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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #400 on: 2024-05-18, 18:13:30 »
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"Shota Kapanadze" may just be a similar surname.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #401 on: 2024-05-19, 03:05:28 »

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Quote from: Aking.21 on 2024-05-18, 03:20:56
If you go onto overunity.com https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze

You can catch up on the history of our interest in this device.

Thanks, I am well aware of that thread on that site. Honestly, in all the years the thread was active, there is a whole lot of nothing. 98% of that thread is people chest pumping or claims of esoteric knowledge.

What got my attention was that Tariel's device is similar to Clemente Figuera's device. Tariel uses the same rhythmic oscillation as Figuera identifies in his patent. Figuera also used a high voltage apparatus, much like Tariel does. Actually, my research indicated Barbosa and Leal also used the same method. Most don't know, but the Barbosa and Leal device was in two pieces, and only the second half, with the meters and thick cable for amp-probing was the one people saw. They also used a high voltage device and rhythmic oscillations of low voltage.

One thing I suspect is that Tariel had no idea of the fundamentals of how his device operated. Maybe he had an idea, but that was about it. What is interesting is that he seemed to abandoned his other devices and focused only on his electrical device. I thought hi other devices had been just as important.

Appreciate the information you shared. have you thought of contacting his son?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #402 on: 2024-05-19, 09:12:29 »
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I wouldn't associate the hydrogen device with the 2004. It simply doesn't even match the size. Unless Kapanadze developed a hydrogen generator and converted it immediately into electricity.
 Would that make sense? yes but is it possible? And why didn't he get the Nobel Prize for it?  :o
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #403 on: 2024-05-20, 09:31:52 »
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Quote from: Jose Antonio on 2024-05-19, 03:05:28
What is interesting is that he seemed to abandoned his other devices and focused only on his electrical device. I thought hi other devices had been just as important.

No, that's not true. Tariel presented more videos of hydraulic generators than electric ones.
And we don’t even know what’s inside the electric generators, especially when in his video about the generator in the aquarium you can hear the sound of a vibration pump.

Kapanadze's latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPy8FuJSkc

Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-05-19, 09:12:29
I wouldn't associate the hydrogen device with the 2004. It simply doesn't even match the size. Unless Kapanadze developed a hydrogen generator and converted it immediately into electricity.
 Would that make sense? yes but is it possible? And why didn't he get the Nobel Prize for it?  :o

Do you see what's the matter...
Hydrogen is almost electricity.
The only thing that matters is in what form and in what place hydrogen appears.
If you've ever tried to charge an old dead battery, you've seen this strange effect. Immediately after voltage is applied to the battery, some relatively high voltage remains on it for a couple of seconds.
Where is it from?

If we create with a voltage pulse at the contacts of an electrolytic cell a high concentration of ions or atoms of hydrogen and oxygen, then this cell at the end of the pulse is quite capable of discharging to an external load.
Of course, in this form there is not too high efficiency, since the production of hydrogen and oxygen ions occurs using energy from the electrical network.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depolarizer
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #404 on: 2024-05-20, 09:54:14 »
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Quote from: sergh on 2024-05-20, 09:31:52

If you've ever tried to charge an old dead battery, you've seen this strange effect. Immediately after voltage is applied to the battery, some relatively high voltage remains on it for a couple of seconds.
Where is it from?


Yes, the voltage increases quickly but the battery power is not then in FE mode.

I admit that I have not checked these dependencies. It is true that after a momentary charging you get the impression that there is more power, but is it due to this amplification effect or is it just that there is still a high current in the battery but there is no longer much V. I think this is the correct explanation.
I doubt that Kapanadze would build a hydrogen reactor that produces electricity in amounts of 5kW or 100kW. You admit that it would be dangerous if hydrogen exploded. And how much hydrogen is needed for 5kW? It seems like not much, but is it really? and what is little?
Kapanadze says his battery is dead and that might be helpful, but then he disconnects the battery so it's not a hydrogen generator.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #405 on: 2024-05-20, 09:56:23 »
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This is a diagram of this generator, apparently drawn by GIA.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #406 on: 2024-05-20, 10:46:47 »
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Quote from: gyula on 2024-05-18, 17:12:50
Regarding the GE and RU patents, here is a direct link to the Georgian GEP20074088B : https://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/media/fulltexts/inventions/4088.pdf but you may already know this.
 
The RU2003107553 was an application, later to be granted as a patent RU2243390C1 https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2243390C1/en?oq=RU2243390 which is mentioned in
the Georgian patent as you also noticed this. It is not known why it was mentioned, maybe there is a rather remote similarity between the two patents
but without the 50 MHz oscillator frequency used in the GE patent.

Just imagine how patents are issued. Those patents that are listed as cited are not necessarily related in any way to the patented device. They are quoted only because the author believes that they are issued for a similar device.
An inventor or even a patent agent found some patents in the database and considered them similar.
But it may also be the other way around: the inventor is personally acquainted with the author of a similar patent and thoroughly knows what device is mentioned in the patent.
Based on the deductive method, one can only assume that the inventor found it necessary to cite another patent for some reason.

Quote from: gyula on 2024-05-18, 17:12:50
Regarding the Turkish patents, TR200700996, it was also granted as WO2008103129 and it is in English.
The other Turkish patent, TR200701076, it was also granted as WO2008103130 and it also in English.


Did you translate Kapanadze's Turkish patents? The texts differ from the texts of international patents, there is something interesting.

I have used several online translators from Turkish to English, but I still can’t explain where “platinum” came from in the translation.

Turkei patent 2007_00996:
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2- istem l’e göre bir bağımsız eneıji cihazı olup, özelliği; başlangıç eneıji kaynağından (15)
elektriği alarak, platine (3) aktaran kondansatörü (2) içermesidir.
3- İstem l’e göre bir bağımsız enerji cihazı olup, özelliği; yüksek frekans jeneratörünün (4)
ihtiyaç duyduğu frekansı aktaran platin (3) içermesidir.

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..platin (3) yüksek frekans jeneratörüne (4) elektrik vermesini sağlar.

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2-It is an independent energy device according to claim 1, and its feature is; from the starting energy source (15)
It contains the capacitor (2) that receives electricity and transfers it to the platinum (3).
 3-It is an independent energy device according to claim 1, and its feature is; of the high frequency generator (4)
It contains platinum (3) that transmits the frequency it needs.

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..The platinum (3) provides electricity to the high frequency generator (4).

in another Patent Kapanadze this device, similar by place to device (3) in turkei patent, named as kapacitor or as "point"

But this is not the only thing that will seem strange.
The patent clearly states that the output of the secondary coil produces energy at a low frequency of 50 or 60 Hz. But it is impossible to obtain a low frequency from a high frequency using filters and regulators. From a high frequency it is possible to obtain a low frequency only if you use some active element.

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This electrical energy created by the second coil converts it to the frequency required for use (220 V) thanks to the second frequency adjuster designed at the coil output.-50 Hz. or 110V-60 Hz) settings. This generated electrical energy is transferred to the desired usage area with the help of output terminals..Thanks to the conversion cables connected to the output terminals, the device feeds itself with the electrical energy it produces. This process takes place 1 minute after the device starts operating.-It happens after 2 seconds. After this process, the time
relay switch designed at the entrance of the device deactivates the initial energy source. After this stage, the device produces electricity independently..

The high frequency generator (4) transfers the high amount of frequency it produces to the first filter (5). The first filter (5) balances the frequency coming from the high frequency generator (4) and transmits it to the first coil (6) in a regular manner. The first coil (6) creates an electromagnetic field around it with the regular high frequency it receives from the first filter (5) and connects it to the second coil.
(10) ensures the transmission. Then, the high frequency passing through the first coil (6) passes to the first frequency adjuster (7) by following the first current cable (A)..The first frequency adjuster (7) balances the high frequency it receives in line with the need and regulates it in a way that does not damage the components at its output.

The high frequency coming out of the first coil (6) enters the second filter ( 8 ) via the second current path ( B )..The second filter ( 8 ) transfers the frequency it received from the first coil (6) to the frequency equalizer (9). The electromagnetic fields formed in the coils (6, 10) are different from each other and the magnetic field of the first coil (6) is higher than the second coil (10).,At this stage, the frequency balancer (9) balances the different electromagnetic fields formed in the first and second coils (6,10)..This balanced high frequency comes out of the second coil (10) and is adjusted to the desired frequency level (the frequency required for use) with the help of the second frequency adjuster (11). The user uses the electrical energy produced in the device with the help of the output (phase) (12) and output (neutral) cable (13).
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #407 on: 2024-05-20, 11:52:09 »
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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-05-20, 09:54:14
Yes, the voltage increases quickly but the battery power is not then in FE mode.
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And how much hydrogen is needed for 5kW? It seems like not much, but is it really? and what is little?
Let’s say hydrogen in Kapanadze’s device is obtained "on-demand", only for 1 short cycle, one half-cycle of 50 Hz, every 10 milliseconds after a 10 millisecond pause.. No gas, only internal release in the form of ions or atoms, and immediate consumption.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #408 on: 2024-05-20, 12:34:10 »
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Quote from: sergh on 2024-05-20, 11:52:09
Let’s say hydrogen in Kapanadze’s device is obtained "on-demand", only for 1 short cycle, one half-cycle of 50 Hz, every 10 milliseconds after a 10 millisecond pause.. No gas, only internal release in the form of ions or atoms, and immediate consumption.

Okay but you still need the right amount of hydrogen for 5kW.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #409 on: 2024-05-20, 12:54:59 »
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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-05-20, 12:34:10
Okay but you still need the right amount of hydrogen for 5kW.
Simple calculation:
In order to constantly produce 5 kilowatts of power, it is necessary to produce 5000 joules of energy every second.
Since the output of the device is alternating current with a frequency of 50 Hz, 50 cycles per second of energy production are used.
In one cycle it is necessary to produce only 5000/50 = 100 Joules.
The energy of the hydrogen oxidation reaction, heat of combustion, is about 140 Megajoules per kilogram. That's 140 kilojoules per gram of hydrogen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_of_combustion

To produce 100 joules we only need to produce 0.0007 grams of hydrogen but 50 times per second for 5000 watts of output. Of course, this is a simplified calculation without analyzing efficiency and others.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #410 on: 2024-05-20, 14:50:59 »
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Simple calculation:
In order to constantly produce 5 kilowatts of power, it is necessary to produce 5000 joules of energy every second.
Since the output of the device is alternating current with a frequency of 50 Hz, 50 cycles per second of energy production are used.
In one cycle it is necessary to produce only 5000/50 = 100 Joules.
The energy of the hydrogen oxidation reaction, heat of combustion, is about 140 Megajoules per kilogram. That's 140 kilojoules per gram of hydrogen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_of_combustion

To produce 100 joules we only need to produce 0.0007 grams of hydrogen but 50 times per second for 5000 watts of output. Of course, this is a simplified calculation without analyzing efficiency and others.

If we are talking about, for example, a hydrogen exchanger, e.g. from a Toyota MIRAI car, as I read:
The exchanger itself weighs approximately 300 kG and delivers up to 90 kW.
This gives 3Kg/1kW, so 5kW = 15kg, stupid calculation.

ok. Do you know Mr. Petros Zografos? Greek.
It shows a device that probably produces hydrogen and immediately turns it into electricity.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Petros+Zografos

50kW generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEulh5rUTQw


The problem is that it only works for him. Several measurement errors were found in his shows, so it is not known what he really shows and what he gets.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #411 on: 2024-05-20, 15:37:08 »
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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-05-20, 09:56:23
This is a diagram of this generator, apparently drawn by GIA.
Below is a picture of what I think a hydraulic generator looks like.
The oil tank and other hydraulic devices are probably housed in a massive base.  The flywheels, partially coated with construction foam, are used like flywheels in a regular car engine. Foam is used to absorb vibrations.
To start the hydrogenerator, an electric generator similar to the one in the video with a tin can and a coil can be used. Kapanadze shows this starter generator in the workshop when the shaft does not rotate, but some of the lights glow from the additional box.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #412 on: 2024-05-20, 19:25:29 »
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Below is a picture of what I think a hydraulic generator looks like.
The oil tank and other hydraulic devices are probably housed in a massive base.  The flywheels, partially coated with construction foam, are used like flywheels in a regular car engine. Foam is used to absorb vibrations.
To start the hydrogenerator, an electric generator similar to the one in the video with a tin can and a coil can be used. Kapanadze shows this starter generator in the workshop when the shaft does not rotate, but some of the lights glow from the additional box.

To be honest, it's rather hard to believe.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #413 on: 2024-05-21, 00:13:49 »

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Below is an excerpt from a post I made on overunity.com in 2012.

In my discussions with Kapanadze I told him that I had seen through his spark gap Tesla ruse. He was not amused. He initially tried to sell us on a hydro-mechanical device. I said it was smoke and mirrors - he was not amused. I think he got to respect my knowledge of his devices after a while. In the 2012 Aquarium 2 video our team were well aware of the spark gap use as a limiter - hence no contradiction from the Kapanadze side when our team figured it out and mentioned it. In fact one of Kapanadze's team even agreed and pointed out the thermal cut out device on the radiator.

One more thing:- Kapanadze is not capable of designing the hydro-mechanical stuff. He employs someone outside his circle to do that. So he is even prepared to pay for his "smoke and mirrors". Again I think the 2004 video is a big clue. It is almost as if he wants to erase it but cannot, so he tries to make us forget about it.
He first discovered the effect in 1996. So he made very little progress until 2004


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Electrostatic induction: Put a 1KW charge on 1 plate of a  capacitor. What does the environment do to the 2nd  plate?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #414 on: 2024-05-21, 02:47:02 »

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Below is an excerpt from a post I made on overunity.com in 2012.

In my discussions with Kapanadze I told him that I had seen through his spark gap Tesla ruse. He was not amused. He initially tried to sell us on a hydro-mechanical device. I said it was smoke and mirrors - he was not amused. I think he got to respect my knowledge of his devices after a while. In the 2012 Aquarium 2 video our team were well aware of the spark gap use as a limiter - hence no contradiction from the Kapanadze side when our team figured it out and mentioned it. In fact one of Kapanadze's team even agreed and pointed out the thermal cut out device on the radiator.

That's interesting. I don't know enough to understand how a spark gap can be used as a limiter. What is it limiting? Current?

I agree with your below statement regarding the 2004 video. All other videos are useless and the 2004 video identifies 90% of the device. In the 2004 video, his HV transformer looks like a small MOT with high voltage diodes mounted next to it.


Quote from: Aking.21 on 2024-05-21, 00:13:49
One more thing:- Kapanadze is not capable of designing the hydro-mechanical stuff. He employs someone outside his circle to do that. So he is even prepared to pay for his "smoke and mirrors". Again I think the 2004 video is a big clue. It is almost as if he wants to erase it but cannot, so he tries to make us forget about it.
He first discovered the effect in 1996. So he made very little progress until 2004

That's disappointing to read. The mechanical devices looked promising.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #415 on: 2024-05-21, 07:28:20 »
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spark gap Tesla ruse.

Again the sacred spark gap...
Kapanadze also used wires, bolts and nuts, perhaps this is the reason for the over-unity?

A car with an internal combustion engine also has spark plugs. Does the car need nothing else to travel?

In order to understand what kind of people and what technology they encountered, it was then necessary before the trip to find a local assistant independent of Kapanadze’s people, preferably with knowledge of local traditions, physics and a native speaker of the Georgian language.
  It was beneficial for Kapanadze to pretend to be a fool so that he would not be asked about the operating principle of his device.

It doesn't mean anything that the device was assembled carelessly and dirty. This doesn't mean it's simple.
Look how primitive the first transistor looked. But it was a breakthrough in future technologies.
https://www.bible-study-online.juliantrubin.com/bigten/transistorexperiments_files/first-transistor.jpg

Wesley knows not Georgian language, but Russian. There is a possibility that he guessed who he was dealing with there. There are all sorts of rumors... maybe he can clarify?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #416 on: 2024-05-21, 07:47:36 »
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What is the difference between 2004; Aquarium 1,2 and others in relation to this device? size and weight.
As he wrote in Kapanadze's patent, it is HF.
If you know what a 2-4kW induction cooker looks like, you know that if you remove the casing, its weight will be <0.5 kg. Everyone probably knows what is there. Not much, true, but it only works because we supply it with electricity.
I want to say that what FE gives is relatively small. As you can see, it fits in a box and is light, so this device certainly works on HF because then elements such as the transformer may be small. Is there any transformer there at all? Probably yes.
An interesting observation is the fact that when we watch this movie, the ampere current measurement stands still for some time and then slowly goes up. What does it mean ? How to explain this?
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #417 on: 2024-05-21, 08:40:42 »
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This is a panel ammeter. Device for industrial use. Vibration-proof, shock-proof, withstands overloads 10 times.
In such devices, a liquid damper is installed so that the ammeter pointer does not break. Therefore, the pointer may move slowly.

In addition, please read the translations of Kapanadze’s Turkish patents, which I posted above. It says about a time relay.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #418 on: 2024-05-21, 09:37:01 »
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Thank you, I didn't know that. This explains this meter behavior.

The timer was discussed by Kapanadze and it is also in the patent.
Unless there's something I don't know.

That's how I read Turkish Patents. I have all the documentation.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #419 on: 2024-05-23, 21:42:49 »

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I'm stuck specifically on bifilar coils, business requires new ideas  :)
There is a clue that may explain how energy is obtained.
So, experiments with a bifilar coil showed one property - this is a constant magnetic field, when the bifilar is exposed to an alternating field.
I remembered where I saw a bifilar and realized that this device creates a unidirectional magnetic field in the resonator - essentially a pump.
Rewatch the video in Turkey with this setup. Look at the design similar to the Tesla transformer. See how an inductor on a resonator is made!
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #420 on: 2024-05-23, 21:49:15 »

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Now compare how a resonator works with a conventional inductor and a bifilar one!
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #421 on: 2024-05-23, 21:52:54 »

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What happens in an ordinary inductor when a capacitor is discharged into it is oscillations back and forth while there is a breakdown. In this case, a variable magnetic field is created. Let's say you put a hose in the tank of your car and want to drain the gasoline. What do you do with the hose? Do you suck and blow into the hose, or just suck?)))   So this is what happens with a simple inductor - you suck and blow into the hose (ground wire). There is no pump effect!
But if the inductor is bifilar and the capacitor is discharged into it, then a unidirectional magnetic field appears in response to electromagnetic oscillations! The result is a pump effect when the thrust goes in one direction!
A high charge voltage also arises around the operating resonator, since it oscillates positively relative to the ground, relative to the second half of the capacitor. Since the ball on top is half the capacity, and the second is the earth!
It turns out that the installation is linear, it creates a draft of charges from the ground into the space surrounding the resonator.

Since the engines are running in the video, the frequency should be low, but what if the resonator rings at a high frequency?
We also see capacitances and coils - I suspect this is a high-pass filter.
In this case, the following scheme emerges for me!
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #422 on: 2024-05-23, 22:10:11 »

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A thrust is created and the space around the resonator is pumped with charges. The thrust of the charges goes linearly, from the ground to the ball. This line has low frequency modulation, which is filtered and applied to the load. I did something similar at the beginning of this topic!
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/650573800b441c1b59a91b7b

Probably it is modulation that motivates the transformers in his devices that we see.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #423 on: 2024-05-23, 22:15:52 »

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There is a bifilar inductor in this video, a red frame, probably with a resonator and a copper tape wound in the middle of it.
To make a bifilar inductor, you need to take copper tape, wrap it with electrical tape or heat shrink, fold it in two and wind it.
   
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #424 on: 2024-05-23, 22:25:07 »

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Experiments will show how a pump with a bifilar inductor and a resonator will turn out.
Perhaps I will be right, then there will be many options for execution)))
   
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