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Good day folks thanks for accepting my registration.   O0

I'm Joel Lagace and I been researching free energy for about 20 years. And it feels like I still don't know very much hehe!

I feel very isolated in this hobby and research. I'm located far up north in Timmins Ontario Canada, People up here are into snow sports and fishing. I'm not into any of this stuff. And I don't socialize with the locals very much because of this great "disconnect" in interests and even education level. Being remote and all your just not exposed to everything aka the world.  The reason i'm still here in Timmins is basically because of lack of funds to move and I have a minor physical disability. So with that said. When I do talk about some of the advancements I make. People who are local just make fun of my prototypes and tell me things like "that will never work" even if it is indeed working right in front of them.

It's been so bad that the town is small enough that I got the reputation of that crazy "Free" energy guy. It's not fun at all being made fun like this by a society so that makes me want to prove them all wrong and puts me deeper into the research.

With that said as much as I state I don't know much, Is a half joke. Over the years I did learn some fantastic things and I am indeed ready to share some even unique ideas on here in public and to friends. I'm really hoping that by being on here. I can make some friends and contacts of people who share similar interests and don't mind having conversations to bounce ideas etc.

I been very depressed since the Passing of John Bedini. I always dreamed of being able to make it one day to one of his energy conferences and meet him in person and ask him a loads of questions no one else seems to ask. I ask all the strange and "Stupid" questions no one else wants to ask lol. But that is how I learn. I didn't go to school for electronics as I could not afford it. So I try and self teach myself as much as I can and even with electronics thats traditional electronics, I can't find a local group to associate with. I'm even a Ham Operator with call sign VA3JFL so if any hams on here greetings! The sad part is the only ham club in town I was part of even even Treasurer for a while is no more everyone passed away including my friend the president in the last 4 years. It's like everyone and everything I know has gone in the last few years. Most awful feeling. Anyways,

And then it was Tom Bearden's passing. That really depressed me as well as he was such an inspiration. I even tried to talk to what's his name that Rick guy that worked with Bedini for a while. He has a Youtube channel but he seems more focused on getting the hits and subscriptions vs the sharing of actual good info. I tried contacting him in person. Even explained my situation and where i'm at with my research to sadly get no reply from him. So as far as finding out more info regarding the Bedini systems this guy wanted to give me nothing :(

I'm also just trying to reach out to find some iconic figures I guess still alive today as we are losing them , they go missing etc.. It feels to me like there is not much left in the community who are out there with it.
There was also the Dr who worked with Bedini and he announced his retirement last year and won't help anyone anymore. I feel so late with all this, Like I missed the boat. It seems generation millennials don't even know this is a possibility. You can't even go for example on "Reddit" and talk about something like anti-gravity without those millennials all stomping down on you making fun and saying more or less "that will never work" what are you on? etc, I got every possible bad reply from social media. So I just gave up it all together for trying to talk about anything related to free energy, Scalar and gravity waves. On social media.

This has more or less been what keeps me going day to day. I wake up to ideas and I try them and I do more research. And build the Bedini wheel one day. So for now I can just experiment with solid state versions.

My dream is to have a workshop or a garage or any place I could call a "lab" instead of depending on my little apartment kitchen for everything. But for now I work with what I got. There are some topics I would love to talk about on here but I'm still not sure how the community is here, If im just going to be made fun of or if folks will be friendly and help. So this is more or less an introduction post. I'm sorry if it bothers people on here. I just want to reach out and talk about free energy research.

Take care all! And if you want to talk feel free to send me a private message.


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Welcome to the forum, Joel!

This forum has people from all over the world; different interest and skill levels.

   

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Sounds great. Looking forward.  O0


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Hi Joel - Good to see other new members joining the forum  O0

"I feel very isolated in this hobby and research."
You are not alone! I'm in the UK. I joined this site a little while ago because not a single person I know cares / is interested / understands when I discuss this topic. It's infuriating given the need for it in the world and the physics as they are, not prohibiting an over unity, self looped machine to provide surplus output via the environment.
If it's possible, it's simple and if it's simple, why are we paying for sh*t?

I'm in the same basket as you, looking for others to collaborate with / bounce ideas to & from.
There is not enough of us. Those with knowledge seem to want to hoard it sadly, yet understandably.
I believe the bubble is due to burst, so to speak, any day soon. Things seem to be picking up somewhat recently.
Every effort counts!

Check out my replication thread if you'd like to see a 2020 Patrick Kelly design revisited, update coming soon.
Any suggestions there are much appreciated.
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I always thought the UK was up ahead with this kind of stuff. Ah well. Perhaps not.
Thanks for the welcome!


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Hi Joel, welcome to OUR!

I'm also from the UK and I have to echo RR's feeling about no one seeming to care too much about free energy research here. Most people I speak to day to day are seemingly only interested in talking about the benign things such as what happened in Love Island or football matches. No one seems to really invest much time in their own education or have much interest in furthering themselves. When I tell people that I don't watch TV anymore and prefer to spend my time reading and doing research, they sort of look at me a bit funny as if to say that it's abnormal to do such a thing. I guess it is abnormal because the normal thing for people to do is just veg out infront of the TV and turn their minds off.

Anyway, I'm happy being a lone wolf. I'm content with my own company and don't need the approval of others to guide my direction.
   

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Yeah I noticed, Only been here for a few days and more or less been "slapped" back on one of my topics from talking about surprise free energy research in a free energy community in all places, Apparently high voltage and power plugs and "abnormal" circuits is something I can't talk about on here in public I have been told by moderation. I guess its their rule so no arguing that, Just odd. Seems like I run into mostly the same issues every place I go online with this free energy research in general. Your right. Perhaps most people are just not ready for taking this stuff seriously. They rather play with much less dangerous high current high voltage tesla coils for spark shows. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I like Tesla coils. I just don't feel they are less "dangerous" to talk about generally speaking. But I guess I'm not the one to make that call. Again thanks for the warm welcome. Since it looks like they don't like it when we use the forums on here often. Feel free to send me a private message or email!


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Yeah I noticed, Only been here for a few days and more or less been "slapped" back on one of my topics from talking about surprise free energy research in a free energy community in all places, Apparently high voltage and power plugs and "abnormal" circuits is something I can't talk about on here in public I have been told by moderation. I guess its their rule so no arguing that, Just odd. Seems like I run into mostly the same issues every place I go online with this free energy research in general. Your right. Perhaps most people are just not ready for taking this stuff seriously. They rather play with much less dangerous high current high voltage tesla coils for spark shows. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I like Tesla coils. I just don't feel they are less "dangerous" to talk about generally speaking. But I guess I'm not the one to make that call. Again thanks for the warm welcome. Since it looks like they don't like it when we use the forums on here often. Feel free to send me a private message or email!
Hi Joel and welcome. The more researchers the better :)I agree with Chet on this one. Our host does not have Section 230 protection like Big Tech. A private board would be better although I think what you proposed would be illegal in most countries given it would be seen as fraud if it worked.  I think there have been instances in the past where people were caught using reactive current devices to avoid paying. Rather than me try to dodge paying them, I'd like it so they pay me for  the extra I create :)  I'm looking forward to seeing more of your work.
   

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Hi Joel,

Welcome to this forum.  Like you I am self taught in electromagnetics, in physics and in electronics having learnt on the job.  As in any forum you will find a few naysayers here but they are in the minority.  F6FLT is a ham and I think that is his call sign so you might want to get in touch with him.  Unfortunately he is of the opinion that because we do not have FE devices in our hands all the past claims are either scams or false claims based on incorrect or misunderstood data.  Therefore there is nothing to be gained by attempting replications.  I don't follow that reasoning as I think some of them could have really witnessed FE and the reason there are no replications is down to there being no understanding of the unique construction of the device that did work.  As one of my colleagues put it, "The inventor has no operating theory which successfully delivers testable predictions. The inventor might have the classic replication problem: after tinkering a device works, the work attracts funding and support, the inventor supposes he know why it works and adopts a theory, then the shiny bigger models created with that funding do not work, but his theory doesn't change to fit that evidence. The inventor loses credibility."  One good thing has come from this thread, I now know of two more members that are in the UK which is my country.  Peterae (who owns this forum) and Grumage are also UK members.  And if you haven't already realized Allcanadian is in your country so you might like to make contact with him.

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Welcome to this forum, Joel.

As Smudge said very well, I am of the opinion that "we do not have FE devices in our hands all the past claims are either scams or false claims based on incorrect or misunderstood data".

I obviously can't believe that statistically out of the hundreds of claims of them, not one could emerge, so I apply Occam's razor, they couldn't for the good reason that they didn't work. There may be one exception, which Smudge knows well, and that is the Coler device, but that remains to be demonstrated.

You mentioned two people, Bedini and Bearden, whose disappearance affected you. Humanly speaking, I regret it too, I would rather face people who are wrong or deceive us, and contradict them, than for them to disappear. But their disappearance is not a loss for FE research, quite the contrary.
The motor of the first one was never overunity but Bedini became for many a kind of FE expert and played on this position, while in fact nothing ever came of it. The FE is full of these so-called experts who have produced nothing but bluster and hype.
Bearden's theoretical ideas were completely incoherent, without logic, without formalism, the worst being the MEG for the obvious reason that a magnetic flux is not a flow. He is regarded as a crackpot by competent people, producing gibberish, and he did worse, invoking cancer therapies or finding virtues of psychic force over matter, to another charlatan, Uri Geller.

As I have said elsewhere, the free energy research done here should not try to follow the screwed up ideas of these pseudo-experts or the setups from FE claims without any evidence, like Kapanadze, Ruslan, Akula and all the others. One can only lose by following all these clowns without stature and with false ideas or intended to deceive us. Even becoming a blind fan of a great inventor like Tesla is counterproductive.
The only method is, from what is known and works, science, to generate our own new ideas and go beyond. It is by standing on the shoulders of giants, the geniuses of physics who have gone before us, that we can see further and build something.  No one today is a specialist in FE, no one has the secrets because no one has it. Those who claim it are always unable to demonstrate it. So I can only advise you to have more confidence in yourself than in these charlatans. ;)

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Hi Joel and welcome. The more researchers the better :)I agree with Chet on this one. Our host does not have Section 230 protection like Big Tech. A private board would be better although I think what you proposed would be illegal in most countries given it would be seen as fraud if it worked.  I think there have been instances in the past where people were caught using reactive current devices to avoid paying. Rather than me try to dodge paying them, I'd like it so they pay me for  the extra I create :)  I'm looking forward to seeing more of your work.

Well since you bring it up, I'm going to ask lol, If you look at the circuit I built and understand, Your not using any or lots of current if you limit using reactance. It's just science, How would they charge you for something your not using, This method will work with any AC input, It's not stealing from the electric company. If your using only 40 ma the electric, And you are, You need a little trigger amount. Your going to pay for that. No looping around this in any honest way. And I didn't propose to steal from the electric. Just found a method to use what is already available and make that process very efficient.  can only charge you $$ for 40ma of current no? If you found a way to use that tiny current to do things like charge batteries what is the big deal? Your not pulling in extra from the electric company for free or anything. When you pulse charge capacitors they do this kind of electret effect and the extra comes from the vacuum. Similar thing with batteries but its chemical triggered. No black arts here.

And they say its dangerous its high voltage it comes from the plug etc and that's a liability? So we shouldn't talk about it? So high voltage transformers, and spark gaps and Tesla coils and everything else free energy realated are super safe and effective and ok to talk about on this host? My circuit does the opposite current wise, the current goes down to 40 ma. This is the ohms law with calculating X at frequency 60 hertz. You could lick the output tips and nothing would happen. Just don't touch the live parts inside the box like the capacitor, Kind of similar rule as to messing around with Tesla Coil power supply? I'm sorry if the word "high Voltage" worried people. There is 0 high voltage in that circuit. It only uses a high voltage rated capacitor so it can take the 110 AC.

I was more or less told to slow down and spend time reading other "expert" posts before starting one "sketchy" myself. Even if the method works as I speak. It's a little insulting lol I'm sorry I'm here to talk about OUR and share knowledge. Nothing against anyone. Just what i'm into.   If your that afraid of free speech of basic circuitry and your host. Perhaps your hosting is just not for this kind of site?

Take care.
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Welcome Joel

I enjoyed your videos .
This forum has many personalities and some of the less hands on guys can easily be spooked by the idea of hacking the grid and  fooling dumb meters.

I spent some time learning the de sulfating method spruked by by Bedini as free power...well i guess it was power that nobody was ever going to use ?

In the 90's John Bedini used to sell green magic pens to mark the outer rim of cd's with the promise the it made them sound better. they were quite popular among the audiophile types with  creativity overload.

Look into Beardons phd its a bit of a bad joke but people like to hear positive sounding things and have hope which is exploited by market forces and idiots emerge . bearden bedini frederick, just to name a few . Floyd sweet however may have had something for his eyes only.

nobody with anything real would deal with egotistically based fools like them anyway.

moray hendershot steven mark have remained on my list of valid tech .

Look at the stuff by OTTO here and you may see that he did solve the tpu in a hands on rather than academic manner.

The mix of academic ,hands on, mediators,moderators,and many other perspectives can be a real PITA if you allow yourself to get sucked into disagreement .

You have done far more useful work than bedini or beardon and any of these up front, larger than life  goons because you are honest and share your findings in the right context of experimentation.

I personally recommend the steap tpu as the most valid tech here and the guy who worked it out is also combining it with a sea water hydrogen system which includes a consumed waste metal , much like your own work
   

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Wow i'm going to have to read up on that for sure. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!


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Joel, I like the humor (intentional or unintentional) of your "Free Energy Generation By Using Electric Company's Potential As Trigger" (I'm responding here because I can't post there).

Of course I don't believe for a second that you can generate more energy from the mains than is taken, but a meter can be fooled.
I don't know the principle of modern meters, they are surely better protected, but the principle of the old meters was a disc that rotates because of currents induced in it by a magnetic flux depending on the current.
As the induced current is proportional to the di/dt and therefore to the rate of change and therefore to the frequency, a higher frequency has more effect. By re-injecting a weaker current into the mains at a higher frequency than the one taken at mains frequency, we can have a greater effect on the counter, which can reduce its speed of rotation, or even make it rotate in reverse.
Besides being illegal, this is of course not the kind of free energy we are looking for :), but it is always useful to understand the principles, not to trick the energy provider but to debunk some of FE's claims. Barbosa's device claiming to draw energy from the ground, even if it was of a different principle, was of this type. Cheap power meters are also very vulnerable to high frequency currents, which allows a lot of FE claims by incompetents or by those who want to fool you or show off on youtube.



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There is a thread here  and elsewhere about Rosmary Ansile and with Poynt ,our host i think , Along with proving her wrong in a free energy claim . Poynt also found bugs in our most popular digital oscilloscope the Rigol 1054z .

Rigol updated firmware with Poynts help.

Lots of good work is done here even if not everybody has the cigar yet .

There is a good crowd here that just got one guy better.

In may ways an analogue scope can be better /easier when looking at noisy signals. Most have both.
   

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Well since you bring it up, I'm going to ask lol, If you look at the circuit I built and understand, Your not using any or lots of current if you limit using reactance. It's just science, How would they charge you for something your not using, This method will work with any AC input, It's not stealing from the electric company. If your using only 40 ma the electric, And you are, You need a little trigger amount. Your going to pay for that. No looping around this in any honest way. And I didn't propose to steal from the electric. Just found a method to use what is already available and make that process very efficient.  can only charge you $$ for 40ma of current no? If you found a way to use that tiny current to do things like charge batteries what is the big deal? Your not pulling in extra from the electric company for free or anything. When you pulse charge capacitors they do this kind of electret effect and the extra comes from the vacuum. Similar thing with batteries but its chemical triggered. No black arts here.

And they say its dangerous its high voltage it comes from the plug etc and that's a liability? So we shouldn't talk about it? So high voltage transformers, and spark gaps and Tesla coils and everything else free energy realated are super safe and effective and ok to talk about on this host? My circuit does the opposite current wise, the current goes down to 40 ma. This is the ohms law with calculating X at frequency 60 hertz. You could lick the output tips and nothing would happen. Just don't touch the live parts inside the box like the capacitor, Kind of similar rule as to messing around with Tesla Coil power supply? I'm sorry if the word "high Voltage" worried people. There is 0 high voltage in that circuit. It only uses a high voltage rated capacitor so it can take the 110 AC.

I was more or less told to slow down and spend time reading other "expert" posts before starting one "sketchy" myself. Even if the method works as I speak. It's a little insulting lol I'm sorry I'm here to talk about OUR and share knowledge. Nothing against anyone. Just what i'm into.   If your that afraid of free speech of basic circuitry and your host. Perhaps your hosting is just not for this kind of site?

Take care.
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no one is afraid of free speech here. I would suggest familiarizing yourself with more threads. You can say whatever you want but there could be legal consequences for our host if you promote illegal activity.
   

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 illegal  activity? I guess you really don't understand this basic circuit? Or even better prehaps I don't understand my own circuit.  I get it about promoting  illegal activity. I wouldn't do it as well. I just fail to see how this could be not legal,

Let's look at it this way, How can it not be legal if your not using power? We are not looping steeling or doing anything silly to gain free electric.  It's a current limiting device. You can't use more than the unit can provide. So your not somehow using it from the electric. The little you do end up using as per ohms law with the X factor is about 50ma with this circuit and I did stress over and over that you have to pay for that little amount. There is no cheating away from that.

The administration/moderation here seems all high up that this circuit somehow "violates" rules.  Again maybe I don't understand basic ohms law and as recommended should read more in these forms and learn and get the feel of things before posting, I'm ready to admit perhaps i'm wrong but please educate me or at lease give me a change to figure out what may be wrong with such basic circuits if anything.

If I don't run my lights at night that's my choice, I'm not using current so I can't get billed for it or sued for lack of usage. Again unless i'm missing something. I mean I shared this everywhere online and no ones has given me any problems, That's reactance circuits that limit your current usage, This is just great efficiency, If your circuits can make do and do interesting things with 50ma of current that you need to pay for or less. Than all the power to you right?

Again just trying to understand why such a hot issue over such a basic concept.? I must really not understand, As far as I know this is just some basic PSU technology  :o

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Hi Joel,

Welcome to the forum.  You are correct in saying you don't understand your circuit.  I have given an in depth explanation in your thread on OU.com.  But basically the problem with your circuit is that it introduces a strongly reactive component back into the grid system.  Please read my reply to you on OU.com for a full explanation.

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illegal  activity? I guess you really don't understand this basic circuit? Or even better prehaps I don't understand my own circuit.
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I believe that this is indeed the case, you don't understand your own "basic" setup.
Also note that "illegal activity" only refers to setups that fool a counter, I did not say that yours does, unless the device sends significant pulses back to the mains, which is not impossible.
Finally, as long as there is OU, especially in large quantities, looping the system and getting a stand-alone setup is very easy. A setup plugged into the mains, I don't call that free energy.


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LOL I guess my ham license that I passed with honors means nothing cause I got such a high mark. VA3JFL btw look it up. I passed with honors. So proud of my understanding of ham radio and basic ohms law :)

Take care!


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Congratulations on your ham ticket.  I also am a ham.  My call is WD4SIX.  I have held an advanced class license since back in the mid 1970s.  That class of license is no longer available.

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Nice, Well the sad part is there really are no hams left in my area. But the topic interests me like old time radio spark days with L/C circuits. Very Tesla"ish


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LOL I guess my ham license that I passed with honors means nothing cause I got such a high mark. VA3JFL btw look it up. I passed with honors. So proud of my understanding of ham radio and basic ohms law :)

Take care!

The level required in the ham exam is very low. I'm sorry, but as an argument from authority, it's a bit ridiculous. C.C This is an achievement, but only for those who have no background in physics or electronics. I also got it and never bragged about this "achievement".

If you're convinced you can produce FE with such a simplistic setup, rather than talking about it, you should build it, do some serious measurements, and come and report the results.
I'll bet you a TRX FT991A that you don't get any FE with it. :)


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The level required in the ham exam is very low. I'm sorry, but as an argument from authority, it's a bit ridiculous. C.C This is an achievement, but only for those who have no background in physics or electronics. I also got it and never bragged about this "achievement".

If you're convinced you can produce FE with such a simplistic setup, rather than talking about it, you should build it, do some serious measurements, and come and report the results.
I'll bet you a TRX FT991A that you don't get any FE with it. :)

Wow you must be so smart and so humble with it .
I was wondering when the backlash was coming but no worries  as it is a well known personality trait .

Its hard to see how it relates to the thread title other than to defy it .

Now we all know just how easy you also completed the ham license and how little its value it was to you .

If only energy could be extracted from put downs and apathy there would be a winner here. The chances are you might have discovered this and are looping it beyond basic self awareness.

@Joel F6 knows how to seem empathic,but insensitive in general . He has quite a bit of book learning and likes to think his learned opinion is closer to fact than others, but he is quite knowledgeable with electronics. He does also make positive contributions but cant help himself if he sees things that he knows are misleading as a chance to elevate himself and educate others .
There are many great minds here but social skills are not a given .  After all, we can all be accused of chasing ghosts , even those who have seen them.
Some have them in leaky box.

Well drawn circuits from real experiments ,even failures are useful to somebody, you see not everybody has high education here but contributions come from all corners .. Imagine if you will that a solution lies here . No body is going to make any claims especially those who are more knowledgeable as they also know that FREE energy only exists in the context of ignorance . Energy conversion is what we are ..many of us are really working on

The only reason I have written this is because of the thread title and the context of his put down.
I apologise on most members behalf  but you can see how the  tit for tats develop and do nothing to help OUR cause.
   

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Here's what I came up with.
It's not OU, but I think it will work.
Variant of the Marx generator with inductors instead of capacitors.
I wonder if this has already happened somewhere?
   
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