Georgia Shop Technicians Ran Briggs Mower Engine ONLY Water In Carburetor 2008

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Re: Georgia Shop Technicians Ran Briggs Mower Engine ONLY Water In Carburetor 2008 « Reply #100 on: 2025-04-01, 20:46:33 »

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Use for those pesky one use throw away plastic flash cameras.

You can make a pop gun from firing capacitor into salt water in a large plastic syringe. The plunger will shoot out + hit the wall. Electrolysis of water for Hydrogen gas and fire same time. Insert 2 screws close together at the compression end of syringe with water. Keep the whole board. Use battery to run the charger circuit for the capacitor. (Use instead of lighting up a flash lamp.) Man from Philippines did this awhile back.. Another man discharged 500uf capacitor charged from several hundred volts supply, into mower engine spark plug. Salt water was put on end electrodes. When fired as electrolysis, it forms hydrogen gas and fires plug same time. His engine crankshaft turned over one revolution. Bench test was repeated. There are regular electrolytic caps and also whats called photo flash type which are called low ESR. These type discharge faster, less internal heating, and release more energy in one blast.
The Horvath US Patent showed how to run electrolysis cell on capacitor discharges which ended up as 30v + 200 pulse amps to electrodes in electrolyte, at 10khz.. Full schematic and parts list. Car ran on water.

russwr	Re: Georgia Shop Technicians Ran Briggs Mower Engine ONLY Water In Carburetor 2008 « Reply #101 on: 2025-04-04, 00:48:04 »
Full Member Posts: 149	Reference Aug 27, 2008 Waterfuel1978 Forum Briggs Magnetron with triple coils assembly, inductor,- used with standard Ignition coil bench tester. Daveand5 noted the leakage inductance crossover voltage 150v to the low volts side. When wires hooked up, the Briggs 15kv coil gave out an unusual 40kv. Range switch on 50kv. He noted also the plastic tub holder had helped raise up voltage. He suggested increasing the 2nd and third coil size for further change. After reading this paper over considerable amount of time, I recently got the idea of COORELATIONS. I did this years ago with other subjects, and it works. If you do some bench tests and note 4 outcomes, but only mention 2 or 3 to others over long period, the people still have questions. The originator may deem it not significant to talk about. Based on these other COORELATIONS I find that the Georgia people neglected to tell of ignition major voltage change, when firing spark plugs with the new S1R coils assembly. With the S1r coils having reversed source flows of power, there is inherent designed in interference placed on the spark cable-bare wire. This we already know forms longer on time of spark ATDC and mild magnetism at tips of plug. The Georgia techs failed to mention about increased volts firing the spark plugs. They called it boosting the ignition cable by adding more current. Volts + current are 2 different things and by different methods. Inverter output current and magnetic field impressed. (1.) The plastic deli tub holding the S1R electrical wiring acted as a capacitance for aiding the increased voltage of output. We know the general DC power supplies use a filter capacitor after the diodes, that raises up the end volts. (2.) The 2008 bench test indicated an abnormal change of ignition volts going as to 40KV. (3.) Nathren said the earlier 60 turns coil over plug wire test on fender of car engine formed magnetic field that fired spark plug in air with white/blue ball flame blast. Under compression it is stronger. (4.) Nathren said that the Briggs 18HP engine tests with S1r coils gave higher output voltage than the car engine ignition coils. Therefore, because of correlations, it is my contention that it is normal for our S1R windings coils to increase the Magnetron high voltage to a much higher range for firing saltwater solution for successful running a water engine. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

russwr	Re: Georgia Shop Technicians Ran Briggs Mower Engine ONLY Water In Carburetor 2008 « Reply #102 on: 2025-04-04, 16:59:08 »
Full Member Posts: 149	Most people don't take the time to read all messages on subject. They don't like long paragraphs. There were 2 demonstrations back in 2008 regarding mower engine running at idle speed on salt water. The battery supplied amps for start only. The idle RPM dual alternators supplied up to15 amps for conversion circuit. Alternators + ignition self running by 12 +1 magnets and crankshaft rotation. . The Ignition coil on a Briggs engine is called a Magnetron (with SS trigger). The S1R coils assembly does 3 things. Am ample increase in high voltage, extension of timing from TDC to -34 degrees ATDC, and applying mild magnetism to spark plug electrodes. The added Inverter box supplies additional power 120v AC to DC , about 10Amps Peak pulse Amps to spark plug. This circuit was used by the tech people on all the earlier car engines tested . Those used also a special relay per cylinder. The S1R coils replaces the unabtainable obsolete 60 cycles traffic signals control relays. Approx 4A to electromagnet coils over plug wire, and 11 amps to primary side of Inverter, for 15 A Max 12-14v DC from alternators full wave DC. The mower circuit also used an inductor of 1.75millihenry , and extra required spark gap. The plastic housing had room for 1 relay . There was talk about the relay diode joint with high volts entrance point forming Radiant Energy that may have increased conversion efficiency. The Vacuum sealed relay stops loss of RF in ambiant air. The salt water and 120v DC at plug forms hydrogen gas and fires same time. (spark plug electrolysis) There was also water vapor pressure contributing to the piston compression. There are several US Patents on same thing, going way back in time. Low engine power output but usable, as for instance operating an electrical 120v AC power generator. The tech people said a higher HP engine required by ratio to add a generator requiring certain HP. Ohm's laws still in effect.

russwr	Re: Georgia Shop Technicians Ran Briggs Mower Engine ONLY Water In Carburetor 2008 « Reply #103 on: 2025-04-05, 23:27:10 »
Full Member Posts: 149	This message is in regards to the Georgia conversions on the earlier 4,6, 8-cylinder engines used with mineral water. The shop had worked on hundreds of adjustments for years , trying to get it right. They talked about surging, rough engines, and some actual improvement came when it was Nathren (father) who was the only one who noticed about EGR being used on the better running engines. I had made up a list of possibilities of minor changes that I had never submitted to them, possibly they never thought of. Today I wanted to tell you about one of those on the list. The Georgia techs used the same Inverter box on each car with the matching relays per cylinder, to make use of the inductors and diodes. Now,....... There are several types of Inverters 110v AC output. (I prefer the 220v units as diodes bank loses about 10 volts) There is the low frequency 60 cycles as modified corrected sine wave (square waves). The 500W 20khz high frequency open board China Inverters with multiple outputs. The 500-600W 60 cycles pure sine wave circuit Inverter unit. Why this is important is because Inverters also give a specification for Peak, temporary current under 40% duty cycle. Such as 400W to 800W with an associated peak amps pulse current. The cheaper quality Inverters are mostly modified sine wave. What that means is, not quality repeatable same peak current in fast pulses. It is now assumed that the Georgia techs needed to change their input power to Pure Sine Wave , more costly Inverters. It has to do with type of electrical load as resistive, inductive, etc. They had never , over the years finally corrected the engine running problem. Also, source to purchase exact special relays never found. They had been using the Green Inverter box Power On Board 400watts, modified sine wave, 12vDC to 110v AC. I have an array of different Inverter boxes collected over time.