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How do you see OU effects, but not achieve the goal?
   
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How do you see OU effects, but not achieve the goal?


   Grumps:
   That is more than just a good question...
   The purpose of "coping some ones work" is to be able to verify an anomaly. And replicate it, and explain how it's possible. To do something that conventional physics considered "impossible". Self running devices... Look outside the box, for the answers...

    NickZ

  PS. If we didn't learn from previous civilizations and others work like Tesla, we would be like the natives in the Amazon. Naively stupid but happy.
« Last Edit: 2023-01-05, 21:49:20 by NickZ »
   
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   No, for several reasons, input to output readings are normally not posible with this device.
Self running is the goal.

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Are any of these devices actually verified to be "self running"?
   
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Some might have noted that I am not going the usual way of copying  someone's else work or reverse engineering a device. Of course I look at the different approaches, what do they have in common and the most important thing , what are the involved physical principles.
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Not copying other people's works, which is never proven to work as claimed, is an excellent method. It is better to follow your own ideas.

On the other hand, the idea of a theoretical common point between them is an illusion. The fact that there is a common point between 100 machines that do not work is not in any way a lead to free energy. The similarities are due to the fact that people influence and copy each other, and also use the simplest means available to them to test setups, such as coils and capacitors, and enjoy the most spectacular effects such as resonances.

I think that we need to find new ideas, which have nothing in common with everything we have seen so far and which have failed.

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I notice F6FLT's profile says Experimentalist, I haven't seen any of his positive constructional contributions on any thread and yet he is advising us how conduct our resources of time finances and thoughts with what appear to be off topic none related development distractions of his build repeated requests thus cluttering up the thread, like unrelated adverts on google sites.

Is their a button i can press to delete him and similar characters from my main topic in view thus from spoiling Vidura's valuable contribution ?

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I notice F6FLT's profile says Experimentalist, I haven't seen any of his positive constructional contributions on any thread and yet he is advising us how conduct our resources of time finances and thoughts with what appear to be off topic none related development distractions of his build repeated requests thus cluttering up the thread, like unrelated adverts on google sites.

Is their a button i can press to delete him and similar characters from my main topic in view thus from spoiling Vidura's valuable contribution ?

Sil

PS please feel free to delete this post once noted, many thanks.
   
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I notice F6FLT's profile says Experimentalist, I haven't seen any of his positive constructional contributions on any thread and yet he is advising us how conduct our resources of time finances and thoughts with what appear to be off topic none related development distractions of his build repeated requests thus cluttering up the thread, like unrelated adverts on google sites.

Is their a button i can press to delete him and similar characters from my main topic in view thus from spoiling Vidura's valuable contribution ?

Sil

PS please feel free to delete this post once noted, many thanks.
As it happens at all forums, members have different opinions and different ways to contribute. But for the sake of science we should let personal likes and dislikes aside. Until the moment I did not see the need to moderate or delate posts. Personally I see critics also as something positive, if they are respectful and with  common sense, as they allow to review our own work, and eventually they can point out some mistake. Anyway if the proposed hypothesis proofs to be valid, eventually I clean the thread for better readability later.
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Are any of these devices actually verified to be "self running"?
Actually I don't know, as I never could observe a working OU device being present. It is not of my concern either, for this we have the"fakecheckers" although there might be some corruption in this agency  ;D.
But my gut feeling tells me the difference from someone who want to make some YT money with fakevideos and person who is actually doing research.
Regards Vidura.
   
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I notice F6FLT's profile says Experimentalist, I haven't seen any of his positive constructional contributions on any thread and yet he is advising us how conduct our resources of time finances and thoughts with what appear to be off topic none related development distractions of his build repeated requests thus cluttering up the thread, like unrelated adverts on google sites.

Is their a button i can press to delete him and similar characters from my main topic in view thus from spoiling Vidura's valuable contribution ?

Sil

I have "constructional contributions" here but don't look for them, you wouldn't understand, there is no simplistic alien or conspiracy theory around. That's probably why you make slanderous off topic remarks instead of answering about Vidura's project and his method, while I answered him apropos and posively in his thread "Concepts and principles of OU devices" and here.



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If concepts leading to overunity or free energy were found in currently accepted physics, then we would have these devices all around us.
What makes you think they are not ? could it be your mistaking the 'mushroom effect' (kept in the dark and fed BS) for greed & control.

This leads me to believe that the concepts leading to the operating principles of these devices will only be found by looking beyond what is normal.
  Whats normal?
   
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I have "constructional contributions" here but don't look for them, you wouldn't understand, there is no simplistic alien or conspiracy theory around.
To understand means to be sub servient a 'slave'. A conspiracy theory accusation implies you haven't done your home work and you leave it up to others to investigate and prove.

That's probably why you make slanderous off topic remarks instead of answering about Vidura's project and his method, while I answered him apropos and posively in his thread "Concepts and principles of OU devices" and here.
I can't comprehend the above babel, Please Define what you are referring to as slanderous.

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I am interested in science and technology, and their method.
Your irrational quibbles have no interest to me.


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Looking at the situation from an epistemological perspective, it's the participation in actual construction that's important - it seems to be in infinitesimally short supply, sadly, most people don't care or realize the potential implications of this (imminent, IMO) paradigm shift.
 
That, and the dispelling of the mis truths that are repeated ad nauseum.

Most people aren't going to figure a device out themselves, but they can certainly copy "working" designs, or even flawed ones, to reinvent with new components etc, given the aptitude for it.

The laws of physics are only man made structures in and of themselves and by no means should be interpreted as gospel - only a guideline, from which to then stray - just how most groundbreaking science has been done in the past - painfully, and blindly but with faith..

There is certainly need for standardized terminology, so we can communicate effectively, however we should not allow ourselves to be bound by the words themselves, but contemplate the physicality of what is actually occurring in a given phenomena.

Tesla was said to be intimately connected with these effects, so as to sit inside the wardenclyffe tower mid operation, with seemingly nary so much as a care for the potential consequences.

Embedded within the substructure of our nerual apparatuses are information receiving mechanisms whose sensitivity exceeds that of any currently existing silicon based tech we have in the public sphere - why do the CIA hire & pay remote viewers if this is untrue? This is to say, There are undoubtedly things we don't know about our own selves, let alone the world around us.

If you don't believe over unity and self running electrical machines to be possible, you'll NEVER see a thing, because you won't even try.

I applaud any & all efforts made here personally, but as Robert Smith said in a recent video, I also -hate- the charlatan.

I believe that were this perspective mutually upheld by people within this community and others, it's likely that someone would've O'S'd a working design that we could all imitate, by now.

As it is, it's a lonely hobby for most involved as funding to expand upon a working prototype is usually not available for most involved scientists, and definitely not for even the most intrepid amateurs such as myself.. Why would it be? lol - where's the profit and repeat sales?? ROI, etc? nonexistent for an overunity / selfrunning electrical generator system.

Business practices 101 explains that much of the dilemma, for me anyhow.

That is, unless what happens is that people figure a device out, get it self running and powering a disproportionate load for a few days to ensure it's the real deal, then keep it all to themselves .. I reckon it happens all the time. .

That or they get picked off by the powers that be..

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given what we know at this point it's not difficult to imagine this being the case.

I'd even wager that these forums are patrolled by "plants" in case someone DOES figure something out and shares it freely, in order to quickly step in and prevent the falling of an empire built on sand.
   
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That is, unless what happens is that people figure a device out, get it self running and powering a disproportionate load for a few days to ensure it's the real deal, then keep it all to themselves .. I reckon it happens all the time. .

That or they get picked off by the powers that be..

I'm no conspiracy theorist...
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Your words show the opposite. And it's a pity, because your first part, up to Tesla, was really relevant. I don't understand that, from a lucid observation, one can arrive at false and extravagant conclusions without any objective facts showing cause and effect relationships, typically conspiracy theories.


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Are any of these devices actually verified to be "self running"?


  Grumpy:  Depends what you mean by verified.
  There was a video showing Akula's device self running inside his house, in the presence of three different people.
They did verify that the device was seen personally by them to self run. Stefan, from Germany, Tiger, and I think Wesley were there to make this test. Yet, the same device did NOT work the same when taken to Germany.  So, it makes me believe that there is something to the location, ground systems, etc...
  And, also Kapanadze always had people taking readings and verifying that his devices were self running. With no additional input.
  Adrian Gustav may have been killed, after showing his device self running in the field. He was a young guy, and had the same device replication as mine, a Stalker replication.  There are others that have shown working replication, but not any more, as it's a definite risk.

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« Last Edit: 2023-01-08, 18:35:42 by NickZ »
   
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   And what have you gained by doing this? I don't see the point.
Can you light a 150 watt bulb now, with your Kacher, as I can.
What will that do to the grenade's output? Minimize it, perhaps.
The transfer of the HV and HF to the induction circuit needs that coupling, and,  at the right frequency.
 Not just at ANY frequencies. Nor just any size of the Kacher secondary coil as you have it now.
 A controllable Kacher circuit will not make up for the Kacher secondary wound at the wrong untuned frequency.
The Kacher needs to be tuned to the induction circuits, or you will have NO interaction, at all, above 300 watt loads.
You will see what I mean when you put a real load on.

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   Vidura:
   And what have you gained by doing this? I don't see the point.
Can you light a 150 watt bulb now, with your Kacher, as I can.
What will that do to the grenade's output? Minimize it, perhaps.
The transfer of the HV and HF to the induction circuit needs that coupling, and,  at the right frequency.
 Not just at ANY frequencies. Nor just any size of the Kacher secondary coil as you have it now.
 A controllable Kacher circuit will not make up for the Kacher secondary wound at the wrong untuned frequency.
The Kacher needs to be tuned to the induction circuits, or you will have NO interaction, at all, above 300 watt loads.
You will see what I mean when you put a real load on.

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Hi Nick I will try to explain. In first place you are right regarding the tuning between the coils to the correct wavelength. I am aware of that and will come to this step. But I am not interested in light up a150w lamp with a kacher, using 180w of input. Note that the scope of this topic is researching the involved principles, and not to replicate a device. IMO a device cannot be made before the knowledge of its principles is gained. It is like putting the chart in front of the horses. Despite that there might be a few successful builds, maybe achieved by a lot of trial and error, collecting empirical data.  But it turns out that they are not replicable, therefore I argue that the principles are not understood, or erroneous.
A device is working in one location, but not in another? There are some differing hypothesis about how it should work and how it has to be tuned. If some of this hypothesis are correct, then it should be replicable at any place by a skilled person, isn't it? This is the reason why I am searching for the knowledge, to make new technologies available for the benefit of mankind.
Hopefully now you understand my intention.
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YES - Excess Energy can, and HAS ALREADY, been achieved!

Holcomb Energy Systems Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems

Two Notable Videos:

https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/?ref=page_internal
At 1:12 ([STM32x] Controller and MOSFETs?). At 1:33 & 1:54 "LinGen."

https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/happy-new-year/558518552520296
#1 at 0:33 - "Successfully tested the 100 KW HES STAND-ALONE unit by running a 1200 sq ft building TOTALLY OFF THE GRID"

Probably the "first" Varified and Easily Replicatable System to appear in any of the "so called" FE or OU Forums!

   

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Your words show the opposite. And it's a pity, because your first part, up to Tesla, was really relevant. I don't understand that, from a lucid observation, one can arrive at false and extravagant conclusions without any objective facts showing cause and effect relationships, typically conspiracy theories.

You needn't take my opinion on board! Just observe that other informed individuals have arrived at that conclusion for good reasons .. It may not be as widespread a thing as is said by some but certainly, at least some influential inventors have been silenced or worse throughout history, having posed a direct threat to the "big monkey" in charge (Need I elaborate?)

I know it doesn't directly relate, but just for example, look at what they did to Edward Snowden .. and that's nothing really; compared with the implications (for energy companies and those who own them - fundamental to everything in modern life) of people having their own reliable, independent power source providing multiple kw's .. I have seen easily over 100 attempts to go public with these things (stories, news reports mostly, haven't been at this many years yet)

I don't doubt there's been more, and not even ONE of them was legit?? And if it was, why didn't it become known and commercialized, or at least available for replication?


I didn't add that point just for effect - to me, it's probably the most believable reason we are yet to irrigate the deserts and expand our influence to outer space - We are being farmed, for lack of a better word, by the uber wealthy and unless people are able to take their power back - literally or metaphorically - things will only continue to get worse in terms of rights, freedom, etc, globally.

I don't mind if people think I'm crazy for saying that! A certain few will read this and agree with me, having also made those connections. It only seems logical to me at this point.. Uncomfortable to think about it but you can't deny that it's a possibility worth considering, and if it's true then it's probably all that's preventing OUR progress.

The B. Franklin quote comes to mind -
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

That's all people seem to want to do, around where I live anyway.. as if by design.

Over unity is not just a curiosity for me, it's become a serious fascination.. The implications are just too vast to fully comprehend. What brings me to such conclusions, that such nefarious people are at work is partly the ignorance and lack of interest in all this.. Listen to Eric Dollard talk about it.. or Tom Bearden .. Bedini himself.. Lindemann .. countless others that I have listened to so far. They all give conclusions that are eerily similar and most if not all of these historic people claim to have been attacked / had labs destroyed, Christ - there's hundreds of hours of interviews with these people.. It's pretty damning stuff. I'm not saying it for the sake of it.. Would appreciate a good explanation otherwise, because with electrical physics having been truncated some 120 years ago, we are working with a incomplete model, and all cards are on the table as I see it.

Coming from England where (IMO) our political system has been sabotaged and our economy / country is seemingly sinking by the decisions of the Ultra wealthy, with a looming energy crisis that could be avoided even by traditional means were our best interests in mind - personally, I trust the words of these long dead inventors infinitely more than the known lies which so effortlessly spew from their mouths, day in, day out.

I hope you see sense in what I'm saying.. I consider myself a rational person, but dealing with that thought process is pretty taxing, when no one else seems to see the point that I am trying to make.
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A device is working in one location, but not in another? There are some differing hypothesis about how it should work and how it has to be tuned. If some of this hypothesis are correct, then it should be replicable at any place by a skilled person, isn't it?

I believe I touched on this point a few times in the past.

Any time we are dealing with HV and/or HF leakage becomes an issue. The most common problem is relative humidity or component materials absorbing moisture. At which point an insulator can become a semi-conductor ie. "A semiconductor is a material which has an electrical conductivity value falling between that of a conductor, such as copper, and an insulator, such as glass". Leakage is my nemesis and it's very difficult to avoid in some instances.

The absorbed water vapor on insulators/conductors can also form a double layer ie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_layer_(surface_science). This can change conductivity and capacitance or modulate both causing problems.

Here is a good article...
https://library.automationdirect.com/corona-discharge-and-high-voltage-leaks-issue-12-2008/

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How do you see OU effects, but not achieve the goal?


   Vidura:  You don't... you can't get there, without getting there. There are no substitutes. You don't want to build anything that self runs, but, you want to what? Your tests are not getting you anywhere.
You have to look outside the box, of conventional logic. There is nothing conventional about this build. I know that you think that you are right, but, you're not. Time will tell... and I'm trying to help you really "understand" as a Slav, who are the only ones that KNOW, how to build these devices. Before they all die out, like Kapanadze. Everyone else, is just guessing...

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   Vidura:  You don't... you can't get there, without getting there. There are no substitutes. You don't want to build anything that self runs, but, you want to what? Your tests are not getting you anywhere.
You have to look outside the box, of conventional logic. There is nothing conventional about this build. I know that you think that you are right, but, you're not. Time will tell... and I'm trying to help you really "understand" as a Slav, who are the only ones that KNOW, how to build these devices. Before they all die out, like Kapanadze. Everyone else, is just guessing...

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Are you saying that you know how these devices work, and that they are actually OU?

Can you post details of your working replication, with indications of OU?

   
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Hi Nick I will try to explain. In first place you are right regarding the tuning between the coils to the correct wavelength. I am aware of that and will come to this step. But I am not interested in light up a150w lamp with a kacher, using 180w of input. Note that the scope of this topic is researching the involved principles, and not to replicate a device. IMO a device cannot be made before the knowledge of its principles is gained. It is like putting the chart in front of the horses. Despite that there might be a few successful builds, maybe achieved by a lot of trial and error, collecting empirical data.  But it turns out that they are not replicable, therefore I argue that the principles are not understood, or erroneous.
A device is working in one location, but not in another? There are some differing hypothesis about how it should work and how it has to be tuned. If some of this hypothesis are correct, then it should be replicable at any place by a skilled person, isn't it? This is the reason why I am searching for the knowledge, to make new technologies available for the benefit of mankind.
Hopefully now you understand my intention.
Regards Vidura


   Vidura:  In the first place you don't know if I'm right, or not. As you have not made the tests, nor built the device, that I have. Yet, you assume you are right about everything you've said, even though you can't show any proof, nor have built anything that works, so far.
  If your intentions don't match up with reality, and don't result in an actual self running device, it is of little use to "mankind".
 So, that is why I try to help you out, as you will see. This is more than just about you or me, or our  opinions.
   Also, in this case, if you don't consider replication of a real self runner, important, then, good luck with that. At this point, you are just guessing. And that won't cut it. Nor will conventional electronics logic. As you will see...
 

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