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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #225 on: 2023-10-06, 07:06:38 »
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Dear sir
Mr Delamorto in your circuit Itsu lists the 3rd or is it the 4th winding as 6 turns but would this be better as a 1/4 wave winding or not and then add your RF inductor on top ?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #226 on: 2023-10-06, 07:47:44 »

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Perhaps I will remove the resonator altogether, leaving only an oscillatory circuit with internal excitation. It's all intuitive... tests
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #227 on: 2023-10-06, 20:20:38 »
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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-10-06, 07:47:44
Perhaps I will remove the resonator altogether, leaving only an oscillatory circuit with internal excitation. It's all intuitive... tests
Yes an interesting post but a complicated wind any idea on recomended wind details ?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #228 on: 2023-10-09, 22:42:22 »

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There is a scientist in Russia, Atsyukovsky, he has ideas for generators similar to Kapanadze, he even has a patent.
But what is interesting is not his method of generating energy, but the use of spark gaps ( 8 and 5 ). One pumps the inductor, the second limits the swing of the circuit. But since the first one can be replaced with a transistor, then according to the general plan, the arrester is a limitation of the circuit buildup. Here is some food for thought.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #229 on: 2023-10-09, 22:46:11 »

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By the way, the patent is very working. With condition - inductor - Tesla flat bifilar.  I have already shown a video where the LC is located on a flat reel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7po1lFs4zBw
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #230 on: 2023-10-09, 23:01:16 »

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Here is another simple experiment with a circuit as a resonator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7irtTC6_E
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #231 on: 2023-10-10, 00:51:06 »

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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-10-09, 22:42:22
There is a scientist in Russia, Atsyukovsky, he has ideas for generators similar to Kapanadze, he even has a patent.
What is the mutual orientation of his coils ?
Are they air coils or cored coils ?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #232 on: 2023-10-10, 08:51:15 »

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Quote from: verpies on 2023-10-10, 00:51:06
What is the mutual orientation of his coils ?
Are they air coils or cored coils ?
Why am I writing all this? I think Kapanadze’s resonator is a LC circuit.
And Atsyukovsky’s patent can be read here https://patenton.ru/patent/RU2261521C2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvjEaoWyJ_s
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #233 on: 2023-10-10, 10:31:08 »

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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-10-10, 08:51:15
Why am I writing all this?
To teach us something ...hopefully.

You wrote a question mark and you received a direct reply from me.
You, however, answered my question with a question not related to clarifying the question.

Also, the schematic in the patent does not elucidate the mutual orientation of the coils nor whether they are air-coils.
The video does not either.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #234 on: 2023-10-10, 10:51:14 »
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If your interested i found all this arcived stuff

Be aware many people have fabricated this device that doesn't
make that it necessarily works !
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #235 on: 2023-10-10, 11:23:47 »

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The circuit of the original flashlight is different. You have options for it, I don’t think they’re working)))


It is necessary to force the protection of the microcircuit to work using the key VT3. This is the principle of working on it.
This is an original principle - no one repeated it....except me)))
Now I can write openly, not like before)))
In defense, care is not constant, but with a low, periodic frequency. This was enough for him to work on his own.
The Akula didn’t know this, so he molded what I told him.... in the end it all descended into a banal fake
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #236 on: 2023-10-10, 11:53:49 »
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This is that very circuit I can't get it to work I made it some years ago now
when it showed the PCB layout the way the pot core is wound could be the problem ant VT3 transistor shorts out the supply when its switched.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #237 on: 2023-10-10, 12:55:25 »

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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-10-10, 11:53:49
This is that very circuit I can't get it to work I made it some years ago now
when it showed the PCB layout the way the pot core is wound could be the problem ant VT3 transistor shorts out the supply when its switched.
It is very difficult to configure the protection to trigger in mc34063. The circuit has a circuit that starts the generator as soon as the voltage exceeds a specified threshold. I already said, don’t worry about it, it’s very difficult to set up. It is much easier to do separate key management. That's what I would like)))
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #238 on: 2023-10-10, 15:13:56 »
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@Delamorto - my opinion is that you're on the right track considering a resonant LC circuit.

A series-parallel resonant LC tank circuit is where I'm heading at the moment.

Here's a rough circuit of what I want to implement:



Falstad circuit link: https://tinyurl.com/ypavyl8r

It doesn't have any form of positive feedback in it yet, and operates entirely on resonance.

In my circuit the first series capacitor is of low capacitance (10% of total capacitance), and the parallel capacitor is higher capacitance (90% of total capacitance). This seems to amplify both voltage and current. If the inductance is larger than capacitance then this results in more amperage, whereas if capacitance is greater than inductance then this results in more voltage. This appears to be the inverse of the normal mode of operation, where capacitors 'convert' voltage to current and inductors 'convert' current to voltage.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #239 on: 2023-10-10, 18:09:00 »
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the output should be where coil is (#8 )? How will you construct the transformer? If you put normal isolation transformer to this place, will it work?
I am asking, because I have problem with other circuit where on oscilloscope it looks nice with normal coil  (like your chart #1 in simulation) but if coil is replaced by transformer, it doesn't work. Do you have any suggestions?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #240 on: 2023-10-10, 18:32:37 »

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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-10-09, 22:42:22
There is a scientist in Russia, Atsyukovsky,
He was. He is pass away. :-[
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #241 on: 2023-10-10, 19:03:35 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-10-10, 15:13:56
A series-parallel resonant LC tank circuit is where I'm heading at the moment.

Here's a rough circuit of what I want to implement:
https://i.ibb.co/xCbL65g/Resonant-amplifier.png
Kapanadze replication

How is that different from the resonant rise of voltage in an LC tank ?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #242 on: 2023-10-10, 20:02:04 »
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Quote from: andyw33 on 2023-10-10, 18:09:00
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the output should be where coil is (#8 )? How will you construct the transformer? If you put normal isolation transformer to this place, will it work?
I am asking, because I have problem with other circuit where on oscilloscope it looks nice with normal coil  (like your chart #1 in simulation) but if coil is replaced by transformer, it doesn't work. Do you have any suggestions?

The coil that I'm planning to use for #8 looks like this:



It's just a single turn of 10mm copper pipe that I've plated with tin.

It will have a number of output coils, wound on Sendust 60u cores, like so:



The Sendust cores should work alright up to 1MHz.





The wires on the output cores are cut to the same length as the single turn primary. I expect some tuning will be required due to the inter-turn capacitance on the output cores.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #243 on: 2023-10-10, 20:21:32 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-10-10, 19:03:35
How is that different from the resonant rise of voltage in an LC tank ?

In a series resonant circuit, the input source voltage remains constant current passes through the input source and the voltage on the cap rises cycle by cycle. The current rises according to Ohm's law, but the input source has to furnish the additional current.

In a parallel resonant circuit, the input current remains constant (to a degree, excluding transients when charging caps initially). A localised circulating current bounces between the cap and coil in the LC tank, but the voltage in the tank remains the same as the input source.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in any of my understanding.

The circuit I posted is different because the voltage and current in the tank rise cycle by cycle, but the input voltage and current remain relatively constant.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #244 on: 2023-10-10, 20:43:56 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-10-10, 20:21:32
In a series resonant circuit, the input source voltage remains constant current passes through the input source and the voltage on the cap rises cycle by cycle. The current rises according to Ohm's law, but the input source has to furnish the additional current.

In a parallel resonant circuit, the input current remains constant (to a degree, excluding transients when charging caps initially). A localised circulating current bounces between the cap and coil in the LC tank, but the voltage in the tank remains the same as the input source.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in any of my understanding.

The circuit I posted is different because the voltage and current in the tank rise cycle by cycle, but the input voltage and current remain relatively constant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7po1lFs4zBw

The parallel resonant circuit in this video simply stands on a coil, it is swayed by a magnetic field, like Atsyukovsky’s in the patent, by transistors. The supply voltage of the transistors is 40 volts, but 20 volts are supplied to the shoulder. The circuit swings both in amplitude and current, the oscilloscope shows this. Growth occurs in resonance.
The scheme from the patent https://patenton.ru/patent/RU2261521C2 is working!

The resonator, also known as an oscillatory circuit, increases the magnetic field at resonance. The boost circuit cannot consume more than what the capacitors on the shoulder provide. I also had to hang the coil in the path of the magnetic field, and not connect the light bulb through grounding)))
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #245 on: 2023-10-10, 20:53:00 »
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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-10-10, 20:43:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7po1lFs4zBw

The parallel resonant circuit in this video simply stands on a coil, it is swayed by a magnetic field, like Atsyukovsky’s in the patent, by transistors. The supply voltage of the transistors is 40 volts, but 20 volts are supplied to the shoulder. The circuit swings both in amplitude and current, the oscilloscope shows this. Growth occurs in resonance.
The scheme from the patent https://patenton.ru/patent/RU2261521C2 is working!

Ah, so the resonant tank circuit is 'wireless', just tuned to the same frequency presumably? This reminds me of what Don Smith said in one of his videos, where he says that it's possible using an educational kit ("Resonant Circuits" No 10 - 416 from The Science Source) to light an incandescent bulb using the wireless secondary coil without drawing anything from the source.

It would be nice to see if / how the luminosity changed when the transformer was moved further away.

I also found this thread titled 'Unlimited Free Energy, Overunity With Solid State LC Resonant Circuit' on Mooker quite interesting.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #246 on: 2023-10-10, 21:05:17 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-10-10, 20:53:00
Ah, so the resonant tank circuit is 'wireless', just tuned to the same frequency presumably? This reminds me of what Don Smith said in one of his videos, where he says that it's possible using an educational kit ("Resonant Circuits" No 10 - 416 from The Science Source) to light an incandescent bulb using the wireless secondary coil without drawing anything from the source.

It would be nice to see if / how the luminosity changed when the transformer was moved further away.

I also found this thread titled 'Unlimited Free Energy, Overunity With Solid State LC Resonant Circuit' on Mooker quite interesting.
The advantage of such a swing of the circuit is that the efficiency of the magnetic field increases in resonance, and consumption in the swing drops! And if you also take electrical energy from the RX circuit to pump up the TX (As in the patent, through a diode)....then perhaps the efficiency will be >1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7irtTC6_E
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #247 on: 2023-10-10, 21:14:58 »
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I looked up the Don Smith quote about the resonance kit.



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It's a pricey book, but well worth it to have everything in one place for reference. I find it's easier to absorb what Don said by reading the video transcripts rather than hearing Don say it on video.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #248 on: 2023-10-10, 21:16:59 »

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 Yes, yes, magnetic resonance! Swinging the circuit through a magnetic field, rather than by applying current pulses directly into the circuit.
Kapanadze says so in the video of the aquarium. It influences an independent coil -  electromagnetic field.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #249 on: 2023-10-10, 21:52:34 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-10-10, 20:21:32
In a parallel resonant circuit, the input current remains constant
This is confusing because "input current" is not constant in time with AC.  Do you mean ?: ...input source current amplitude is constant in time...

Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-10-10, 20:21:32
In a series resonant circuit, the input source voltage remains constant
This is confusing because "input source voltage" is not constant in time.  Do you mean ?: ...input source voltage amplitude is constant in time...
   
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