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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #625 on: 2023-09-23, 18:37:44 »
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Itsu,

Thanks for doing that test!  Does not appear to have much significance in and of itself.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #626 on: 2023-09-23, 19:22:09 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-23, 17:40:36
So you mean use a DC current directly into the Grenade coil and measure with the hall sensor inside its former.
Yes, where the aluminum ring/pipe would be.


This diagram has the plastic pipe inside the ring, you have it outside the ring.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #627 on: 2023-09-23, 20:44:36 »

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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-23, 00:20:29
The Al causes a small frequency upshift and amplitude loss.  I actually expected more of these changes.
But that is not bad - it just means that the Al is absorbing RF energy.

Do you have non-conductive ferrite magnets that you can stuff inside ? (the Russians used to call it ferrite kielbasa - sausage, but they did not understand its purpose and only used soft ferrite without the magnets).
The purpose of the magnets is to provide static magnetic field polarization to the Al. The windings can also provide the static magnetic field, too, when they are powered by DC through an RF choke.

What are the OD & ID diameters of this Al pipe, anyway ?
Can you measure or estimate the DC & AC magnetic flux density (B) that the aluminum is subjected to?


I stuffed 10 of these non-conductive ferrite magnets into the aluminum pipe inside the Grenade, but it made no difference in the sweeping signal.
But this is probably due to the way these magnets are stacked together (north, south, north etc.) see picture:




So will try using "the windings to provide the static magnetic field, when powered by DC through an RF choke".



In the mean time i used my hall sensor probe to probe the magnetic field inside the Grenade former (without aluminum pipe inserted) to compare it with the Grenade windings signal shown before:



Yellow the Grenade windings signal (loaded with 390 Ohm lamp) and blue the hall sensor signal.   Sweep from 1kHz to 10MHz.

The strongest signal on the Hall sensor probe is when the hall sensor is at the Grenade hot side (the most layers side).

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #628 on: 2023-09-23, 20:50:54 »

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Here the hall sensor signal compared to the Grenade signal at a 1kHz to 2MHz sweep:
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #629 on: 2023-09-23, 21:06:13 »

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A single non-conductive ferrite magnet is causing the hall sensor probe signal to deviate to plus or minus 1.5V when touching either the north or south pole.

When pushing 10Amp through the Grenade windings via a choke, the hall sensor signal (inside the Grenade) deviates some 10mV plus or minus depending on the direction of the current.

So there seems to be not much of a static magnetic field inside the Grenade

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #630 on: 2023-09-23, 22:47:14 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-23, 21:06:13
A single non-conductive ferrite magnet is causing the hall sensor probe signal to deviate to plus or minus 1.5V when touching either the north or south pole.
When pushing 10Amp through the Grenade windings via a choke, the hall sensor signal (inside the Grenade) deviates some 10mV plus or minus depending on the direction of the current.
So 150x less flux density than at a surface of a ceramic magnet if the probe is linear.
Ceramic magnets typically have a closed circuit Br of 0.23T to 0.38T depending on their grade.  ...and half of that for an open magnetic circuit.

So that gives 0.00076T in the worse case scenario.  ...no wonder they used the ferrite sausage.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #631 on: 2023-09-24, 03:59:00 »
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   As you may know by now, any increase in gain at the output, due to adding ferrite pieces into the grenade former tube will cause an added draw from the input side. So, No free lunch there. Also causing an increase in overheating of the grenade coils, as well as over heating of the push pull Fets, and overheating of the Kacher, also. Which is probably why there is nothing inside of the empty former tubes, shown by our topic inventors.
   Magnets like my magnetite snake eggs can help tune the ferrite yoke for better performance, again at an added draw from the input. But do nothing for the grenade coils.
 
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #632 on: 2023-09-24, 06:17:14 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
As you may know by now, any increase in gain at the output,
Why did you use the word "gain" ?  Gain is a ratio. Ratios require two arguments. One of them is the output amplitude
Did you mean to write: "...any increase at the output..." ?

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
...due to adding ferrite pieces into the grenade former tube will cause an added draw from the input side.
By what mechanism ? Doesn't the ferrite increase the inductance of the coil?

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
So, No free lunch there.
Only when you make the assumption that all energy appearing at the output comes from the input. As is happening now.
If the input energy is used to enable some intermediary gain mechanism, then that assertion is not applicable anymore.

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Also causing an increase in overheating of the grenade coils, as well as over heating of the push pull Fets,
By what mechanism ? Alas, increased inductance causes the current to ramp up slower on pulse-by-pulse basis so the PP FETs are subjected to less current and less i2R heating.

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Which is probably why there is nothing inside of the empty former tubes, shown by our topic inventors.
You cannot see that on the videos. Especially if the core is constructed like this.

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Magnets like my magnetite snake eggs can help tune the ferrite yoke for better performance, again at an added draw from the input.
That makes sense because saturating the yoke ferrite with external magnets lowers the inductance of the windings wound on that ferrite. Less inductance means that the current ramps up faster on pulse-by-pulse basis and the average current increases.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
But do nothing for the grenade coils.
The purpose of the magnets is to polarize the metal ring - not to help the "grenade coils".

 
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #633 on: 2023-09-24, 06:51:53 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-23, 17:22:39
I am researching and analyzing results, as always. I don't own a mode of operation, as yet. But, it is not the same idea as ape just mentioned.
Explain what you don't like about Apecore's proposed operating principle ?
Don't be afraid to punch holes in his logic if you can find any. This is much better than dismissing it without an explanation.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-23, 17:22:39
My suggestion is that this is an interruptor circuit, not an additive type of interaction. Not a this and that equal more output type of system. Not aligning the signals,  but stopping the magnetic current at just the right time and frequency, instead.
Let's assume that interrupting the magnetic flux is possible in some new yet-undiscovered way.
How would stopping the magnetic flux be responsible for generating energy in this device ?

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-23, 17:22:39
Nor do I need nor want anybody to think that these are just Nick's ideas. As they are not.
And what would be wrong with that?
The device's operating principle is undocumented so you are entitled to invent your own ...and verify it experimentally.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #634 on: 2023-09-24, 11:36:55 »
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Verpies,

Do you agree that electrostatic induction can be used in order to generate current and that this can operate w/o interference in magnetic induction?
If you agree, it would be possible to adjust phasing of current versus voltage.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #635 on: 2023-09-24, 11:43:24 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-24, 06:51:53
Explain what you don't like about Apecore's proposed operating principle ?
Don't be afraid to punch holes in his logic if you can find any. This is much better than dismissing it without an explanation.
Let's assume that interrupting the magnetic flux is possible in some new yet-undiscovered way.
How would stopping the magnetic flux be responsible for generating energy in this device ?
And what would be wrong with that?
The device's operating principle is undocumented so you are entitled to invent your own ...and verify it experimentally.

Your approach to use magnetic field in o accelerate is electron flow needs some fundamental adjustments to the where a specific north-south alignment of magnetic field needs to follow along the magnetic wires thickness of the wires need to be reduced… please see reference in cyclotron Arie deGeus, playing the with inductance only won’t hold the water alone imo.

But everything is possible until opposite is proven
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #636 on: 2023-09-24, 11:52:31 »
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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-09-24, 11:36:55
Verpies,

Do you agree that electrostatic induction can be used in order to generate current and that this can operate w/o interference in magnetic induction?
If you agree, it would be possible to adjust phasing of current versus voltage.
If just a phase adjustment is needed it would be easier to use 2 caps in series at beginning of the coil where one of them would have a greater capacity value to achieve different angle  … 2 equal capacitors in series = 180 degrees shift, one plus double = 135 degrees … proved in Arie deGeus few patents Worth to mention that 0.01 capacities would be something that any system would support without any significant difference of operation Also it seems that few twists of wires could do the mimic of caps accordingly with someone from this forum but I haven’t tested yet
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #637 on: 2023-09-24, 12:28:55 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
  Itsu:
   As you may know by now, any increase in gain at the output, due to adding ferrite pieces into the grenade former tube will cause an added draw from the input side. So, No free lunch there. Also causing an increase in overheating of the grenade coils, as well as over heating of the push pull Fets, and overheating of the Kacher, also. Which is probably why there is nothing inside of the empty former tubes, shown by our topic inventors.
   Magnets like my magnetite snake eggs can help tune the ferrite yoke for better performance, again at an added draw from the input. But do nothing for the grenade coils.
 
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Nick,

i know by now as you have referred to these statements earlier.

But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?

Itsu
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #638 on: 2023-09-24, 12:32:58 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-24, 12:28:55

Nick,

i know by now as you have referred to these statements earlier.

But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?

Itsu
Some of them but not all.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #639 on: 2023-09-24, 12:38:47 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-24, 12:28:55

Nick,

i know by now as you have referred to these statements earlier.

But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?

Itsu

Or a fake connection
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #640 on: 2023-09-24, 13:07:43 »

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-09-24, 11:36:55
Do you agree that electrostatic induction can be used in order to generate current
Yes, but that current will be minuscule unless concentrated by a capacitor and drawn periodically.

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...and that this can operate w/o interference in magnetic induction?
I don't exactly understand what you mean by "without interference".
Even current originating from an electrostatic process will induce magnetic field.

Quote from: Apecore on 2023-09-24, 11:36:55
If you agree, it would be possible to adjust phasing of current versus voltage.
I don't know. It would depend on the details of the voltage generator and the current generator.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #641 on: 2023-09-24, 13:14:36 »

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Your approach to use magnetic field in o accelerate is electron flow
I am not an author of this operating principle nor its proponent.

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...needs some fundamental adjustments
I have done some calculations to check its plausibility here because I think it is wrong to dismiss any M.O. off-hand without consideration.

Why do you think this M.O. is related to the Arie deGeus patent ?
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #642 on: 2023-09-24, 13:18:52 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-24, 12:28:55
But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?
Good question.
It comes down to whom you believe and why does he believe that these particular guys were fakers but others were not.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #643 on: 2023-09-24, 13:29:46 »
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« Last Edit: 2023-09-24, 18:23:09 by Apecore »
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #644 on: 2023-09-24, 13:44:52 »

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-09-24, 13:29:46
...in which coil do we see maximum gain if we could manage to charge this cap ( lets assume 150pf) when charged unipolair with 1Mhz 1000Volts?
I am having difficulty visualizing component and field geometries you are describing.  I am not intimately familiar with the morfology of what people call the "grenade" and I think everyine constructs it differently.
Do you mean something like this:




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Please remove your words from my quote box in your previous message.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #645 on: 2023-09-24, 13:49:54 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #646 on: 2023-09-24, 14:16:48 »

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Please draw its crossection like I did.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #647 on: 2023-09-24, 14:30:47 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-24, 13:14:36
I am not an author of this operating principle nor its proponent.
I have done some calculations to check its plausibility here because I think it is wrong to dismiss any M.O. off-hand without consideration.

Why do you think this M.O. is related to the Arie deGeus patent ?

I don’t dismiss anything without proof, don’t get me wrong, but I really don’t thing playing with inductance only will pour any extra energy in any system, unless a system is lacking only inductance adjustment. Also my reference was related to introduction of permanent magnets in system … which in turn would radically transform the whole system into something different where we working with a different component of electric/magnetic/aether compound.

Imo, a sensible approach to any system or method to obtain ou or collecting FE would be first to acknowledge and admit where the gain coming from, even if this is against mainstream science level of acceptance for phenomena that they can’t explain with their stupid and rigid rules which are impinged and imposed with rudeness by obscured interests where bribe and/or military strategic is implied.

Mainly in easy words a simple explanation is that everything in universe is a perpetum mobile and a self balance apply to everything. Our devices will produce a gain as long as we use 2 components out of 3 to create a disturbance with 1 and amplify with second while the 3rd will react promptly to cancel this action bringing all the force necessary. By collecting most of what 3rd component brings we maintain an ongoing unbalance while maintaining the disturbance in an efficient manner with minimal losses which supposedly takes less energy than our gain from 3rd component using a temporary storage medium.

You can find similar explanations of working principle of obtaining extra energy than expenditure in very few and neglected posts of giantkiller (a superb metaphoric story with an old army which we call electrons) and 7redorbs from overunity.com in an elegant and disguised manner. Where my honest admission is that i didn’t reach yet their level being just in front of the gates of the realm observing and admiring.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #648 on: 2023-09-24, 14:40:02 »
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Please draw its crossection like I did.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #649 on: 2023-09-24, 15:00:26 »
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This picture looks very similar with what deGeus call thin wall conductors where many great effects takes places and in some applications he used thin wall copper conductors with max 15 micron silver plating on outside. The way he achieved almost superconductivity where 95% of resistance in copper has eliminated.
   
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