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Classic	Anomalous long lasting batteries. « on: 2023-08-24, 07:47:59 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L This is second experiment that has started and anyone is welcome to try an explanation or replicate. I really think this way of use of batteries can bring a real change. Just imagine if Bagdad batteries where used in this way, for sure this weekend I will start to replicate this setup.

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #1 on: 2023-08-24, 10:34:38 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Also I wonder if anyone wants to try to attach an circuit as shown in the youtube video explaining how it works this https://scitechdaily.com/long-considered-impossible-in-physics-nonlinear-circuit-harvests-clean-power-using-graphene/?expand_article=1&utm_content=cmp-true#google_vignette Before someone trying to patent idea … it might never deplete battery system. Also it might prove if there is electricity generated from thermal non gradient or radiant energy from rf or cosmic radiation

CITFTA	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #2 on: 2023-08-24, 15:24:59 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 782 Believing in something false doesn't make it true.	Quote from: Classic on 2023-08-24, 07:47:59 https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L This is second experiment that has started and anyone is welcome to try an explanation or replicate. I really think this way of use of batteries can bring a real change. Just imagine if Bagdad batteries where used in this way, for sure this weekend I will start to replicate this setup. It is funny watching people think they have reinvented the wheel. There is a very long thread on the Energetic Forum where several of us researched this many years ago. It is a great way to get more run time from your batteries. But they do eventually run down. Look for the thread called "The three battery generating system" or 3BGS. I even posted a circuit there for automatically switching the batteries. Respectfully, Carroll --------------------------- Just because it is on YouTube does not make it real.

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #3 on: 2023-08-24, 16:56:36 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: CITFTA on 2023-08-24, 15:24:59 It is funny watching people think they have reinvented the wheel. There is a very long thread on the Energetic Forum where several of us researched this many years ago. It is a great way to get more run time from your batteries. But they do eventually run down. Look for the thread called "The three battery generating system" or 3BGS. I even posted a circuit there for automatically switching the batteries. Respectfully, Carroll I never said they will run forever. On his previous experiment, he managed to keep the led running for 275 days, which is impossible without series-parallel connections. Although, would be fabulous if we can figure out what keeps the batteries from depleting and being possible to extend (in case of led) usage time hundredths times more. Just imagine what would be for auto industry in first instance. Also small power consumption can be easily replenished without heavy investment in various devices. Anyone have any ideas what to start to investigate ? Chemistry ? Energy gained from another source ? Methods to measure and monitor ? All types of batteries behave in this way for same time frame ? Rewire connections in power banks as we get extra time for same power consumption ? Any explanation for phenomena ?

ryh	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #4 on: 2023-08-25, 02:58:24 »
Newbie Posts: 5	Quote from: Classic on 2023-08-24, 16:56:36 Any explanation for phenomena ? I think it's from the led. Led that receive light can produce electricity. Perhaps not just light but some other electromagnetic waves. The problem is how to separate or use the combined waves into the useful product. Batteries itself is a complex thing. Perhaps the combined waves resulted the faster charging instead of interfere each other. I think the charging of batteries itself is just another form of electrochemical deposition and electrolysis. While the waves interference that we usually see are destructive interference instead of the constructive one. It's just my opinion. edit: just came to mind that perhaps it's better to shunt the signal through batteries first then to ground in signal filtering system. --------------------------- And We made pliable for him iron, and We made flow for him a spring of [liquid] copper 34:10,12

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #5 on: 2023-08-30, 10:38:26 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	LEDs have very interesting behaviour apart from being a 1way valve, they generate electricity as well. Nigel cheese/hands/copper got a theory as well backed up with shown working device. Also I found that simple circuit with caps and diodes can provide exceeding electricity when resistors are added on ground connection and energy will match the load attached. Edit: I mean input from an antenna and ground connection with resistors will match itself load required energy « Last Edit: 2023-08-30, 12:26:30 by Classic »

lfarrand	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #6 on: 2023-08-30, 15:12:50 »
Sr. Member Posts: 271	Quote from: Classic on 2023-08-30, 10:38:26 I found that simple circuit with caps and diodes can provide exceeding electricity Are you able to share the circuit diagram for this? How does it provide power to match the load?

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #7 on: 2023-08-30, 15:37:53 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-08-30, 15:12:50 Are you able to share the circuit diagram for this? How does it provide power to match the load? Try with incandescent bulb or little motor as load connected. Circuit is simple as Jes ascanius did, size diodes and capacitors according to the load. Add resistor to ground connection. Depending on your location you might need to insulate everything if humidity is high and low altitude. Make sure components will have no leakage. Coat with graphene your high polished elevated plate. Also provide a very good ground and make sure everything above the ground is insulated. If not enough power is provided use some Tesla bifilar flat coils with low power zvs on primary. But in most of the cases you don’t need unless you aim for something powerful where zvs needs to match your desired load.

Cadman	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #8 on: 2023-08-30, 15:58:55 »
Full Member Posts: 152	Classic Energy gained from another source. Another thing you might consider is placing a joule thief between the run batteries and the leds. Not the usual joule thief but one configured as a LOPT where the secondary only conducts during the inductive collapse of the primary. Run the current from the run batteries through the primary coil then to the leds. Watch out for the inductive spike in the primary and control it or use it. Take the output from the secondary and run it back to a cap in parallel with the run batteries. Cadman --------------------------- 'Tis better to try and fail than never try at all

Grumage	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #9 on: 2023-08-30, 16:12:58 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Quote from: lfarrand on 2023-08-30, 15:12:50 Are you able to share the circuit diagram for this? How does it provide power to match the load? I’m guessing at this one Lee. https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3962.0 Cheers Grum. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #10 on: 2023-08-30, 17:44:24 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	https://youtu.be/Tpv9-RvwzwA?si=vtBK5V_aqXFZv8GB https://youtu.be/sKVK4rCVy7g?si=dM-BC4Q3-o8CvgAO Have a look

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #11 on: 2023-08-30, 18:14:24 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: Cadman on 2023-08-30, 15:58:55 Classic Energy gained from another source. Another thing you might consider is placing a joule thief between the run batteries and the leds. Not the usual joule thief but one configured as a LOPT where the secondary only conducts during the inductive collapse of the primary. Run the current from the run batteries through the primary coil then to the leds. Watch out for the inductive spike in the primary and control it or use it. Take the output from the secondary and run it back to a cap in parallel with the run batteries. Cadman I really don’t care from where energy come as long as it keep coming and I don’t have to pay for it. Indeed there is many way to collect energy and use. Whatever you can collect and you don’t have to pay for it is just fine. If there isn’t enough you can always use methods to amplify and gain what you need. And the beauty is, that is keep pouring 24/7 so, no need to scale up your power bank for 2-3 days like solar and wind systems. Also, have a look at Wurth Electronic (and not only)… they have a decent range of components for alternative energy … but like everyone else they only develop and sell products designed for little power. Just think, if they can do it for micro scale you can figure to scale up for your needs. Also, if anyone is curious enough can find thousands, THOUSANDS ! of patents on same variation where an aerial is shorted with the ground … and always one of 2 fields supply the required energy for the load. The limit is given by components you choose to use. Always think about safety and add lighting arrestor, also an rcd might be useful Aerials works better if you use golden ratio shape array to reduce the size required for aerial using graphene. But it is quite easy to get useful power from just 12v using bifilar fat coils and zvs like here: https://youtu.be/LRFI0V-2DlA?si=pLIgBo9rHqMBqVvk If you really want to see things going forward in the right direction, just build as many devices as you like and share the knowledge … big boys needs to stop pollution and extortion. I really think that a £200-400 budget can put and end to all energy bills for a household easy. « Last Edit: 2023-08-30, 23:34:27 by Classic »

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #12 on: 2023-08-30, 18:35:20 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Anyway I’m still interested to find out how is possible for rechargeable batteries to last ridiculous long time (275 days) when connected in series-parallel, when they are supposed to die in less than 24 hours. Just imagine your electric vehicle could travel +10 times more with 1 charge, coupled with 4 small hub motors with graphene printed stators in each wheel. I know an old trick used 30-40 years ago when you connect a small load like an LED to a car battery to prevent that battery to go flat in the winter if car is not used for a long time. Old times and old unsealed lead acid batteries (less performant than nowadays).

Paul-R	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #13 on: 2023-08-30, 23:09:22 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	This reminds me of the "Tesla Switch".

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #14 on: 2023-08-30, 23:46:34 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: Paul-R on 2023-08-30, 23:09:22 This reminds me of the "Tesla Switch". Indeed, the man who was so kind to share this setup is calling Tesla Switch this arrangement of series-parallel. Would this make any difference ? Are you suggesting that switching battery time for using same energy for same load is extended ? Is this all the explanation ? Tricking batteries that power the load that they are replenished and somehow the load decide by itself to use less power or eventually making a refund ? $:-\$

CITFTA	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #15 on: 2023-08-31, 02:02:31 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 782 Believing in something false doesn't make it true.	As I have already posted in this thread there were several of us a few years back that did a lot of research on this. There is a thread on the Energetic Forum about a system called the 3 battery generating system. You can learn all about recycling the energy of the batteries to extend the run time for a very long time by recycling the energy back and forth between the batteries. The concept does work. But it works best by having two batteries in series powering a load and the other side of the load going the third battery that is connected backwards so that it is getting charged by the current going through the load. When that battery gets fully charged you swap it with the series battery that has the lowest charge and then continue your run. Something we saw was that the series battery that was connected to the single battery lost charge more slowly than the one connected to the load. We never did figure out why that happened. Look up that old thread and you may learn all you want to know about recycling battery energy. Carroll --------------------------- Just because it is on YouTube does not make it real.

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #16 on: 2023-08-31, 10:34:54 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Citfta, many thanks for info again, I’m already convinced and understood that there is a new phenomenon taking place and it is just a way of connecting batteries. Anyway, the real gain is to figure out why the phenomenon is taking place and what is really happening there

Paul-R	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #17 on: 2023-08-31, 11:22:26 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: Classic on 2023-08-30, 23:46:34 Indeed, the man who was so kind to share this setup is calling Tesla Switch this arrangement of series-parallel. Would this make any difference ? Are you suggesting that switching battery time for using same energy for same load is extended ? Is this all the explanation ? Tricking batteries that power the load that they are replenished and somehow the load decide by itself to use less power or eventually making a refund ? $:-\$ I don't know but there is a lot of replication of effort around and work done on the Tesla Sweitch should have a useful bearing. It is mentioned in Patrick's book: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapter5.pdf - Page 5.

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #18 on: 2023-08-31, 12:04:18 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	It just snapped on my mind reading your answer, that we might have found something, like: we never use in load all power taken out from source … that’s meant load (actually a short) it takes everything what it can from source and what isn’t used for the gain intended is transformed in heat. So, positioning batteries after load we recover power taken unnecessary. What about this ? Can we test this theory ? If true than we need to think every electronic or electrical circuit as being just a short as I already mentioned before in few threads. It might change our perception about many things

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #19 on: 2023-09-08, 01:00:49 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	So, a lot of work has been done … but I can’t see any conclusion

CITFTA	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #20 on: 2023-09-08, 10:06:41 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 782 Believing in something false doesn't make it true.	I don''t know why you say there is no conclusion. The swapping of batteries and using the current from the load to charge another battery DOES work. The only drawback to the system is that is requires a lot of batteries and a fairly sophisticated system for swapping the batteries unless you want to spend a lot of your time checking voltages and doing the swapping by hand. And you will have to eventually recharge the batteries to make up for resistance and heat losses. Respectfully, Carroll --------------------------- Just because it is on YouTube does not make it real.

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #21 on: 2023-09-08, 10:46:00 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: CITFTA on 2023-09-08, 10:06:41 I don''t know why you say there is no conclusion. The swapping of batteries and using the current from the load to charge another battery DOES work. The only drawback to the system is that is requires a lot of batteries and a fairly sophisticated system for swapping the batteries unless you want to spend a lot of your time checking voltages and doing the swapping by hand. And you will have to eventually recharge the batteries to make up for resistance and heat losses. Respectfully, Carroll Many thanks for replying. But we still don’t know what is the phenomenon that makes batteries to last ridiculously long time for same charge … unless we assume that any load powered by batteries takes up all the power it can but having a return path to the batteries will return power unnecessarily taken. How can we test this ?

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #22 on: 2023-09-08, 12:11:14 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Can’t use non rechargeable batteries, I don’t think they will work, but worth to test … need to order some more batteries to make few setups and try each setup with different chemical combinations, I mean 1 set nimh, 1 nicad, 1 lithium. At least to make sure what works … chemistry or else So, we had a test done and we know they work. We need to find out why and how than draw the conclusion. We cannot conclude that they work and leave it alone. Although this is over unity research … or not ? This is mind blowing to see many trying to replicate some devices where they don’t know how they work and lack of knowledge/information … and a simple setup with the cost of few cheap batteries which potentially can change everything can’t be investigated and people just trying to keep the batteries charged attaching even more headaches « Last Edit: 2023-09-08, 13:26:31 by Classic »

CITFTA	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #23 on: 2023-09-08, 14:16:33 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 782 Believing in something false doesn't make it true.	I give up trying to explain this. There is NO unexplained phenomenon going on here. You are just taking advantage of the ability to recycle energy. I and several others spent a couple of years working with this idea. If you insist on believing there is something magical happening then go ahead and spend your time and money and prove it. Carroll --------------------------- Just because it is on YouTube does not make it real.

Classic	Re: Anomalous long lasting batteries. « Reply #24 on: 2023-09-08, 19:10:50 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: CITFTA on 2023-09-08, 14:16:33 I give up trying to explain this. There is NO unexplained phenomenon going on here. You are just taking advantage of the ability to recycle energy. I and several others spent a couple of years working with this idea. If you insist on believing there is something magical happening then go ahead and spend your time and money and prove it. Carroll I didn’t mean to upset anyone and I don’t think there is anything magic … I really think that any shortcircuit (read any electric/electronic device) will draw everything from a power source according to limits of components used, while the device will perform effects according to its properties and geometry of materials. And electrons or any other particles don’t flow anywhere unless a transmutation taking place, they just transmit a signal (call it charge if you wish) according to properties of materials under effect of being connected to a magnetic or electric influence. Just think of power correction factor where we use capacitors before the load and further improve by adding capacitors in series after load. But what will happen if we power a little dc motor and use a cap for power factor correction then connect in series a second battery which will charge first battery that power our little motor … I’m not saying that someone should try to make a return path to the grid, just batteries. Calculate how many mA they can provide and how long can power little motor, connect batteries in series-parallel and swap them before they being drawn to destruction. Check total running time, capacitor and batteries level after 10 cycles. Would be quite easy to find out what we are really paying for the power from grid. And how much energy we use by recycling as you say, just imagine that we can drive an electric vehicle 10 times more with same batteries and same charge, or power everything in a house for 5-10% of what we are being told we used. Or find a little 24/7 “energy source” that can fill your home power bank via Tesla coils where you don’t need to change anything in the house. Just imagine how many devices can flood the market in just 2 weeks that can provide little necessary start up of system when you reduce energy “consumption” from 5kw to 100w.

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