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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #125 on: 2023-09-24, 22:02:06 »
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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-24, 21:45:11
I have doubts only about one device. The one that was demonstrated to Wesley. Only because Kapanadze himself could not assemble it.



   Are you saying that Tariel was who built that device in the diagram? And all others that he has shown were not his builds, such as his last one that I mentioned? If you have doubts about only one device, why do you denounce all others as fakes. You know that there has been no successfull replications of any of of Tariel's devices. Do you not think that something is wrong?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #126 on: 2023-09-24, 22:07:24 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 22:02:06


   Are you saying that Tariel was who built that device in the diagram? And all others that he has shown were not his builds, such as his last one that I mentioned? If you have doubts about only one device, why do you denounce all others as fakes. You know that there has been no successfull replications of any of of Tariel's devices. Do you not think that something is wrong?

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This means that Tariel successfully defended his principle by using extra boards and the myth of energy from the environment. Also, the sparks in his installations gave everyone the wrong direction. Learn sir....
He also stated that the principle is so simple that if you find out, you will laugh!
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #127 on: 2023-09-24, 22:43:53 »
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   Sorry for all my questions. I am trying to learn. I am of Slavic blood, try me, with your logic.
  What is so different about what you are trying to successfully replicate? Trying to understand you better.
  We have not laughed at his theory. Nor discovered how simple it is, so far, after over 10 years.
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #128 on: 2023-09-25, 07:35:40 »
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Mr Delamorto Thanks for reply and yes all these interruptions are so annoying.
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #129 on: 2023-09-25, 10:11:28 »

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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-24, 21:53:18
There can be no definite exact data on the resonator. I wandered without calculations. This is why I posted a diagram on this forum so that the resonator could be made in its own way (diameter, number of turns, etc.). I need alternative results!
I powered the inverter and high-frequency generator from 12 volts. But no one forbids powering a high-frequency generator from 30 volts and getting more current.
I have already given a drawing of the calculation of the resonator according to the proportion.
The drawing is not mine, I do not understand the symbols. I liked the proportions of the turns. The frequency depends on the load, I took a Chinese PWM with a maximum frequency of 150 kHz


Thanks, i understand for the need for alternative results.

Concerning the drawing of the resonator, when i search Google for such an image (not your modified one in post #124, but the original one in your post #76) i find several sources as can be seen here: https://tinyurl.com/3pvrdsf8

They all seem to point the the "Kapagen Generator", so some research in that direction might be worthwhile.


One thing about your used inverter, this seems to me to be a simple modified sine inverter (so not a pure sine inverter), so why do you say in reply #26 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4510.msg107079#msg107079) this:  "I think it would be more desirable to use a circuit with a modified sine here"?     

It IS a modified sine inverter to my knowledge.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #130 on: 2023-09-25, 11:53:35 »

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When I modulated the circuit, I virtually got this form. It is better suited for swinging of the 2nd version of the circuit oscillatory circuit
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #131 on: 2023-09-25, 12:01:39 »

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Hmmm, on your video's i see more like a square wave (modified sine) modulation, see below picture.

What do you mean by "the 2nd version of the circuit oscillatory circuit"/


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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #132 on: 2023-09-25, 13:09:17 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-25, 12:01:39
Hmmm, on your video's i see more like a square wave (modified sine) modulation, see below picture.

What do you mean by "the 2nd version of the circuit oscillatory circuit"/


Itsu
Yes, because my inverter output is a square wave, not a sine wave....
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #133 on: 2023-09-25, 14:49:08 »
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   Itsu:
   Are you suggesting that this green box schematic is a actually a Kapagen circuit. Not made by Tariel and not a self running circuit?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #134 on: 2023-09-25, 15:00:01 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-25, 14:49:08
   Itsu:
   Are you suggesting that this green box schematic is a actually a Kapagen circuit. Not made by Tariel and not a self running circuit?

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  I do it according to the principle described in the patent. And you, according to any principle that was hung on your ears
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #135 on: 2023-09-25, 15:06:30 »

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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-24, 22:07:24

He also stated that the principle is so simple that if you find out, you will laugh!
No. It was Castaneda Carlos or Don Juan who said “everything is so simple that it is impossible to understand” ;)
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #136 on: 2023-09-25, 15:09:56 »

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Here is an example of a circuit from another Kapanadze patent. Just to understand the technical level of his circuits. Everything is done not on specialized chips, but the old fashioned way....
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #137 on: 2023-09-25, 15:19:24 »
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No. It was Castaneda Carlos or Don Juan who said “everything is so simple that it is impossible to understand” ;)
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  Yes, so simple you laugh. But, no one is laughing...
  It's Carlos Castaneda. But more than likely it was Don Juan who said it.
Great books... still very valuable, but forgotten knowledge. Like these circuits that no one can get to work.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #138 on: 2023-09-25, 15:29:58 »
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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-25, 15:00:01
  I do it according to the principle described in the patent. And you, according to any principle that was hung on your ears

   Really! I don't do this, at all
  So, I ask an important question, and you reply with insults. Verpies asks you a question and you ignore him.
  Sorry, I did not know that Kapagen replications had a patent. Nor OU, nor self running, ever.
  Ok, anyway, I get it. It's all coming clear now.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #139 on: 2023-09-25, 15:33:04 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-25, 10:11:28
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It IS a modified sine inverter to my knowledge.
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Itsu,

A modified sine wave inverter uses stepped rectangular waves to approximate a sine wave.  The simplest modified sine has +/- going rectangular waves separated in time along the zero reference line.  This reduces low order harmonic distortion.  With the simple modified sine waveform described above, the first harmonics that will be produced are the fifth at -13.5dB and the seventh at -16.9dB.

Adding additional steps in the modified sine waveform pushes the first harmonics produced out to even higher harmonics and further reduces their amplitudes as well.  This allows low-order low-pass filters to be used to smooth the output and produce something closer to a pure sine wave.

Delamorto appears to be using a simple square wave inverter.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #140 on: 2023-09-25, 15:39:30 »

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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-25, 13:09:17
Yes, because my inverter output is a square wave, not a sine wave....


Hmmm, we seem to have some misunderstanding here, but never mind for now.
You have a modified sine inverter (square wave)  O0

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #141 on: 2023-09-25, 15:43:08 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-25, 14:49:08
   Itsu:
   Are you suggesting that this green box schematic is a actually a Kapagen circuit. Not made by Tariel and not a self running circuit?

   NickZ


Nick,

no, i am not suggesting that.

All i am saying is that the resonator in Delamorto his circuit seems to be based on the resonator shown in the Kapagen Generator circuit.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #142 on: 2023-09-25, 15:48:45 »

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Quote from: picowatt on 2023-09-25, 15:33:04
Itsu,

A modified sine wave inverter uses stepped rectangular waves to approximate a sine wave.  The simplest modified sine has +/- going rectangular waves separated in time along the zero reference line.  This reduces low order harmonic distortion.  With the simple modified sine waveform described above, the first harmonics that will be produced are the fifth at -13.5dB and the seventh at -16.9dB.

Adding additional steps in the modified sine waveform pushes the first harmonics produced out to even higher harmonics and further reduces their amplitudes as well.  This allows low-order low-pass filters to be used to smooth the output and produce something closer to a pure sine wave.

Delamorto appears to be using a simple square wave inverter.

PW


Hi PW,

thanks for confirming that.

I was thrown off by his picture in his post #130 where he shows a "pure sine wave" modulated signal while on his video's he shows the "modified sine wave" modulated signal.

My 150W modified sine wave inverter produces this kind of output signal while loaded with a 25W bulb:

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #143 on: 2023-09-25, 16:17:18 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-25, 15:48:45

Hi PW,

thanks for confirming that.

I was thrown off by his picture in his post #130 where he shows a "pure sine wave" modulated signal while on his video's he shows the "modified sine wave" modulated signal.

My 150W modified sine wave inverter produces this kind of output signal while loaded with a 25W bulb:

Itsu
We have the same hardware)) Make a resonator!
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #144 on: 2023-09-25, 16:19:48 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-25, 15:29:58
   Really! I don't do this, at all
 
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Then don't bother others!
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #145 on: 2023-09-25, 17:01:18 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-25, 15:19:24

 Like these circuits that no one can get to work.


Yes,that's exactly. :)
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #146 on: 2023-09-25, 17:13:26 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-25, 15:48:45

Hi PW,

thanks for confirming that.

I was thrown off by his picture in his post #130 where he shows a "pure sine wave" modulated signal while on his video's he shows the "modified sine wave" modulated signal.

My 150W modified sine wave inverter produces this kind of output signal while loaded with a 25W bulb:

Itsu

The waveform you posted of your inverter output is not what is produced from a modified sine wave inverter.  Your posted waveform is what is output from a square wave inverter.  If your inverter is labeled as a modified sine inverter, they are not stating the truth. 

As I previously stated, the simplest modified sine uses +/- going rectangular waves (not square) separated by time at the zero ref line.  That is the simplest and lowest cost waveform produced from low cost modified sine inverters.  Higher quality/cost modified sine inverters use additional rectangular steps to better approximate a sine wave which eliminates additional low order harmonics.  A simple LC low-pass at the output can then be used to eliminate the higher order harmonics and produce a relatively pure sine wave.

Some newer modified sine wave inverters use PWM to approximate the sine wave and after passing that through a low order low-pass produce a fairly pure sine wave.

PW

 
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #147 on: 2023-09-25, 17:35:50 »

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Quote from: picowatt on 2023-09-25, 17:13:26
The waveform you posted of your inverter output is not what is produced from a modified sine wave inverter.  Your posted waveform is what is output from a square wave inverter.  If your inverter is labeled as a modified sine inverter, they are not stating the truth. 

As I previously stated, the simplest modified sine uses +/- going rectangular waves (not square) separated by time at the zero ref line.  That is the simplest and lowest cost waveform produced from low cost modified sine inverters.  Higher quality/cost modified sine inverters use additional rectangular steps to better approximate a sine wave which eliminates additional low order harmonics.  A simple LC low-pass at the output can then be used to eliminate the higher order harmonics and produce a relatively pure sine wave.

Some newer modified sine wave inverters use PWM to approximate the sine wave and after passing that through a low order low-pass produce a fairly pure sine wave.

PW
Yes . A capacitance at the transformer output of 1-2 mF will make the shape softer. But for a scheme with 1 post this is not required. A square wave will also work.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #148 on: 2023-09-25, 17:48:04 »
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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-25, 17:35:50
Yes . A capacitance at the transformer output of 1-2 mF will make the shape softer. But for a scheme with 1 post this is not required. A square wave will also work.
A square wave works better actually
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #149 on: 2023-09-25, 18:53:56 »
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Quote from: DELAMORTO on 2023-09-25, 15:09:56
Here is an example of a circuit from another Kapanadze patent. Just to understand the technical level of his circuits. Everything is done not on specialized chips, but the old fashioned way....


Delamorto,

FYI - the attached zip file contains 109 schematics that, in one form or another, relate to the Kapanzdze device.
Contains lots of ideas and such! There are now likely even more that can be added to the archive.

Just thought I'd share some of the work that has been attempted regarding the subject - FYI...

Regards,

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