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Why is "the process of excitation or ionisation of nearby conductors by the scalar waves of potential" the most crucial effect?  What causes this effect?
What is the "phaseshift" supposed to do?
Reviewing the topic I found this question.
Here I have to correct my statement, and be more precise:  Regarding the transmission of scalar potential, as I understand it is propagating across the dielectric, which can be matter, or simply space. The dielectric , consisting of dipoles, are polarised by high frequency potential, or short pulses with fast rise-time. This produces a coherent electric wavefront propagating towards the receiver. But actually the most important thing  to extract energy from the environment is the phase-shift between potential and excitation or ionization level. Why? Because similar as in thermodynamic  when pressure and temperature are in phase, there is no energy exchange with the environment. The (thermal) energy contained in the medium remains there when pressure and temperature changes simultaneously. Only when the maximum values of the parameters occurs at different time, the pumping process starts. The same for potential and atomic excitement, when these parameters are time differing, then an energy exchange with the environment can be expected. And depending on how the gradient is set, we could achieve pumping of atomic excitement, or stimulate oscillations in the medium. Of our interest would be the latter of course, as from the oscillations of electrons useful work can be obtained.
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Quote from Grumpy:Reviewing the topic I found this question.
Here I have to correct my statement, and be more precise:  Regarding the transmission of scalar potential, as I understand it is propagating across the dielectric, which can be matter, or simply space. The dielectric , consisting of dipoles, are polarised by high frequency potential, or short pulses with fast rise-time. This produces a coherent electric wavefront propagating towards the receiver. But actually the most important thing  to extract energy from the environment is the phase-shift between potential and excitation or ionization level. Why? Because similar as in thermodynamic  when pressure and temperature are in phase, there is no energy exchange with the environment. The (thermal) energy contained in the medium remains there when pressure and temperature changes simultaneously. Only when the maximum values of the parameters occurs at different time, the pumping process starts. The same for potential and atomic excitement, when these parameters are time differing, then an energy exchange with the environment can be expected. And depending on how the gradient is set, we could achieve pumping of atomic excitement, or stimulate oscillations in the medium. Of our interest would be the latter of course, as from the oscillations of electrons useful work can be obtained.
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Well-said, and I think it serves as a good theoretical foundation to build a model on. :)
The trick will finding a good mechanism to achieve this that's still consistent with established principles.
We have several possible avenues to explore with this, such as parametric variation of L/C, hysteresis, curie-points, seebeck, bremsstrahlung, and likely plenty others.

The nice thing using a concept-first approach is that one does not necessarily need to build a 'self-runner' to demonstrate synthesis/destruction of energy.  Just enough to demonstrate the principle, like building a high-school magnet motor. :P


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I don't see how the concepts in this thread can lead to an OU device.
   

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I don't see how the concepts in this thread can lead to an OU device.

The absolute core concept I suspect is that of a heat pump, and how it can achieve COP>1.
In that case, thermal energy is assumed to be ever-present in usable quantities, and efficient pumping+manipulation of it is what allows us to achieve COP>1 heating/cooling capability.

Of course that doesn't give us anything directly engineerable in the EE world, but it does show the similar elements to look for, notably having the equivalent of an elastic working fluid capable of absorption and emission.


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Dear Hakasays.

In your recent post with the Stirling cycle engine, this is an area that I’ve had a great deal of practical experience with. Having built several different working models over the years. I still have a kit or two available lol.

The Phillips Rhombic engine from the late 1950’s was almost as fuel efficient as the average Petrol engine of the time.

Something that I don’t know is whether anyone has tried using the “ gas absorption “ refrigerator principle in a Stirling cycle engine design. In my opinion this should greatly increase the overall efficiency of the engine because the heat at the hot end makes the cold end. The condenser radiators heat could then be cycled back to the hot end.

I have also wondered if Tesla and his liquid Nitrogen production equipment was thinking about using ambient air to do work by a reverse action flame licker/gulper vacuum engine? 

The photo is of a half scale replica of the Robinson patent hot air engine from a kit that I produce. The video is of my recently restored 1880’s Lowne patent atmospheric engine. Imagine you filled the cooling tank with liquid Nitrogen, it would run on the air surrounding it….

https://youtu.be/RUkslYmSE_0

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Dear Hakasays.

In your recent post with the Stirling cycle engine, this is an area that I’ve had a great deal of practical experience with. Having built several different working models over the years. I still have a kit or two available lol.

The Phillips Rhombic engine from the late 1950’s was almost as fuel efficient as the average Petrol engine of the time.

Something that I don’t know is whether anyone has tried using the “ gas absorption “ refrigerator principle in a Stirling cycle engine design. In my opinion this should greatly increase the overall efficiency of the engine because the heat at the hot end makes the cold end. The condenser radiators heat could then be cycled back to the hot end.

I have also wondered if Tesla and his liquid Nitrogen production equipment was thinking about using ambient air to do work by a reverse action flame licker/gulper vacuum engine? 

The photo is of a half scale replica of the Robinson patent hot air engine from a kit that I produce. The video is of my recently restored 1880’s Lowne patent atmospheric engine. Imagine you filled the cooling tank with liquid Nitrogen, it would run on the air surrounding it….

https://youtu.be/RUkslYmSE_0

Cheers Graham.
I wish you'd build a wood burning engine with an attachment for a car alternator. Now that would be practical free energy - (Assuming you have access to free wood.) Plus you'd sell loads. It's also technically carbon neutral....


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What we also need is a nice (FE) source for hydrogen !
Grum please keep the little grey cells pondering how to use that (H)

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Luv that flame gulping wee beastie !
It’s really something special !!

Thanks for sharing


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I wish you'd build a wood burning engine with an attachment for a car alternator. Now that would be practical free energy - (Assuming you have access to free wood.) Plus you'd sell loads. It's also technically carbon neutral....

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

   

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Dear Hakasays.

In your recent post with the Stirling cycle engine, this is an area that I’ve had a great deal of practical experience with. Having built several different working models over the years. I still have a kit or two available lol.

The Phillips Rhombic engine from the late 1950’s was almost as fuel efficient as the average Petrol engine of the time.

Something that I don’t know is whether anyone has tried using the “ gas absorption “ refrigerator principle in a Stirling cycle engine design. In my opinion this should greatly increase the overall efficiency of the engine because the heat at the hot end makes the cold end. The condenser radiators heat could then be cycled back to the hot end.

I have also wondered if Tesla and his liquid Nitrogen production equipment was thinking about using ambient air to do work by a reverse action flame licker/gulper vacuum engine? 

The photo is of a half scale replica of the Robinson patent hot air engine from a kit that I produce. The video is of my recently restored 1880’s Lowne patent atmospheric engine. Imagine you filled the cooling tank with liquid Nitrogen, it would run on the air surrounding it….

https://youtu.be/RUkslYmSE_0

Cheers Graham.

I think there is much to be learned from building+experimenting with model engines.  I've built a few myself these recent years.

We should start an 'engine' thread to cover things like steam engines, Tesla Turbines, and other novel/efficient setups like the Bourke engine ;D  They might not be OU directly, but it's useful and practical information and skill-building for someone working in direction.  Much like the famous 'DIY catalytic hydrocarbon cracking+refining+distillation' thread on EnergeticForum: http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/7255-how-to-turn-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply/page82


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I wish you'd build a wood burning engine with an attachment for a car alternator. Now that would be practical free energy - (Assuming you have access to free wood.) Plus you'd sell loads. It's also technically carbon neutral....
Mr King remember me from Overunity asking too many questions about JB's work got me kicked off I cant think why to be honest..Any way that was before I could ask the question below.

Any way you went out to Georgia–Lithuania and met Tariel Kapanadzeadsey in person and saw his device working first hand what I want to ask is do you have any HQ picks of the inside of any of his devices you can published on here or send to view, I would be very grateful if you could advise.

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To set the record straight I did not personally go out to Georgia. In retrospect it was a big mistake, but I had full confidence in the team which went out there.
My contribution was in setting it all up and getting the finance backer. I also outlined the specifications of  the device to be built with a special emphasis on "no fancy switching" during the test. With hind-sight I should have specified a device to run an electric vehicle - say a golf cart or even an EV.
All the high definition photographs have already published on overunity.com, so there is nothing more to glean.
The Kapanadze device is not an over unity device. It is a device which organises the electrons bombarding us daily from both the sun and the galaxy. (It even says so in his patent applications would you believe!)
Any research should start with quantifying the potential power of free homeless electrons in say a cubic meter of air in daytime, and comparing that to the available free electrons at night. My research indicates 2:1 in favour of the day (by scouring various info on the net).
Once these electrons are organised, they are then fired through the load into an earth or air grounding.
Although I have studied Bearden, my experiments have indicated energy absorption from the background- ie  already present electrons. I think Bearden (either deliberately or by mistake) makes us all look for an impossible solution (zero point energy), when the simple solution is looking you in the face.
All the coils in any device have to be the same length or a multiple or division of each other to stay in resonance.
When I asked Kapanadze about creating a “One MW” device and whether we would need any special diodes or other specialised equipment, all he said was that he only needed to MEASURE THE WIRES.
The other principle to consider is electrostatic induction caused by only charging up one side of a cap and letting the earth ground charge up the other side.
Everything I have just told you is right there in Kapanadze’s patent schematics.
I have given  this information  to Verpies, when I spoke to him on a number of occasions about a year ago.
If you want to do serious research, I suggest we create a private forum by invite only - including private zoom meetings etc. I wrould trust Grumage to organise  it.
In any case all the above information is available on overunitycom - just follow my posts.
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All the coils in any device have to be the same length or a multiple or division of each other to stay in resonance.
When I asked Kapanadze about creating a “One MW” device and whether we would need any special diodes or other specialised equipment, all he said was that he only needed to MEASURE THE WIRES.
The other principle to consider is electrostatic induction caused by only charging up one side of a cap and letting the earth ground charge up the other side.
Everything I have just told you is right there in Kapanadze’s patent schematics.
I have given  this information  to Verpies, when I spoke to him on a number of occasions about a year ago.
If you want to do serious research, I suggest we create a private forum by invite only - including private zoom meetings etc. I wrould trust Grumage to organise  it.
In any case all the above information is available on overunitycom - just follow my posts.

Based on your understanding, could you diagram the simplest schematic or experiment that might demonstrate the critical part of this process?   Doesn't even have to be OU, just some kind of signal/indicator to help guide in the right direction :)
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Simplest way to harness the ambient flow of particles to earth, so to speak, is the passive Ewe Jarcke device. (search this forum)
It receives with a bar magnet and funnel coil.

I am pretty sure the TPU moves fields of, who knows what, on its own.
   
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   As every self runner that has been shown is running at totally different frequencies, "measure the coils"  is the only solution. That was what I did, as per the instruction. Grenade output coil 37.5 meters, and inductor coil 1/2 that. That may be the best advice to follow.
Otherwise, there is no sync to the coils. Kacher needs to be tuned for resonance to the induction circuits. And you'll need some tuning caps like the 2000 volt 0.47uf wima caps. As used in Ruslan's 5000 watt device.
Kapanadze had no scope, nor signal generator, etc...
   But, the main issue now is, that nobody wants to build anything, that works. Just talk...as most replicators have lost faith, and have  given up. Not to mention that Ruslan, Akula, Stalker and any other inventors of self runners, have stopped posting, not to be heard from again.  No bueno...

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Based on your understanding, could you diagram the simplest schematic or experiment that might demonstrate the critical part of this process?   Doesn't even have to be OU, just some kind of signal/indicator to help guide in the right direction :)
I have already done it and told Verpies about it including the principle  of operation.
It was an experiment conducted by a Ukrainian agricultural university PHD student, in which he hit "Overunity" which was in fact harnessing available electrons and had nothing to do with OU. However the University were puzzled by the apparent OU results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAZFe4HNMw&t=22s
30 minutes in is the circuit diagram and discussion.
I suggest you download the video as Patrick has passed on.


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Kapanadze had no scope, nor signal generator, etc...

I do not think that, as it was customary to consider Georgia backward in the USSR.
What was such a problem to get an oscilloscope for personal use, even in Soviet times in Georgia.
There were many different research institutes in Tbilisi. There was even an enterprise for the production of integrated circuits in Tbilisi. ELVA  :)
   

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I have already done it and told Verpies about it including the principle  of operation.
It was an experiment conducted by a Ukrainian agricultural university PHD student, in which he hit "Overunity" which was in fact harnessing available electrons and had nothing to do with OU. However the University were puzzled by the apparent OU results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAZFe4HNMw&t=22s
30 minutes in is the circuit diagram and discussion.
I suggest you download the video as Patrick has passed on.

Thanks much, I will have a gander



Simplest way to harness the ambient flow of particles to earth, so to speak, is the passive Ewe Jarcke device. (search this forum)
It receives with a bar magnet and funnel coil.

I am pretty sure the TPU moves fields of, who knows what, on its own.

Haven't seen before, thanks as well.   It's an interesting setup but being so unlike what we're used to that will likely make it harder to replicate.


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The Kapanadze device is not an over unity device. It is a device which organises the electrons bombarding us daily from both the sun and the galaxy. (It even says so in his patent applications would you believe!)
Any research should start with quantifying the potential power of free homeless electrons in say a cubic meter of air in daytime, and comparing that to the available free electrons at night. My research indicates 2:1 in favour of the day (by scouring various info on the net).
Once these electrons are organised, they are then fired through the load into an earth or air grounding. Air grounding heats the device up and can cause failure. (Kapanadze told me this). So now you have potentially the principle of operation of Don Smith, Kapanadze, and Steven Marks's TPU.
If  OU devices do exist or not would be only a matter of definition, as energy ca not be created -destroyed there can only be devices to collect or transform energy. Regarding the principles there is nothing specific in all the last posts.@ akin.21 you didn't say nothing new, it is well known that there are free electrons in the atmosphere, as well as in any peace of wire. So what makes them carry energy to power the load and the device? What is the physical principles in you opinion?
@ Nickz  You are very confident to be on the right track, could you be more specific about your observations that make you believe to be so very close to the goal. The videos you reffed to are now dated like 3 years ago, any updates of your findings?
Regarding posts about thermodynamic machines it is a very interesting and inspiring area of physics, we might start a separate topic fo this, so I can keep this topic focused on the theoretical physics of selfrunning electric generators.
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Haven't seen before, thanks as well.   It's an interesting setup but being so unlike what we're used to that will likely make it harder to replicate.

Proper spelling is "Uwe Jarcke", the inventors name:
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If  OU devices do exist or not would be only a matter of definition, as energy ca not be created -destroyed there can only be devices to collect or transform energy. Regarding the principles there is nothing specific in all the last posts.@ akin.21 you didn't say nothing new, it is well known that there are free electrons in the atmosphere, as well as in any peace of wire. So what makes them carry energy to power the load and the device? What is the physical principles in you opinion?

Regards Vidura.
Electrostatic induction at a sufficiently high rate to power a house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAZFe4HNMw&t=22s
30 minutes in is the circuit diagram and discussion.
I suggest you download the video as Patrick has passed on.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAZFe4HNMw&t=22s
30 minutes in is the circuit diagram and discussion.
I suggest you download the video as Patrick has passed on.
The first hypothesis I was following was based on electric induction(Coulomb) but in my tests it was not possible to proof this working, not when high frequencies are involved.
Regarding Don Smith I do not agree with his flawed theories.
Energy increase at square of frequency?????
Energy per cycle remains constant thus increase linearly with frequency! For example...
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Electrostatic induction at a sufficiently high rate to power a house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAZFe4HNMw&t=22s
30 minutes in is the circuit diagram and discussion.
I suggest you download the video as Patrick has passed on.

Later video of a Solovey replication:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv1rLk1Fq_8

Does anyone have the PDF's of these two videos?
   
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