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Author Topic: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications.  (Read 54840 times)

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Hi verpies,  yes, good to see you around.





All,

There is a nice calculator to calculate the many parameters of a Tesla coil secondary / primary / top load:

http://www.classictesla.com/java/javatc/javatc.html

When playing with it using a 37.5m long 0.8mm magnet wire (239 turns) on a 5cm diam. former and a 5 turns / 2.5mm diam. 13cm former primary (with a 690pF cap parallel) it shows the following data:



So we see a self resonance frequency of 3163kHz among many other parameters.
Input data used was:



We can even calculate the effect a top load will have like here where i used a cylinder as our Antenna top load.
I had to adjust the primary parallel capacitor to 2.4nF to get a good match between prim /secondary resonances with these data as result:




We see the resonance frequency has dropped to 1690kHz
Input data used was:





I am amazed by how close those resonance values are to my found resonance frequencies (1734kHz secondary alone, 3243kHz with my antenna connected)
Perhaps a good tool to play around with before building.

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   Verpies:
    Long time no see, nor hear, either. Welcome back.
   Yes, there are many pet pives, but still no pet self runners.
   So, we are still struggling with all this, just the way it was back then...
   You have not missed a thing, in case you were wondering. Or maybe I did.

  So, I'm waiting for these guys to do their numbers, so we can get on with actual building of replications.
  But it seams that no one wants to play, yet, and I don't see how this is going to work out, otherwise. Without an actual device.
  And, it may take another hundred years to verify what Tesla said about the Aether, as well. And to ditch, the battery. I'm in no hurry.

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The moment your Tesla is well tuned that is when the powerful arcing is then directed and drawn inward your grenade. This is when you see little or no arcing anymore at your antenna when touched with your screw driver or metal. There will be beatings( amplitude modulation ) one inside the other but same pattern. "Absorption"

Nice to hear again from old friend Verpies

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« Last Edit: 2023-07-01, 21:21:17 by Maxolous »
   

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Who says there is no fish waves, one the carrier (Push-pull), one the intelligent signal(Tesla). "Amplitude Modulation"

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Previous to this, there will be synchronising of the Push-pull frequency (sub-harmonic) to the high frequency of the standing wave of grenade. To effect this, there have to be LC resonance at that low frequency.
The current circulating in the Inductor is tenths of Amps at this tank circuit "series resonance" or acceptor circuit.

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Here you are 4 standing waves in a tesla coil
   
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   Itsu:
   You know I was thinking, ( I do that at times), what if the 37.5 or 40 meter size grenade, is NOT what we should be tuning the rest of the device to. As that can vary by location, and coherence to the frequency of the surrounding ambient medium. And besides, who says that the grenade needs to be that long? And, why? Seams to me, (thinking again), that we need to verify that size, frequency and numbers, first. Don't you think? Or the rest of it will be as off as when Akula showed his non working device in Germany. Or can we just assume that 37.5 meters is the magic frequency?

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Here you are 4 standing waves in a tesla coil

Tesla coil always produce standing waves, no doubt about that.

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If we can be meticulous about these to achieve these, before long someone might build a working device again and again

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Many persons had achieved 99% of this phenomenal and because they haven't consciously done what they were supposed to do with faith and purpose had missed the whole thing and gone back to square one.

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Tesla coil always produce standing waves, no doubt about that.
This is actually true because antenna builders strive for 1:1 VSWR and TeslaCoil builders strive for ∞ VSWR.
   

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Or can we just assume that 37.5 meters is the magic frequency?
Frequency requirements are usually functions of other parameters.

For example for a Linac:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Linear_accelerator_animation_16frames_1.6sec.gif
Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications.


The optimal frequency for accelerating the charged particles is determined by their mass, charge and electrode spacing and the voltage amplitude between electrodes.

For NMR, the optimal frequency for precessing the nuclei is determined by the nuclei themselves and the surrounding static magnetic field.

It is very likely that the optimal frequency for your idea is determined by many factors, too.  I can't help you to define them because "the ambient" is a very ambigous concept with undefined properties.

BONUS RANT:
Notice that mathematically frequency is the inverse of time,
motion is the ratio of space to time,
energy is the ratio of time to space.
...more here.


   
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  Yes, could be many factors. However, it seams to be that IF the grenade is the base of the rest of the system, there should be an optimal frequency that it should be tuned to. Should be the best most ideal frequency to tune the grenade to, as well as the rest of the system to match. Or not? So, again why 37.meters. No one knows... Assuming of course that it's not NMR, that we are aiming for.
  And is why I ask...
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No one is saying much on how it works except verpies mentioned a tube or wire down the center of the grenade does any one know what that is about and what do you think that does?  And Wesley showed Tesla coils with a wire off them at ¾ any one like to comment on that ?

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Frequency requirements are usually functions of other parameters.

For example for a Linac:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Linear_accelerator_animation_16frames_1.6sec.gif
Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications.


The optimal frequency for accelerating the charged particles is determined by their mass, charge and electrode spacing and the voltage amplitude between electrodes.

For NMR, the optimal frequency for precessing the nuclei is determined by the nuclei themselves and the surrounding static magnetic field.

It is very likely that the optimal frequency for your idea is determined by many factors, too.  I can't help you to define them because "the ambient" is a very ambigous concept with undefined properties.

BONUS RANT:
Notice that mathematically frequency is the inverse of time,
motion is the ratio of space to time,
energy is the ratio of time to space.
...more here.
So more to the point what are the red dots floating down the center ?
   

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So more to the point what are the red dots floating down the center ?
Charged particles.
Can be ions of air, electrons
   
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Charged particles.
Can be ions of air, electrons
Hmm well I wouldn't have thought so in our case! as that's not how it works
since in our circuit electricity is blocked by caps.

Come on you lot help me out here if you want to learn.

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Who says there is no fish waves, one the carrier (Push-pull), one the intelligent signal(Tesla). "Amplitude Modulation"

Maxolous

Max,

could you perhaps show us this "Amplitude Modulation" of the Tesla signal by the carrier (Push-pull) on your scope similar as i did here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105056#msg105056

( Which turned out to be an artifact of the scope here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105074#msg105074 )

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Here is an Alexee Sergey circuit, Nick Z is your device on page 1003 Dally
wired the exact same way ???

And what cables do you have going through it it looks like a knitting needle.

sorry no intention to offend

Sil
« Last Edit: 2023-07-02, 14:20:03 by AlienGrey »
   

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Max,

could you perhaps show us this "Amplitude Modulation" of the Tesla signal by the carrier (Push-pull) on your scope similar as i did here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105056#msg105056

( Which turned out to be an artifact of the scope here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105074#msg105074 )

Thanks,  itsu

Itsu,

I will oblige your request ASAP.
I have one of my Push-pull MOSFETs(IRFP260) burnt this morning. This usually happens if it is not on load. Once fixed, I will show you.

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No one is saying much on how it works except verpies mentioned a tube or wire down the center of the grenade does any one know what that is about and what do you think that does?  And Wesley showed Tesla coils with a wire off them at ¾ any one like to comment on that ?

Sil

The slotted tube, wire, or ferrite toroids down the center of an inductor assembly such as the grenade, forms an asymmetrical transmission line.  What use is this one might say well, things can get interesting under certain conditions.  For example, the attached sim shows the results of an asymmetrical t-line operating at 1/2 wavelength for example.  This is 1/2 wavelength of the t-line parameters not the length of wire.

As can be seen, the rms current in the common of the distributed capacitance shown by IV3 from the t-line inductance is 2x the currents measured at the input and output of the t-line.  Why is this?  Because the polarities of the conventional current flows into the input and output of the t-line are equal at 1/2 wavelength.

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The slotted tube, wire, or ferrite toroids down the center of an inductor assembly such as the grenade, forms an asymmetrical transmission line.  What use is this one might say well, things can get interesting under certain conditions.  For example, the attached sim shows the results of an asymmetrical t-line operating at 1/2 wavelength for example.  This is 1/2 wavelength of the t-line parameters not the length of wire.

As can be seen, the rms current in the common of the distributed capacitance shown by IV3 from the t-line inductance is 2x the currents measured at the input and output of the t-line.  Why is this?  Because the polarities of the conventional current flows into the input and output of the t-line are equal at 1/2 wavelength.

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Pm
Hi PM,

That is very similar to STEAP.

The difference is  the input is a positive pulse and the line resonates at its natural resonant frequency multiplied by the frequency of the pulse.

Advantage of this can be made by mixing 2 distinct frequencies.

Again 2 distinct pulse lines, 2 mosfets and charge chokes, can be mixed across a coil. This gives a distinct positive voltage across the coil (differential voltage).

This post is in ref:to PMs post, and I think it is in line with this thread as a simpler way of doing things.

Regards

Mike


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Itsu,

Here's the carrier (envelope) and the intelligent signal.
   

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And this
   

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The carrier is your LC resonance.
The intelligent is both your high frequency grenade and Tesla sync.
Suffice to say that your grenade is also like Tesla coil..

Maxolous
   
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