it, 2 dollars multiplied by millions. That's just the houses, the poorest old people are already bringing in tens of millions a month - every month! And then there's the transportation tax, all the other taxes, electricity, gas, and everything else. It adds up to a colossal amount of money.
Gia: That doesn't go into the budget. It goes into their pockets.
Ukrainian guy: That's exactly the point, it goes into their pockets. And of course, then what's left isn't enough for them. And they'll introduce a law, you know, like, whoever uses such a device still has to pay some symbolic fee. That's it. You'll be independent in the sense that they'll never cut you off, you know. Like in the villages now the winter period will start and villagers will just start howling. Because somewhere snow fell, wires broke, there's no electricity or something else happens. And it's like that constantly in winter. So, for example, here you'll be insured against this phenomenon, but they'll extort some pennies from you, I think, thanks to some kind of law.
Gia: Yeah, the government doesn't have enough… Our government is really bothering us in the country, specifically bothering us. And the Russian government even bothers them abroad - their arms are longer. And in Georgia, paying 10 cents for electricity is very expensive. Because we don't have that kind of economy yet. Then we have 3 hydroelectric power plants on every river and we have about two thousand rivers, I think.
Ukrainian guy: But the thing is, I also don't understand why they are raising the price of electricity for us. We have quite a lot of our own power plants too. And it's enough for current consumption. Like, the rivers are flowing as they always have. Why raise the price? But still, they doubled it and that's it.
Gia: We have floods every year. Not just rivers flowing... Even twice a year. Every summer and every autumn. Flooding just from the rains. So they don't just flow, they flow very strongly.
Ukrainian guy: Well here you go. So, you could say, it's also free electricity. You set it up, the rivers push your turbines, roughly speaking. They turn the blades and that's it. Minimal costs, only for construction. Everything else is free. It's an open system. You get everything from nature. Why raise the price so much? The thing is, if you think about it, since our independence, not a single new power plant has been built. At least, not in our country. So, we got everything for free, from the Soviet times. So the question is, why raise the price if you haven't invested a penny in all of this? I think you understand what I'm saying. And the same thing with these roads…
Gia: We added a hell of a lot more hydroelectric power plants. But they still raise the prices. They built a lot. After the communists, they built even more. And under communism, only Enguri hydroelectric power station was built, it produces 200 MW. It's really big. And our total population is 3 million. I understand, Ukraine is big, like 50 million. Russia is even bigger, 150 million. We have 3 million people in total, and we produce enough electricity to power Russia! They sell it all and put the money in their pockets.
Ukrainian guy: The main thing is that you can't change anything, no matter how much you want to. Actually, I've been thinking about why this is happening. And if you look, these rulers, their roots go back to the Crusades, to those kings and so on. Power hasn't changed hands since the very beginning. They just technically did a castling move. The fathers left, their children or some grandchildren took over. It was all passed down the chain, and now it's come out into the open. There was never any real change of power. If there were such changes, like with the king, it was all a facade for the people. So that the people would think they mattered, that they were participating in something, and so on. Because for a regular person, like you or me, what are the chances of getting there? Maybe if you go to jail twice, then maybe the chances increase.
Gia: Yes.
Ukrainian guy: So who knows. You probably have a ton of people there now after posting Skype. Gia: Yes, another 20 people joined.
Ukrainian guy: Yeah, that's fun. And everyone wants something, right? Everyone wants the schematics and so on.
Gia: Yes, some just ask questions.
Ukrainian guy: Are there any people who have come close? Or are we all crawling in the wrong field?
Gia: Melnichenko came very close, but then for some reason veered off into magnets, I don't know. Some people even wrote that we're buying some kind of patent from him. Sometimes we can't even find money for food, let alone buy a patent! Not sure…
Ukrainian guy: So I talked to Melnichenko once, not too long ago, actually, last month. He said that he met Kapanadze in Ukraine, in Kyiv, by the way, that they were drinking with him and he needed something, that he signed some kind of agreement with you, which he won't talk about right now. That's what he told me.
Gia: We met Melnichenko exactly a week ago. I only sent him an email. Tariel has never seen him and has never spoken to him on the phone.
Ukrainian guy: I can actually look for it, I still have the email, I can show you what he wrote, if you're interested.
Gia: I also shared with you what he wrote to me in an email. I was curious about who he talked to and when. He wrote that he talked to Mevlud Ediseshvili, the scammer and swindler who we haven't been friends with for 4 years.
Ukrainian guy: Here, I'll show you now. I'm curious to refresh my memory.
Gia: I stumbled upon his file on the internet by accident.
Ukrainian guy: Well, his email is melnichenko1968@gmail.com, right? And the phone number is 8 910 430 83 48, Andrei. Now check this, it’s his text (Note: he’s sharing some text with Gia)
Gia (reading aloud): “… with his first major investor… I know about my principle, I discovered it”. Ok, now let me show you his email.
Ukrainian guy: So, he's quite a storyteller, I gather. Here's another one. Well, he seems like a normal guy, why act like that...
Gia: Ok, here it is. I found his email. Here's my question. Here's his answer.
Ukrainian guy: Let me see. “3/09 Tariel Kapanadze writes: Dear Andrey, I'm just getting used to this form of communication with you... And finally… we met in Kyiv”
Yes, but listen, what's the point of him doing this, you know, like performing something like this?
Gia: Well, I don't know. What can I say, I don't know. I wrote to him that if the conversation is about Mevlud Ediselashvili, I can say that stay away from this swindler and one more thing – that I never spoke to you on the phone, so he probably set up this scam himself. Also, nice to meet you – I said. Then he writes back - "I understand, thank you." And then - "What did he do to you that was bad?"
Ukrainian guy: That same guy, Ediselashvili?
Gia: Yes, Mevlud Ediselashvili. He's a real scammer. He took 200 thousand euros from the Turks and left us there as hostages so to speak.
Ukrainian guy: And what happened with the Turks?
Gia: They wanted to steal the schematic.
Ukrainian guy: Look, in that 100 kW device from the Turks, I see one Tesla transformer, which is a classic one, and the second one isn't quite classic. So, it seems that the first Tesla transformer, which is sparking, feeds into the second Tesla transformer, which is, well, let's just say it's also a Tesla transformer. So, are you using it as a replacement for a flyback transformer to achieve a higher voltage? Or are you not aware of this design?
Gia: That shouldn't be there, in my opinion, in the 100-kilowatt one...
Ukrainian guy: What shouldn't be there?
Gia: There shouldn't be a spark there.
Ukrainian guy: You mean the big one?
Gia: In the 100-kilowatt one, there's no spark, I think.
Ukrainian guy: Well... The three-phase 100 kW one that’s all around the internet, it shows a big spark. Gia: And there's an arc rising from bottom to top?
Ukrainian guy: Well, it shoots from the top to the bottom of one coil.
Gia: Oh, no, that's not a spark. I'll tell you what it is. They should be connected by a wire. We cut the wire,
well, because the Turks were messing with us, saying there was no energy there. Then we cut the wire and showed that there was energy flowing. So these wires should be connected. They shouldn't be sparking at each other, ideally. Did I say that correctly?
Ukrainian guy: Well, theoretically, yes. So, it seems that... I still don't quite understand what this is. It looks like some kind of Tesla-like energy transmission using a single wire.
Gia: Well, yes, those coils should be connected by a wire. We cut the wire because they were trying to trick us, claiming that it wasn't working and asking where we were getting the energy from. Then they made us go to some island 50 kilometers from the mainland, in the Mediterranean Sea. On that deserted, uninhabited island, we started it up, and the device ran for four hours.
Ukrainian guy: And they couldn't steal the schematic after all?
Gia: No, they couldn't, that's why they're furious now. They call every day.
Ukrainian guy: I can imagine. If they saw it working with their own eyes and didn't get their hands on it, it's easy to understand their frustration.
Gia: And we lived, you know, somewhere in Izmir, right by the Aegean Sea. Tariel asked them, "There are no islands in the Aegean Sea?" They said, "There are." "Then why are you taking me to the Mediterranean Sea? This already raises suspicion”, Tariel said, “If we don't go, then they'll say we're scammers”. We went
there, made a 10 kWt, three-phase device. Even a notary came. He said, "I'm not a physicist." We even showed him the internals of the device, we opened it up for him. He looked in there to make sure there wasn't a hidden battery.
Ukrainian guy: Interesting, of course.
Gia: Yes, well, they believed it in the end, but...
Ukrainian guy: And what stopped them? They didn't want to buy it or what? What exactly stopped them?
Gia: The agreement was that they had to pay a 100 million and the patent would be theirs, that is, they said it would belong only to them. Well, Tariel agreed, and they didn't pay, so the contract is, so to speak, broken between us. We just need to confirm it in court. And it's written in our contract that we operate under Swiss law. So we have to file a lawsuit in Switzerland. So we'll go there, file a lawsuit, and I don't know how long it will take, a year, or two. That's why we can't touch the electrical version anymore until the trial is over. We're only doing hydromechanical ones now.
Ukrainian guy: Yes, that's a serious setback.
Gia: Well, yes, if we win the lawsuit, then they have to pay us a fine of 20 million euros because they tried to steal from us. That's also written in the contract.
Ukrainian guy: Well, 20 million isn't bad either, you could live the rest of your life without denying yourself anything.
Gia: If they don't pay, we just need to get this bureaucratic... you know…
Ukrainian guy: I understand, finish all these documentary processes. Look, you mentioned hydro, it’s like hydro-dynamic, right?
Gia: Yes, it's on YouTube.
Ukrainian guy: It's that big thing like a compressor, and so on, right?
Gia: The 25-kilowatt one.
Ukrainian guy: And is the principle the same as the original one, or is it different? Gia: It's a little different, but it's based on a Tesla principle that spins a 25-kilowatt generator.
Ukrainian guy: Right. So, theoretically, the hydraulic version is bigger. Oh, and another question: Your patent is international, right?
Gia: No, only Turkish. We suspended the international one.
Ukrainian guy: And how much did the international one cost, if it's not a secret?
Gia: It's not a patent there, it's... we're not patenting the device itself right now, we're patenting the know how. The device contains all that stuff from Tesla, like coils and everything. What we're patenting is the know-how of how it works.
Ukrainian guy: No, I understand. I mean whether it's expensive in general or not. I'm just curious to know. Gia: Not really, in my opinion, it's not very expensive.
Ukrainian guy: I also have a couple of ideas that I'd like to patent. Okay, I won't distract you anymore, because there are probably people knocking and knocking, also wanting to get some answers. So anyway, thank you, at least I got some answers to my questions. Say hello to Kapanadze. I don't know what to tell him, but if a person could...
Gia: Everything is based on the schematic I sent you.
Ukrainian guy: Well, I can tell you, the schematic is, so to speak, ordinary, classic, but as I already wrote, if a person was able to figure something out in it and make it work like this, then I'm speechless...
Gia: Yes, yes, this is not classical physics, and there's no need to look at it through the lens of classical physics, it's not the same thing at all. They've already made me a physicist, but I'm a programmer by profession (laughs), because I've answered so many questions that...
Ukrainian guy: ...You've started to figure it out yourself, I see...
Gia: Tariel will probably come online this evening, after 7 pm our time, and the admin said he wants to talk to him.
Ukrainian guy: I understand. Okay, what time is it for you now?
Gia: It's 10 minutes past four for us.
Ukrainian guy: Ah, so it's an hour difference. So, will you ever do a conference call? Gia: Well, I don't know, it's possible, I guess. If not everyone asks questions at the same time.
Ukrainian guy: Of course, one by one. The thing is, I think everyone is probably asking the same questions over and over, and to avoid that, you could organize a conference call. One person, for example, the admin,
would ask the questions, and we would listen. And then there would be far fewer questions, for example. At least they wouldn't be asking the same questions repeatedly. Okay, in any case, it was nice to meet you. So if you decide to do a conference call, write to me. If I have any questions, I'll write too.
Gia: I'll also post on the forum now that we'll do a conference call so everyone can hear. Ukrainian guy: Good, good. I'll be waiting. Good luck and all the best. See you later.
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