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NickZ,

Are you saying you have a working OU device, and know how it works?
   
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   You know Grumps, that that is a loaded question...
   Maybe you should ask AC,  he "says he has one".
Maybe F6 needs to verify it, while you tag along...

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   You know Grumps, that that is a loaded question...
   Maybe you should ask AC,  he "says he has one".

   NickZ

Your statements imply that you have an OU device, you say everyone else is guessing.

This sort of thing doesn't help any of achieve the desired goal.

   
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    After my 6000 forum posts on this subject, I have never "implied anything". I have always shown where I'm coming from.
If you had followed along, you would know that I 'm not into BS.
   And, yes, I do think that after the time I've spent on this, I do " understand" it's workings. Believe it or not.
  And, yes, I do feel that these devices can and do self run, as has been shown to those interested enough to pursue this project.
  No, I would not show what you asked for. Would you???

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    After my 6000 forum posts on this subject, I have never "implied anything". I have always shown where I'm coming from.
If you had followed along, you would know that I 'm not into BS.
   And, yes, I do think that after the time I've spent on this, I do " understand" it's workings. Believe it or not.
  And, yes, I do feel that these devices can and do self run, as has been shown to those interested enough to pursue this project.
  No, I would not show what you asked for. Would you???

 NickZ

Would I show a working OU, free energy, device? Absolutely! 

I'd show it right this minute if I had one, document the schematic and components.
Then show all of the test data that lead me to my conclusions.

Complete and total disclosure.

   
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Grumpy,

Are you trying to say that you learned this from ourunity? haha
   
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  Well Grumps, I  won't hold my breath, waiting for you.

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Your statements imply that you have an OU device, you say everyone else is guessing.

This sort of thing doesn't help any of achieve the desired goal.


  You know Grumps, you're right. But, I did not "imply" anything, you did.
Nor does guessing about an outcome, or it's IMO, as I see some guys are doing, concerning this device.
Even without building it!!!
   Remember we are on the same team...

   NickZ
   
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  Alright Vidura, you've put me on your battlefield. Sorry, I'm not into it. You are what's not relavent.
  I'll let you lead the way...

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In this place I will move the posts, which are not directly related to the main topics, or to carry out discussions of personal points of view, in order to keep the originals simple and readable. Thanks for your understanding.
   
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F.Y.I.

YES - Excess Energy can, and HAS ALREADY, been achieved!

Holcomb Energy Systems Facebook
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Until proven otherwise, this is false. And you are in an even worse position to assert this since you have neither measured their system, nor dismantled it to see a possible fraud, nor have you been able to reproduce it, nor even provide a proof of principle.
What is the point of parroting the only source of information on the system, which is Holcomb, and therefore judge and jury?
Your assertion has absolutely no value.





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You needn't take my opinion on board! Just observe that other informed individuals have arrived at that conclusion for good reasons .. It may not be as widespread a thing as is said by some but certainly, at least some influential inventors have been silenced or worse throughout history, having posed a direct threat to the "big monkey" in charge (Need I elaborate?)
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On a discussion forum, opinions are there to be discussed. And when I see some that I think are wrong, I say so. The search for FE cannot be done without searching for truth, at least scientific.

I think the reasons you mention are not. The idea of believing that everything we observe is the result of an intention, of a will, of specific and simple projects of manipulators or exploiters who would like to dominate and shape the world is the basis of conspiracy theories.

Such people exist, of course, and Snowden, whom you mentioned, is one of the useful people who denounce them. But what we observe in the world is, with some exceptions, the result of a multitude of complex causes and effects that no one can control. Assuming simplistic explanations and scapegoats for any event is a refusal to exercise one's intelligence and to do the long work of analysis that is nevertheless indispensable for understanding world events.
The result is that we produce arguments of circumstances, that is to say that we invent one thing or its opposite according to the subject and the intellectual bias of the moment.

For example, one hears that if we do not have FE, it is because there are too many power and financial interests at stake that are opposed to it, inventions would be suppressed, inventors threatened, etc. etc., and not a single brilliant inventor would succeed in making his invention known, not a single brilliant physicist would succeed in making his discovery known, so powerful would be the opposing forces at play. C.C

But why don't we say that a big company which would have a free energy machine and would spread it all over the world, would acquire an enormous power over societies and would obtain financial interests as never before in the history of humanity? We don't say this because we observe that we don't have free energy. So the same reasons with which one would explain that a company would acquire a monopoly and power if it sold free energy are used to explain that it does not sell it and wants to prevent others from selling it. This is all completely arbitrary and inconsistent.

All conspiracy theories invent simplistic causes for complex events or for simple events that have been made complex in order to make them great mysteries that will excite people. The failure of free energy is part of the second case.
Nothing is explained by distorted and oversimplified answers, so that they can be understood even by people with an IQ below 100. But these people are happy to have the impression that they understand what is presented to them as the solution to an intriguing mystery, when they do not understand anything, and they relay everywhere the lies that manipulators (like Putin) or other unintelligent people like them, have produced.

Yet there are far more manipulators around conspiracy theories, than there are in the big companies that want to make money. The free energy movement is particularly affected by this phenomenon. The failure of free energy has a simple but frustrating cause that is therefore rejected: the issue is complex and not yet solved.


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Hi Nick I will try to explain. In first place you are right regarding the tuning between the coils to the correct wavelength. I am aware of that and will come to this step. But I am not interested in light up a150w lamp with a kacher, using 180w of input. Note that the scope of this topic is researching the involved principles, and not to replicate a device. IMO a device cannot be made before the knowledge of its principles is gained. It is like putting the chart in front of the horses. Despite that there might be a few successful builds, maybe achieved by a lot of trial and error, collecting empirical data.  But it turns out that they are not replicable, therefore I argue that the principles are not understood, or erroneous.
A device is working in one location, but not in another? There are some differing hypothesis about how it should work and how it has to be tuned. If some of this hypothesis are correct, then it should be replicable at any place by a skilled person, isn't it? This is the reason why I am searching for the knowledge, to make new technologies available for the benefit of mankind.
Hopefully now you understand my intention.
Regards Vidura


   Vidura:  In the first place you don't know if I'm right, or not. As you have not made the tests, nor built the device, that I have. Yet, you assume you are right about everything you've said, even though you can't show any proof, nor have built anything that works, so far.
  If your intentions don't match up with reality, and don't result in an actual self running device, it is of little use to "mankind".
 So, that is why I try to help you out, as you will see. This is more than just about you or me, or our  opinions.
   Also, in this case, if you don't consider replication of a real self runner, important, then, good luck with that. At this point, you are just guessing. And that won't cut it. Nor will conventional electronics logic. As you will see...
 

   NickZ
Nick, as I also enjoy to participate in the battlefield, I'll respond to some statements:
I do not assume to be right in everything I say , or better propose as hypothesis. Neither I know with certainty If you are, like you guess. If you can present a self-runner based on your work, I will congratulate sincerely. My intentions are genuine, there is no selfish interest, If this does not match with "reality" the issue might be on the other side. So your intention is helping me out? This sounds as if you have achieved the goal already, have you?
On the other hand I do consider the replication of a self runner  as important, but much more important the knowledge how this can be achieved. Regarding the conventional electronics logic, It might be incomplete, but in most cases it is quite useful. A lot of devices which You and me are using day to day are based on this knowledge, and thanks to this fact they are replicable by anyone who study the subject. As you  can see...
   
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A better copy of the "Secret of Tesla":

http://www.teslascalar.com/Engl/SecretTesla.pdf
   
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Re: Re: BTG Research « Reply #2 on: Today at 08:44:19 »
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What Tesla succeeded in is not secret, read his patents, and what is "secret" is what Tesla failed at, his theoretical ideas being wrong.



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Quote from: F6FLT on Today at 08:44:19

    What Tesla succeeded in is not secret, read his patents, and what is "secret" is what Tesla failed at, his theoretical ideas being wrong.


Patents are important, but alone they present a myopic view for someone trying to understand what Tesla was actually thinking.   His numerous EE lectures and Colorado Springs notes provide a lot of necessary context.

This fallacy is highlighted more clearly if one applied a 'patents only' rule to contributors like Oliver Heaviside or Lorentz.


There is also the largest body of Tesla's work that was confiscated after his death, which by now is probably never going to be made public.


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I have read the papers from Tesla, at least those which are in public domain. IMO he was one of the great experimental researchers that time, and many of his discoveries has  been implemented in technology later. Regarding the concepts and theories, as I stated before, science 150 years ago is not the same as today, and it will continue changing. There has been misconceptions before, and they are existing now as well. Tesla might be considered as a genius and visionary but he was not omniscient, mistakes might be there also.
   

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On a discussion forum, opinions are there to be discussed. And when I see some that I think are wrong, I say so. The search for FE cannot be done without searching for truth, at least scientific.

I think the reasons you mention are not. The idea of believing that everything we observe is the result of an intention, of a will, of specific and simple projects of manipulators or exploiters who would like to dominate and shape the world is the basis of conspiracy theories.

Such people exist, of course, and Snowden, whom you mentioned, is one of the useful people who denounce them. But what we observe in the world is, with some exceptions, the result of a multitude of complex causes and effects that no one can control. Assuming simplistic explanations and scapegoats for any event is a refusal to exercise one's intelligence and to do the long work of analysis that is nevertheless indispensable for understanding world events.
The result is that we produce arguments of circumstances, that is to say that we invent one thing or its opposite according to the subject and the intellectual bias of the moment.

For example, one hears that if we do not have FE, it is because there are too many power and financial interests at stake that are opposed to it, inventions would be suppressed, inventors threatened, etc. etc., and not a single brilliant inventor would succeed in making his invention known, not a single brilliant physicist would succeed in making his discovery known, so powerful would be the opposing forces at play. C.C

But why don't we say that a big company which would have a free energy machine and would spread it all over the world, would acquire an enormous power over societies and would obtain financial interests as never before in the history of humanity? We don't say this because we observe that we don't have free energy. So the same reasons with which one would explain that a company would acquire a monopoly and power if it sold free energy are used to explain that it does not sell it and wants to prevent others from selling it. This is all completely arbitrary and inconsistent.

All conspiracy theories invent simplistic causes for complex events or for simple events that have been made complex in order to make them great mysteries that will excite people. The failure of free energy is part of the second case.
Nothing is explained by distorted and oversimplified answers, so that they can be understood even by people with an IQ below 100. But these people are happy to have the impression that they understand what is presented to them as the solution to an intriguing mystery, when they do not understand anything, and they relay everywhere the lies that manipulators (like Putin) or other unintelligent people like them, have produced.

Yet there are far more manipulators around conspiracy theories, than there are in the big companies that want to make money. The free energy movement is particularly affected by this phenomenon. The failure of free energy has a simple but frustrating cause that is therefore rejected: the issue is complex and not yet solved.


 - "Science" evidently does not offer the solutions we require for this particular issue so other fields must be searched simultaneously.. Epistemology being the first place to start .. (what exactly is going on with the situation at large)

- I know for a fact that you are not personally able to verify or disprove what I suggested, so why act as an authority, instead of just letting the (valid) points I made stand for others to contemplate?

- I appreciate the elaboration however, what I would suggest is that localized systems are introduced to peoples' homes instead of a centralized producer.. Centralized FE would be worse than what we have currently IMO .. At least as it is now, they need our money to buy the fuel to burn and repeatedly kill the dipole without adding a "single watt" to the power line, so "we" are "needed" in essence (it would appear), were the current infrastructure given the green light on using self oscillating systems, we'd have Orwells' 1984 in no time flat.

This is of course, all speculation, as is your comment, but I don't see another effective path of enquiry beside actually building stuff, given the absurd efforts that have already been made, and the science itself indicating that it's possible, and has been for 100+ years.

- I suspect that Character assassination / real assassination is used as a last resort these days, just about as something is about to take off - who knows to what extent the disinfo agents go to to keep things at bay .. the subliminal messaging we see put out by corporations is probably a large factor .. Myth"busters" ep on the Bedini motor for example, so obviously a plant to convince people it's all a load of Bollox and not worthy of replication ..

- I don't allow myself to be sucked into true lunacy however some of the supposed "conspiracy theories" we see floating about actually have good reason to be investigated; most of them in fact - only they are swept under the rug to be dealt with next year because of the cognitive dissonance they elicit, like the Heaviside component was some 120+ years ago now .. And look what good that did! /s

- The issue most certainly has become complex but if an Over - Unity device is possible to construct and the principles are possible to manifest in a physical design, as many have claimed to have done, then it should be SIMPLE once on paper .. simple enough anyone can build it. I realize this will fly in the face of esteemed researchers reading this, I am familiar with how much time the work takes and how expensive it is, however it is a truth, that we are trying to put screws in with a hammer, using standardized, modern approaches to these subtle and OLD problems.

Stubblefield was literally a farmer and figured out how to use the Ether to communicate with family (reportedly)
Bearden lived a life of poverty on a farm up until adolescence. Dollard lived on the streets for years.

I think if less academic people in this field had their head up their *rses, and would be more content to collaborate with "lesser minds" without acting as an authority force, we would be further ahead in this by now.
   

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   Vidura:  Yes, I do mind your actions of putting me in the irrelevant corner. Thanks a lot for that.
   As you consider my comments NOT relevant, I will allow you to make all the tests that you need, to fully understand this device.
Even without building it. You will be the first to know how something works, even without it working. That's great...
   You asked me if my devices works, as if I am hiding something, but, I'm not. I have a fully built replication, and it still needs something more for it to be self running. But, it's close, very very close. And I have shown what it can do. How about you...
   Anyway, if you don't hear from me, you'll know why. I don't expect that any one will show you or Grumpy, nor anyone else a working self runner, these days.
   BTW:  Good luck with your non build.

   NickZ

So, no OU or free energy here either.
   
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Might be a good idea to “Blueprint “ this device (Nick’s device..?)
All specs for replication ( since you have actual unit in hand)

Also what seems unusual in its attributes?

Also might be a good idea to respect Vidura’s wishes in his research area !
Especially since his path seems an attempt at simple understanding with minimal parts count and …complexity!
A possible Gain mechanism!
Respectfully
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If we start replicating "almost OU" devices, we will never achieve or goal.
   
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So, no OU or free energy here either.


   Did I ever in my over 6000 post ever make a claim???
Nor will I, ever.
Nor would I research and test anything for years if I thought that it is just was a waste of time.
There are no self runner, in any of the forums. Seams like it has not been repeated, enough.
   Did you get that Grumps? So should we all just give up trying, until one shows up? Seams like it...
   
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   Did I ever in my over 6000 post ever make a claim???
Nor will I, ever.
Nor would I research and test anything for years if I thought that it is just was a waste of time.
There are no self runner, in any of the forums. Seams like it has not been repeated, enough.
   Did you get that Grumps? So should we all just give up trying, until one shows up? Seams like it...
   
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Stay calm Nick, It was never my intention to offend you, If you review the post's you can see for yourself that you started ranting in this topic, If you come with concrete ideas relevant to the scope of the research, you're welcome. And if you don't like the way I address the task, it will be better you put your energy in completing your almost AU device.
By the way I don't consider the Battlefield topic as secondary corner, as I am interested in the opinions of others also.
Vidura
   

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   Did I ever in my over 6000 post ever make a claim???
Nor will I, ever.
Nor would I research and test anything for years if I thought that it is just was a waste of time.
There are no self runner, in any of the forums. Seams like it has not been repeated, enough.
   Did you get that Grumps? So should we all just give up trying, until one shows up? Seams like it...
   
   NickZ

How can you say Vidura is wrong, when your devices is not self-running?






   
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   grumpy:
   Sorry, I had enough. I'll let you guys fight it out. You'll soon see what I mean. And I'm sorry I even posted, anything.
  I am dealing with the wrong guys. No one here is doing anything that even relates to this device. Yes, I can and do say that.
   Bye.
 

  NickZ
   
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