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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #225 on: 2023-06-21, 09:27:10 »

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Hi Nick,

well, the problem is that many people have replicated the Ruslan setup in many different ways, but none has succeeded to let it self run.

So that is not the way to go i think.

We need to understand how the different components work and work together and what they are capable of, then need to find the modus operandus.

Only then are we able to put one and one together and build something that should work.

But we need a collective effort to do so IMO.

Itsu
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #226 on: 2023-06-21, 12:40:31 »
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I have changed my thread title so as not to confuse

Itsu can we talk but not on this thread

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #227 on: 2023-06-21, 15:03:35 »
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   Itsu:
   The other issue is that there has been absolutely no advancement, by any one going off on his own like Vidura has done and many many others, as well. So, I highly doubt that that is going to work, either. As it has also not worked after all this time.
If I could, I would go and work with one of the inventors and learn the trade, as for me building up these simple circuits is no problem.
Getting them to actually do some thing is.
 However, I don't know enough to invent something that works on my own,  as I 've already tried most everything that I can think of, so far. So, for me, as I still have a complete system, it seams unproductive to just go off and start over. As I already have hundreds if not thousands of hours behind the wheel with hands on replication and modification. So chasing the unknown does not compute.
I would like to find what is wrong, instead, or if we are just pissing into the wind. I can handle that, or if we find that we have all been lied to.
   I did lose some credibility for Ruslan after he sold a non working unit for $5.000. Seams like money can make people do crazy things.
I also think that it's possible that these devices can cause a bad consequences if not treated properly, like what Tesla has found with death rays, earthquake devices, that can bring building and bridges down to the ground, and dangerous Laser technologies, etc.
Therefore, I am sure that these simple desk top models do work, if built right.
  In the mean time more and more and more nuclear plants are being built. How nice...
  Our main problem is not that no one has a working unit, but, that they are scared to show it, anymore. Like Stalker...Akula, and Ruslan.
There are also several others that built working units, besides, the known guys. Even Adrian Gustav,  just right in his bedroom. And it worked in the field. And it was just like mine.
   So...me thinks, that the chance of inventing a non replication that works, is very very slim. I have not seen that as yet. Not by any of us.
But, I am willing to be surprised. 
 
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #228 on: 2023-06-22, 12:20:36 »

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Apecore pointed me to this patent: US 2010/0059692 in which it is stated that the minimum wavelength a standing wave can occur is at 1/4 wavelength, see this picture in that patent:



 
It supposes to say that even when a coil is in 1/4 wave resonance as our Grenade, it still can have a standing wave with 1 peak (hot end) and 1 null.

So that would mean that in our Grenade we do have and 1/4 wave resonance (like on 2MHz) and 1 standing wave peak.

I know that patents mostly do not show all the details, so we have to be careful, but the fact that we can measure resonance (2MHz at 1/4 wavelength) and we have a hot end and a null end on the Grenade
probably means we have both.




Something else that seems interesting to me, i found in the video from Ruslan:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQJFmmeDMRk

There he shows how to build a Grenade, and he mentions at the end (around 22 minutes) that this Grenade does NOT suppose to be in resonance.
The only thing that should be in resonance is the inductor.

He also showed the dimensions of the antenna which suppose to have 2 fingers wide (4 cm) distance from the Inductor.

So i printed myself a new holder for the antenna coil as can be seen here:



Regards Itsu

   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #229 on: 2023-06-22, 13:19:12 »
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   So, last night was extremely stormy here where I live with non stop lightning and thunder most of the night, pretty scary. And while I could not sleep from 2am on, I was thinking about our dilema. Of replications without replications. I don't know how that is going to work out. So I'll wait and see what you guys come up with, as I have no idea how you'll be testing the standing wave theory in our case without the rest of the device. As neither Itsu nor any one else seems to be too interested in this replication, but want to try something else instead. As it's not a matter of just building one part without the other. I don't see how we can work this out.
So, ok let's say that you find the standing wave at 2MHz, then what? No device to test it on...
  Also, Ruslan says the inductor need to be in resonanse, and not the grenade,  which you are looking for it to be in resonase at 1/4 wave. So, my question is,  the inductor needs to be in resonanse to what?
  Sorry, but none of this ls making much sense to me. As well as my distrust to what Ruslan says. He is the only one needing 2 fingers away from the grenade to the inductor.
  Anyways Itsu thanks for showing us your new antenna set up. Looks great.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #230 on: 2023-06-22, 16:39:37 »

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Nick,

i agree, it does not make sense to me either.

We have Stalker who never showed a self runner, but who makes many videos about all kind of methods to measure resonances, standing waves, constructing Grenades, etc. and we have Ruslan who did show several self runners, but who preaches to not make it too complicated by showing a simple straightforward Grenade, mentions resonance is in the Inductor only (resonance to match the push-pull frequency) and to use a simple (non-interrupted) kacher.

Who / what to follow?

Itsu
 
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #231 on: 2023-06-22, 17:23:35 »
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  As we are testing and changing the devices, trying this or that, so are they, all of them. Which can be deceiving compared to the newer versions and videos that we see lately. Even Kapanadze came out with some pretty elaborate designs, which he could not possibly have have built, himself. So, who did?
   We are trying to compare and use normal and common electronics practices, on free energy devices. The circuits work, although with some overheating, using the shown push pull and Kacher circuits. What does not work is the sync, no, not the kitchen sink
  That is where I'm at, even though now I don't have my 37.5 meter ground line going down into my water well as I had before. I don't want to bore with the details, but it is an important loss for me. I wish it were possible to just connect up to my grid ground, instead. So I have to work on that angle,  also.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #232 on: 2023-06-22, 21:24:41 »

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So i added one of my older kacher secondaries to the Grenade / Inductor / Antenna.

I will do some measurements to see how any kacher signal will be received by the Grenade etc.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #233 on: 2023-06-22, 22:46:19 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-22, 21:24:41
So i added one of my older kacher secondaries to the Grenade / Inductor / Antenna.

I will do some measurements to see how any kacher signal will be received by the Grenade etc.

Itsu






  Itsu: it would be good to add the same type of TC primary coil, as your antenna has. Any thing that looks that good, just has to work.
And also, that the TC secondary coil should also be tuned to the right working frequency, as well, once we know what that frequency is.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #234 on: 2023-06-22, 23:14:56 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-22, 16:39:37
Nick,

i agree, it does not make sense to me either.

We have Stalker who never showed a self runner, but who makes many videos about all kind of methods to measure resonances, standing waves, constructing Grenades, etc. and we have Ruslan who did show several self runners, but who preaches to not make it too complicated by showing a simple straightforward Grenade, mentions resonance is in the Inductor only (resonance to match the push-pull frequency) and to use a simple (non-interrupted) kacher.

Who / what to follow?

Itsu

The one who claims to have a self runner, especially if self-running can be proven.

What did Ruslan mean when he used the term "resonance"?
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #235 on: 2023-06-23, 03:48:35 »
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   Good question.  I assume that Ruslan means that the inductor coil needs to be at its best resonant point, compared to the frequency provided by the push pull circuit. So, capacitors like 2000 volt wima caps 0.47uf are used in series with the yokes 3 turn coil circuit to further tune the inductor to optimum resonance. Yet the same goes for the grenade output coil, as it also uses 2000v 0.15uf wima caps to tune it's output to best resonanse, also. Although Ruslan stated at one point that 10uf caps are used at the grenade output, instead.
So, take your pick...
  I know this is all hard to get a grasp on. And there are more than one version of these devices as well. As each self runner is different, and running at different resonant frequencies, also. That is part of the confusion.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #236 on: 2023-06-26, 09:16:58 »

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I put a 5 turn primary on the Kacher and exited it with a square wave from my FG sweeping a frequency range to detect the several resonances.

1. With the scope probe not connected, but close to the top Kacher secondary (no gizmo or antenna connected), i find a single resonance at 2765kHz (the unloaded kacher secondary only resonance).
2. With the scope probe not connected, but close to the antenna (so gizmo and antenna connected), i find a single resonance at 1420kHz (the unloaded kacher secondary / Antenna resonance).
3. With the scope probe attached to the Grenade ends, i find 2 resonance points at 1334kHz (the now slightly loaded kacher secondary / Antenna resonance) and one at 1782kHz (the loaded (by scope  probe) Grenade resonance).

So there is a hugh difference in resonance frequency with or without the gizmo plus antenna connected (gizmo is the opposing coils on the ferrite rod in between the secondary and antenna)

This all is with the secondary kacher start lead attached to ground (FG ground lead).

To have both resonance matched, i need to either lower the Grenade resonance point, or increase the kacher secondary resonance point.

I will try to increase the kacher resonance first.


Itsu
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #237 on: 2023-06-26, 11:27:52 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-26, 09:16:58
I put a 5 turn primary on the Kacher and exited it with a square wave from my FG sweeping a frequency range to detect the several resonances.

With the scope probe not connected, but close to the antenna, i find a single resonance at 1420kHz (the unloaded kacher secondary / Antenna resonance).
With the scope probe attached to the Grenade ends, i find 2 resonance points at 1334kHz (the now slightly loaded kacher secondary / Antenna resonance) and one at 1782kHz (the loaded (by scope  probe) Grenade resonance).


This is with the secondary kacher start lead attached to ground (FG ground lead).

To have both resonance matched, i need to either lower the Grenade resonance point, or increase the kacher secondary resonance point.

I will try to increase the kacher resonance first.


Itsu any chance you can show any of your grenade output wave forms, it should self oscillate the Chinese one does it beautifully!
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #238 on: 2023-06-26, 11:54:48 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-26, 09:16:58
I put a 5 turn primary on the Kacher and exited it with a square wave from my FG sweeping a frequency range to detect the several resonances.

With the scope probe not connected, but close to the antenna, i find a single resonance at 1420kHz (the unloaded kacher secondary / Antenna resonance).
With the scope probe attached to the Grenade ends, i find 2 resonance points at 1334kHz (the now slightly loaded kacher secondary / Antenna resonance) and one at 1782kHz (the loaded (by scope  probe) Grenade resonance).


This is with the secondary kacher start lead attached to ground (FG ground lead).

To have both resonance matched, i need to either lower the Grenade resonance point, or increase the kacher secondary resonance point.

I will try to increase the kacher resonance first.


Itsu

Itsu,
 What a beautiful setting you have here.
Please, what's are you looking for in the experiment.

Maxolous
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #239 on: 2023-06-26, 13:28:48 »
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Below is a combined translation of two papers by Alexander Abramovich on his theory regarding the Karnaukhov generator.  This may or may not be of any interest but I've seen no mention of his work here.  He claims there is gain in the push-pull circuit along with the grenade thus when combined make for large gains.  Perhaps some insight may be gained from his work.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #240 on: 2023-06-26, 16:47:31 »

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-06-26, 11:54:48
Itsu,
 What a beautiful setting you have here.
Please, what's are you looking for in the experiment.

Maxolous

Thanks Max.

I am looking to match the Grenade self resonance with the Kacher secondary / antenna resonance, preferable around 2MHz.

Itsu
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #241 on: 2023-06-26, 16:49:17 »

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Quote from: partzman on 2023-06-26, 13:28:48
Below is a combined translation of two papers by Alexander Abramovich on his theory regarding the Karnaukhov generator.  This may or may not be of any interest but I've seen no mention of his work here.  He claims there is gain in the push-pull circuit along with the grenade thus when combined make for large gains.  Perhaps some insight may be gained from his work.

Regards,
Pm

Thanks Partzman,

i have seen that paper before, not sure when or when, but i think it deserves to be studied here again.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #242 on: 2023-06-26, 20:02:04 »

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Thanks Max.

I am looking to match the Grenade self resonance with the Kacher secondary / antenna resonance, preferable around 2MHz.

Itsu

This can be achieved in several ways and one of the ways is attached.
Just a quick one , am on the road .

Set up this.

Find the minimum amplitude on scope . That's your resonance frequency at that kacher wire length, you can bring it down to your choice frequency while the grenade is inside your ant.
Bringing it down mean cutting wire length.
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #243 on: 2023-06-26, 20:12:37 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-26, 16:47:31
Thanks Max.

preferable around 2MHz.

Itsu

@2MHZ your wire will be grossly reduced to short coil of not more than 5 inches in length. Especially if using 0.8mm for kacher sec. It will be better to use 1.5mm if you are resonating at that frequency.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #244 on: 2023-06-26, 20:15:42 »

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Thanks Max, 

i will use some shorter secondary coils i already have lying around first.

By the way, i edited my post above with the found resonance points, as i added the resonance frequency of the kacher secondary WITHOUT the gizmo and antenna attached (2765kHz).

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #245 on: 2023-06-26, 20:21:24 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-26, 16:47:31
Thanks Max.

I am looking to match the Grenade self resonance with the Kacher secondary

Itsu

Itsu,
Preferably, match the kacher sec to grenade self resonance.
Maybe we meant the same thing.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #246 on: 2023-06-26, 20:39:15 »

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Thanks Max, 

i will use some shorter secondary coils i already have lying around first.

By the way, i edited my post above with the found resonance points, as i added the resonance frequency of the kacher secondary WITHOUT the gizmo and antenna attached (2765kHz).

Itsu

Okay
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #247 on: 2023-06-26, 20:47:00 »

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Yes Max, we mean the same thing  :)


Anyway, i tried 3 different kacher secondaries, varying between 394uH, 475uH and 685uH, and their self resonance points are varying between 2765, 3000 and 3100kHz, but they all behave similarly when attached to the gizmo plus antenna.

With other words, they all 3 have a self resonance point when attached to the gizmo plus antenna of around 1430kHz with the Grenade still resonating around 1780kHz.

So it seems the gizmo plus antenna has a major influence on the kacher secondary and determines for the most part the resonance frequency of this Kacher secondary.

I therefor think that further adjusting (decreasing the number of turns) the kacher secondary is of little use here.

Itsu
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #248 on: 2023-06-26, 21:01:37 »
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Itsu so your Tesla coil and your grenade are the same frequency, oh but still no magic
after 12 odd years strange isn't it how we see things we think have no meaning
and sweep them under the carpet. Still why change the habit of a life time.

Nothing personal intended and I sincerely wish you and Nick all the best  O0

regards Sil
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #249 on: 2023-06-26, 21:19:08 »

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-06-26, 20:02:04
This can be achieved in several ways and one of the ways is attached.
Just a quick one , am on the road .

Set up this.

Find the minimum amplitude on scope . That's your resonance frequency at that kacher wire length, you can bring it down to your choice frequency while the grenade is inside your ant.
Bringing it down mean cutting wire length.
Regards

Maxolous


Max,

i tried your method and found the resonance points of my 3 secondaries plus gizmo and Antenna (without Grenade / Inductor) to be:

394uH = 1799kHz
475uH = 1698kHz
685uH = 1409kHz

So again, all 3 secondary self resonance points are lowered considerably by adding the gizmo plus antenna.

But when adding the Grenade / Inductor, these resonance frequencies will decrease till the earlier mentioned 1430kHz or so.

Itsu
   
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