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BTG Research (please only posts related to practical work) « on: 2022-12-23, 00:59:54 »
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Hello all, as some members of this forum came to the Beyond Unity site and showed interest for my work, I will import this thread. I began the research on this type of generators some years ago in the Above unity forum. It is intended as a practical research based on a consolidated hypothesis of the principle of operation. Please note that in the beginning of the research there might be some erroneous concepts or statements, which are corrected or updated in the progress of the investigation. The thread is dedicated to the BTG devices like the ones shown by Ruslan, Dally and Akula and other similar constructions. The Goal is to gain knowledge about the involved principals, and hopefully to achieve a working and replicable self-feeding machine.
We will in a first step go in systematic manner thru the different parts of the device and make different kinds of experiments and tests to get basic understanding of how these devices are working, and the interaction of the different parts. Also, we will collect information from various sources from the original Builders.
The First Part of the device we will cover is the push-pull converter. Its function is pumping charges, an analogy would be the electron-gun in the CRT, it is the source of charges. There is no magic in this part, it is just common EM technology, there are different topologies which could be used, half or full bridge would be suitable. For low frequency devices like the Kapagen also an of the shelf silicone steel transformer could be used. It is important that the output is AC. In the research we will stick to the push-pull topology for the ease of switching the two low side IGBT's. Here some images from testing this stage:
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #1 on: 2022-12-23, 01:06:32 »
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Here I will post some details of my Kacher circuit, but first I want you make aware of some safety and health considerations.
The Kacher resonator, when properly built, can be a very powerful device. In some occasions, when I accidentally touched the hot area of the coil-antenna system, I received immediately strong RF burnings on the skin, leaving white burned strains on the smoking fingers. Also, metallic objects close to the device can become electrified. In some cases, the Radiation of the Intense E-field has caused me headaches after a few minutes next to the running device. According Russian researches a prolonged exposure can lead to micro clusters in the blood, and cause thrombosis. So, if you decide to experiment with this device, you do it on your own risk, and should consider the recommendations to avoid burnings, and limit the time of the experiments, maintaining distance if at all possible. Take specially care if you rise the voltage and power rates, when using power transistors to drive the coil.
After having stated this, let's come to the details:
The basic Kacher-Brovin circuit for the E-field generation is as the one posted by Lostfox:


 
The traces highlighted in red have to be as short and thick as possible, the capacitors mounted close to the switch and primary. The earth ground connection close to the emitter of the transistor. The Primary coil should be wound with thick wire >6mm2, and a loose coupling to the secondary. Normally a few turns are sufficient. The transistor should be High frequency, with a good Amp. Rating and low hfe factor. From what I had at hands, the 13009 worked best. For higher power ratings I joined three units in parallel, with a good heatsink.
In my circuit I use an adjustable R2, the base voltage should be adjusted to slightly above 0.5V. In My unit I also mounted a modulation switch, this allows to perform amplitude modulation by tying the base to ground periodically. Below some detailed images from my circuit:
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #2 on: 2022-12-23, 01:09:21 »
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Hello Friends.
As promised in continuation I will share some thoughts about the latest posts. In first place Lostfox is right that the effect seen in his video can also been achieved with other transformers connected back to back. Member TamasEduard.com has posted an experiment with two transformers in https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/tesla-wireless-power-transmission-longitudinal-transmission/ . He also did an experiment  which seems to be inspired by prof. Meyls  work, similar the one by Lostfox.  We have to be cautious not to fool ourselves with this. The behaviour of the lamps is clearly an impedance phenomenon, there can be AU , but this cannot be granted with this test. What happens is that under certain resonance conditions the impedance of the input seen by the power source drops considerably, and so does the voltage, if the power source is of low power. Meyl was very clear about this in the interview, the measurements of the DC output and the led indicators can give us an approximation , but is in no way a substitute for a HF measurement. He was very cautious with the response to the questions related to AU, and clarified that the scalar wave transmission can be AU under certain environment conditions. The led indicators are very helpful for tuning, and almost certainly the resonant condition which makes decrease the transmitter impedance is a condition to achieve AU. Expressing my thoughts as simple as possible, I would give this description: If the correct conditions are given, it is like  if the receiver attracts the power from the transmitter, extracting the available power from the latter, and this condition makes it possible to absorb additional power from the environment. Possibly in the simple setup of our replication only the power from the supply is depleted, and that is why  old scientist in his experiment employed an impedance correction, to get the right conditions for the energy inflow from the environment, and suppress the power drawing from the source. With the measurements made with his high end equipment, it can be confirmed  that AU have been achieved.
As most of us do not own these expensive equipment, we should at least try to measure the input power, preferable DC, voltage and current both. As possibility the input supplied to the signal source for example. If the power consumption is substantially less than the output, then we are certainly on something.
   
Below a playlist of videos from the experiments related to the research:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbhv9RvImM8z4rsOpyOK0vSbgR49WGndK
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #3 on: 2022-12-23, 01:11:10 »
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Hey All,
Here some images from my replication of the scalar transmission experiment:
The setup: two identical tesla transformers aprox. 4T primary 500T secondary. Driven by a half bridge powered from power supply via capacitor voltage divider; in order to monitor the input power. The signal is fed from the SG, square wave 50% dty. As load two arrays of antiparallel LEDs are used TX side 30v 9w , RX side 33v 10w. On the scope the voltage o the TX primary is shown, and the other trace the E-field captured by the unconnected scope probe. At the point of resonance(LMD) the TX LEDs are dimly lit, while the RX side gives a quite bright output, despite of the higher forward  voltage.
As suspected, at resonance the impedance of the circuit drops, and current increases, but there is a second resonant point, where the current goes up further, without the RX LED lit(perhaps the TEM radiation)
By approaching the hand on certain places, a kind of fine-tuning can be achieved.
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #4 on: 2022-12-23, 01:13:14 »
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Vidura posted this 04 August 2022 - Last edited 3 weeks ago
Back to the BTG: the way that the E-field energy is transmitted to the output coil seems to be thru the nearfield, which is a scalar wave. The latest test indicates that the most efficient receiving coil is the one according to this schematic:

I have tried the Grenade coil as by Kapanadze, it also performs well, but not as good as the above one. And using the completely cancelling coil setup, there is virtually no reception. In the comparison of this three different coil configuration I have used the same wirelength (electrical antenna length) which was for the TX side (kacher): 34.7 mtr.(quarter wavelength) And the RX reception coil: 23.13 mtr. , Which is approximately 34.7*2= 69.4(half wavelength) / 3 = 23.13 mtr.(third harmonic).
I have planned to make another test with a fundamental wavelength reception coil with 69.4 mtr. length.
 
Vidura posted this 04 August 2022 - Last edited 3 weeks ago

I did a test with the RX coil corresponding to the half wavelength of the fundamental frequency (69.4mtr). I had only a 0.5 mm2 wire at hand, the output has slightly increased, despite of the thin wire gauge. The insertion of the copper pipe also gives around 30% more output. When the coil terminals are swapped referred to the schematic, the cancelling half connected to the ground, the light bulb barley glows. This information should be useful to rise the potential of a coil by injection of an E-field. It is in accordance with the hypothesis of the different impedance of the coil sections.


Some thoughts that I wanted to share. In these systems (BTG)it has to be very clear, that only mixing two waves of different frequencies will not add additional power by default. There are at least two conditions necessary to get: the modulation of the HV wave has to be in phase with the lower frequency oscillation, and very important, only one polarity of the former have to be applied. Like Ruslan explained, "we need only one half of Tesla, otherwise she will take away what she gives"
There are different scenarios possible to achieve this, if we stick to the schematics, it seems that the rectifier stage on the output would allow only one polarity to be received. But other ways seem to be possible. Specially I was thinking to apply a DC offset voltage of aprox. 1/2 Vpp of the TC output, in order to shift the AC sine wave into a pulsed DC working point. In the beginning of the research, I also considered direct rectification of the TC output, but tests have shown this very difficult, at least with a reasonable efficiency. Another way would be to charge a capacitor with HV, and use a spark gap, the discharge would give a unipolar pulse. This is what Kapanadze did, but the coil where the pulse is injected need to have a strong dampening factor, otherwise it will turn into AC cause of the oscillations, and the asymmetry will be lost. So, in the coming experiments I will try to figure out the best way to implement unipolar pulses to the system.
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #5 on: 2022-12-23, 01:14:47 »
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Vidura posted this 04 August 2022 - Last edited 04 August 2022

 
Post by l0stf0x on Feb 6, 2021 at 4:19am
What confuses me is the simplicity of Don smith's coiling, comparing to the complexity of the BTG coiling.
I like your thoughts, Vidura! I am still working on BTG like you do... and I agree 100%.
The cap with spark gap for me looks to be the best and easiest way!
still experimenting... I will update soon 
 

 
Post by baerndorfer on Feb 6, 2021 at 6:13pm
thank you for the video-series! iave subscribed to your channel but never received a notification. this is confusing...
thanks for describing your setup in great detail!
 
Hi baerndorfer,
Yes, this video's and some more are unlisted, that's why no notification is emitted. In this case I use YouTube only for sharing videos Here with known members. There is more information in the original thread in the AU forum, also other tier2 threads which are not published for the moment. You will see when the forum goes online again.
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Vidura posted this 04 August 2022
Hello Friends,
Regarding the denomination BTG, some have asked at the beginning of the thread what's the meaning. I found that it stands for fuel less generator, coined by N.Tesla.
So it could be used in general for many different self-feeding devices.
Anyway the thread focus specially in antenna-coil systems.
Then I wanted to share the following video from old scientist, a very intriguing experiment. The comment about the needed waveform calle my attention, and might apply for others devices also?
https://youtu.be/cZsidu9BYjg
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #6 on: 2022-12-23, 01:25:43 »
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Vidura posted this 04 August 2022
Quoting Chris:
My Friends,
I feel this post of Vidura's is one very important post!
Each Terminal on the end of the Coil must be at the extreme opposite polarity. Either one Max Negative and one Max Positive, or One Max Positive and one Zero or neutral, depending on what Electrical science one believes.
Please excuse my rough math, at 1 MHz the wavelength is: 299.792458 METERS.
That means, one needs a Coil Length of: 299.792458 METERS. Not practical right!
So, we use a harmonic, and our Coil has a length that matches our Harmonic and we increase our Input by a factor of magnitude.
Best Wishes,
    Chris
Hey Friends,
I have not been able to continue the research lately, due time restrictions. Chris is right with this, note the statement of old scientist, regarding the scalar transmission, also the polarity of TX and Rx antenna are opposite. Very similar the magnetic resonance where the magnetic vectors have to be opposed.
Another quote regarding the wave and antenna lengths. Konstantin Meyl:
Referring to Tesla's wireless energy transmission, "what most people don't know is that the Transmitter is quarter wavelength and the receiver half wavelength."
I believe that we have to achieve a constructive resonance between the E antenna and the magnetic loop at the reception.
Vidura.
cd_sharp:
Hey, my friends
I'm not sure, can this be applied to POCs where the Transmitter is the helping POC and the Receiver is the input coil?
Stay strong!
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Vidura posted this 07 August 2022 - Last edited 08 August 2022
Now I will post some additional theoretical details of the involved principles in the BTG device. With his kind permission some of Sergey Deinas Work and Experiments are shown in the following posts.  It is necessary to understand in detail the nature of standing waves which are involved in this device. It will be helpful to reread the topic and watch the animations in this post
We can see in the animation of the standing wave that it is not at all stationary.
Note that the sine shaped graphics represents a scalar value of the pressure, which is changing the sign over time, and the standing wave nodes of pressure are remaining stationary. For the value of displacement, the nodes are phase shifted by 90°relative to the pressure nodes.
Nikolas Tesla used mostly longitudinal standing waves in his resonators, think about why he was so concerned to avoid streamers and (Hertzian-) emissions in his apparatus. He wanted to avoid losses due to ionization of the air and EM-emissions. He wanted to concentrate the energy in the scalar wave emission.  In such resonators (for example Tesla coils), like in the analogue of sound waves, two standing waves are simultaneously present. A voltage (pressure) wave and a current (displacement) wave. In resonant conditions they are phase shifted by 90°.
Remember also that we learned in the above-mentioned thread that positive charges are bound in the Cristal lattice of the (solid)conductor and only the negative charges are moving freely(valence electrons).
In the following video an electrostatic experiment is shown, which was suggested as principal for OU machines by Sergey Deina. The device can run for hours producing electric pulses without depletion of the charges in the plastic ruler:
Electrostatics3 by Sergey Deina
https://youtu.be/h_xf9AvPmhU
For those who are interested, I will attach the file in Russian, so it can be translated to a convenient languish for anyone:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WhJZTFm3JzNmHS5m5R5CZUrEOTZ5R-Xd/view
For the first method of energy extraction, we can imagine that the voltage antinodes are the perfect analogies for the charged plastic ruler in the experiment. In place of the metallic spheres non inductive windings or metal sheets could be capacitive coupled to the resonator. A sceptic person could of course argument, that the energy of the pulses could be added by the rotation of the capacitance(sphere). But if we think about the attracting or repelling coulomb forces it becomes clear, that with a correct timing of the output switching it is possible to get positive feedback, without affecting the source dipole. In the next post we will go into more detail of another possible method of energy extraction from a resonator.
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #7 on: 2022-12-23, 01:43:00 »
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Bird_eye posted this 08 August 2022 - Last edited 08 August 2022
"""Correct timing " is of course sense a lot of,
When you touch directly from the shaft of flywheel,
In order to cover full-cycle  as carry out gyroscopic effect work by  itself during the absence of pulse"""" timing is everythig""".
without impulse also POC coil is not able to do anything as it is symmetrical  itself.
But when you able to touch shaft in indirect-way  you will just see that time is death and spinnig uninterruptedly continue.
Regards.
This is the story in between the capacitance and inductance.
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Vidura posted this 08 August 2022
In the above post I attached a link for the file in which the experiment and its underlying principles are described. In this context it becomes clear that replacing the static (DC)charge of the plastic ruler by a longitudinal resonator the antinodes change the polarity with the resonant frequency (AC). This is the reason why the energy extraction requires a synchronized switching to avoid dampening of the resonator. The cycle when the potential is rising and pulling charges from the ground has not to be disturbed, only when the potential is falling the excess charges should be dumped into a capacitor or load. And regarding the coulomb forces, as only negative charges are able to move in a solid conductor, it might be convenient to make use only of a quarter of the period (only one polarity) for charge extraction. The Idea is to get work from the attracting force between unlike charges, without a dampening effect on the resonator caused by repelling of like charges in the cycle of falling potential.
 
The second method of energy collection from a resonator is quite different, as it is not based on the action of coulomb forces. In the thread about the "concepts of AU devices" I made an introduction on the physical principal of this method, which has analogies with the heat pump. The most BTG devices published on the internet are based on this second method. In the before mentioned thread we have extensively covered the topic of excitement and ionisation of atoms, from the Frank-Hertz experiment, the principal of the laser and the specific energy quanta for different elements and/or electron shells. The essence is that an atom of a specific element can be excited only by a matching amount of energy (for example a specific potential of EMF, or a photon of a specific wavelength). If the amount of energy is greater or less, the atom is not capable to absorb it, and rise the electrons to higher orbitals.  Therefore, it could be required to feed precisely calibrated pulses to these devices, beside the matching frequency for the resonator.
Vidura posted this 15 August 2022
Hi Friends,
In this post I would like to share some thoughts about the document of the kapanadze thread from the Russian forum, which have been shared by Bird_eye. Thanks a lot for the valuable information in first place. The mentor with nickname Johnlis is a knowledgeable man, and it is likely that he was successful with the replication. I think that it is really worthwhile to follow the tutorial and give it a try. So, it will be the next Project as soon I finish the one, I am actually working on. The explanation is really sound, and the analogy with the gyroscope is very useful for an intuitive understanding of the process, although very simplified, lacking some details... But good enough to get it working, I think. So, it could be a good one for a practical experience thread in teamwork, what do you think?
I agree with you, Vidura. I didn't read carefully the entire document, I intend to do so as in the next 3 weeks, even if I'll be away from Bucharest (therefore from my equipment) and I can't do experiments, I'll have a lot more time to read and think.
Still, from what I did read fast I found some things I didn't knew before or didn't think about before. There are also possible answers to some questions I had about my ZPM behaviour.
The document is for sure very valuable and all credits for gathering the information go to Bird_eye, thank you!
I recommend you guys to read is as it may offer a different point of view and also, considering your advanced knowledge in physics and electronics, your understanding may be different than my understanding.
Regards,
Fighter
 
Gandalf posted this 15 August 2022 - Last edited 15 August 2022
Thank you for the document  ; I'm currently reading - some things are new to me
https://youtu.be/AgbDOIwoXJE
" that’s why we see on the oscilloscope screen waves are start dancing because there are two plane just overlap together." - time in movie 1:05
 
Regards
Gandalf
Vidura posted this 22 October 2022
Hi All As there are some more participants on the forum now, I decided to move the thread to a public sector. Latest experiments have added some more information, so that the general concept will be updated in the following posts.

Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago - Last edited 4 weeks ago
Hi all. In this post I will share two videos of experiments related to the scalar wave pulses emitted by a longitudinal resonant coil. The first video was posted in a thread with restricted access before, but in order to open the discussion for other readers, I continue in this thread. We can find the implementation of this pulses throughout many OU devices, as eternal flash lights, Kapanadze generator, various BTG and also Floyd Sweet's SQM. For this reason, I believe that it is one of the key principles of these devices, and it is related to the parametric resonance.
https://youtu.be/m8C5VEWkwkc
https://youtu.be/ImgwvHmJP4Q

 
It is likely that a second principle is involved, quite difficult to isolate from the former. Still, we need more information and result from different tests.
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #8 on: 2022-12-23, 01:57:29 »
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Jagau posted this 4 weeks ago - Last edited 4 weeks ago
Hi Vidura
 The experiments with this guy on the resonator seem very much to yours, maybe it can help you, there are 6 other videos like this one on his channel
https://youtu.be/nkMndCsNRQU
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Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago - Last edited 4 weeks ago
Another short experience:
https://youtu.be/IrgdgGuJQvA

Jagau, these are basic experiments about the antinodes of current, it is not exactly what I wanted to show. The idea is to learn more about the property of the emissions of free oscillations of a resonant coil. There are weird things, it is not like an RF antenna coupling it seems to me.

Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago - Last edited 4 weeks ago
 
Hi Vidura,
an interesting thread you have here.
This post / video for example:
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/btg-research/?p=&order=all#comment-0012ef69-8926-4d22-80a0-aee6006bc8c2
shows nicely how much reactive power there is in such a push pull driven series LC combination.
In my Ruslan replication, i measured 50A of reactive current going throug the coil making it hot within minutes.
It would be great to be able to harvest it somehow.
Another interesting topic is here:
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/btg-research/?p=1&order=all#comment-24dd5df5-06be-4409-9133-aee7006791f1
it concerns the kacher and how we need to get the kacher output (AC) to be transformed to pulsed DC (unipolar) as explained by Ruslan as:  "we need only one half of Tesla, otherwise she will take away what she gives"
Did you ever found an effective way to do that without using rectifiers (which did not work as i understand)?
Itsu
Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago
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Hi itsu, it is not difficult at all to remove power from an resonant system, but if there is no recovery of power simultaneously there will be no OU still, the oscillations will die out. Regarding the HF pulses, lately I believe that rectification is not needed, it seems to work like the pressure of sound waves, only the positive wavefront has an effect on nearby objects. Regarding the comment of Ruslan, it doesn't refer to the HF , but to the secondary resonator ( modulation winding , can be separate or combined with the output winding depending on the design). The HF pulses have to be in phase with the second quadrant of the period(potential). They have to be applied during not more than a quarter of the period, because then the current change the sign(direction). Therefore it is parametric excitation, a quarter of period corresponding to twice the frequency of the secondary oscillations. Remember the test for the resonance of the metglass core suggested by Yoelmicro, the excitation is a quarter of period (25%dtc).

Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago
Vidura,
thanks, so when you say "Regarding the HF pulses, lately I believe that rectification is not needed," do you mean that you have come back from your (2nd part) statement in the linked post where you say:
"There are at least two conditions necesary to get: the modulation of the HV wave has to be in phase with the lower frequency oscillation, and very important, only one polarity of the former
have to be applied".
I mean your "only one polarity of the former have to be applied" statement.
So the AC coming from the kacher (say 1.2MHz) is OK to use but only when in phase with the second quadrant of the period of the push pull frequency (say 24kHz)?
Thanks,  Itsu
Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago
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Yes this is correct, after making many experiments, I came to the conclusion that rectification is not needed, and maybe even not possible at such high frequencies. It can be done with unipolar pulses also I believe, but from another source, not a resonator. Sorry that I come with an analogue again, but if you like make the following test: put some small pieces, a few mm size of styrofoam in front of a speaker and turn on a loud sound, low frequency is better notable. You will see, the particles are always repelled, despite that the air molecules move in both directions. The pushing force is always stronger than the relaxation of a medium.
Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago
Vidura,
thanks again, so you agree with that "the AC coming from the kacher (say 1.2MHz) is OK to use but only when in phase with the second quadrant of the period of the push pull frequency (say 24kHz)".
Did you ever tried that?  I did, but i was not able to do it.
I made a quick LTspice simulation of 2 series LC circuits creating resonance sine waves, one on 24kHz, the other on 1.2MHz to show you my problem.
Green is the 24kHz sine wave, blue the 1.2MHz.
as can be seen this is not easily doable.
In the 1st picture we see the green 24kHz sine wave compared to the blue 1.2MHz sine wave and i have drawn in (pink area) a 2nd quadrant of the green 24kHz signal of 1 period.
So we need the 1.2MHz (blue) signal to be in phase with this 2nd quadrant of the 24kHz (green) signal, but
In the 2nd picture i zoomed in on this 2nd quadrant and as can be seen there are many periods of the 1.2MHz blue signal inside this quadrant.
So this was one of my problems then when i replicated the Ruslan setup.
Itsu
Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago - Last edited 4 weeks ago
This is correct, there can be as many periods of HF as fitting into the second quadrant, but NOT in the other three quadrants, therefore it is necessary to modulate the kacher with 25% dty, at the same 24khz as per your example. This is the way for the parametric excitation. Note that the quarter period pulstrain has to be on the output of the kacher, this has to be adjusted, as the resonator will not stop immediately due to its Q-factor.
   
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Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago
Vidura,
Ok, so i did modulate the kacher (or rather pulsed it) at the 24kHz frequency as can be seen here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg93638#msg93638
The screenshot shows in green the current through the series LC (24kHz) and in purple the pulse train driving the kacher and we can "move" that pulse train right through the four quadrants of the green current signal.
But despite long tests, no abnormal behaviour was seen, but it could be due to several other problems preventing any abnormality.
 
Regards Itsu
Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago
Have you used the HF source as by Stalker? The scope caption is from that circuit?

Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago
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Have you used the HF source as by Stalker? The scope caption is from that circuit?
Hi Vidura,
 
yes that is correct, we attempted to follow Stalker his approach and used his design and thoughts in trying to replicate the Ruslan device.
More details to be found in that long linked thread.
 
Itsu
 
 
Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago
I missed the video playlist from Vidura in his 2nd post here: https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/btg-research/?p=&order=all#comment-0012ef69-8926-4d22-80a0-aee6006bc8c2
This playlist to be found here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbhv9RvImM8z4rsOpyOK0vSbgR49WGndK contains a list of videos concerning the BTG including the kacher, push pull, antenna, Grenade etc. with valuable data and measurements.
Modulating (interupting) the kacher also is touched upon and showing the same problems i ran into (not able to get the kacher output sharply pulsed due to the ringing effect).
Thanks,   Itsu
Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago
Now I believe that I have already nearly achieved the modulation. Note that in the videos from Ruslan and Akula the modulation is not sharply defined, it looked like the shape of a fish. That is Okay, meanwhile the active portion fits in the corresponding quadrant. But it is very important that the phase is correct, and here it depends some on the design of the lower frequency resonator, it can be used as standing wave or traveling wave resonator and has to be driven accordingly. Regarding the response time of the Kacher-Brovin resonator, it depends a lot on the frequency. With higher frequencies it is much faster, but the drawback is that the potential gets lower cause of less turns. And for a good energy transfer of the scalar waves a few kV are needed...
Vidura
Itsu posted this 4 weeks ago - Last edited 3 weeks ago
Vidura,
in the videos from Ruslan and Akula and others which show a fish-like signal, i recall those signals were from either the Grenade coil or Inductor coil, not the kacher.
I personally think those fish-like signals shown from the Grenade / Inductor are artifacts from the scopes used, so a trigger problem / setting.
I was able to produce such fish-like signals on the Grenade / Inductor signals by "adjusting" the triggering of the scope, see this video around the 4:15 min time:
https://youtu.be/R1V9NREXfh0

Anyway, your modulated Kacher fish-like signals are real, but as you mentioned, the frequency of that modulation (pulse) is around 3kHz, so to low for the needed 24kHz or so we need (push pull).
But those are very interesting vidoes.
   
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Vidura posted this 3 weeks ago - Last edited 3 weeks ago
Hi All.
https://youtu.be/cjSw6r8NwVM
As already mentioned, the response for modulation of the Kacher-Brovin resonator is to a great extent depending on its resonant frequency and Q factor. The Higher the frequency, the faster is it response. On the other side we also need a sufficient high potential for an efficient scalar wave transmission. I commented on this in the video, there are some effects related to the potential. At a threshold voltage of around 3kv ionisation in the copper conductors occur. Also, streamers appear on the hot end on edges and points first and as the conductor length of the resonant coil decrease with higher frequencies, so less turns fits on it. Therefore, it will be necessary to overcome this to get sufficient potential. It can be done by increasing the supply voltage of the Kacher-Brovin driver, by reducing the turns on its primary winding, or by reducing the diameter of the secondary (resonator). With respect to the 24khz frequency, in the video I choose this only to show the possibility of modulation at this frequency, but we must understand that it could be any other, but always matching the resonance and quarter of period of the lower frequency resonator of course. In another post I will explain more in detail my hypothesis how this works, the interaction of the different components, and how energy is harnessed from the environment.
Vidura
Itsu posted this 3 weeks ago
Thanks Vidura,
very nice demonstration, the interrupted kacher signal can be very powerfull as i understand it.
Can you provide details (diagram) on how you interrupt the Kacher transistor with this little MOSFET you use?
Regards Itsu
Vidura posted this 3 weeks ago
@ itsu The Kacher driver is still under development, currently the inductance of the CT has to be adjusted for different frequencies, and I wanted to improve this. But If you wish to experiment with the current version I can share a schematic, when I get back to the pc I will upload it.

Vidura posted this 3 weeks ago - Last edited 3 weeks ago
Hi all , below the schematic of the Kacher driver circuit.
the filter inductors can be around 330uH, it's just the default value in the schematic
Note that the requirements for the layout are the same as described in the bipolar transistor version. Thick and short traces in the power lines, close to the decoupling capacitors. Also, the primary has to be a thick conductor or pipe. The inductance of the CT has to be chosen according to the resonator frequency, above 3-4mhz a simple loop of wire around the cold end of the resonator works better, below a ferrite toroid is ok. Accidentally I discovered that by adjusting the gap of a broken toroid the feedback can be calibrated well. Anyway, I will try to improve the driver further.
   
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Itsu posted this 3 weeks ago
 
Thanks Vidura,
looking nice, i will see if i can put it together and do some tests with it.
Looking forward to your improvements.
Itsu
 
Aliengrey posted this 3 weeks ago - Last edited 3 weeks ago
Hi Vidura, Some of your comments are very interesting and explain a lot and i thank you for that.
Any how, i'm interested in the video 7 regarding the biffilar wound layers you refer to, is there any  possibility of  an expilation or diagram on how you wound the coil perhaps a dragram could be possible.
Many thanks Sil
Vidura posted this 3 weeks ago - Last edited 3 weeks ago
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Thank you for the interest Aliengrey.
Ok let's go a bit more into details. The concept is basically that we want to transfer scalar waves from the HV-HF source, in our case the Kacher resonator to a secondary coil, for example grenade type. These scalar waves we can produce with a relative low cost of energy, despite of this they carry a huge potential. This waves are of electric nature, and propagate across dielectric mediums(like space or other). When they are intercepted by a conductor, a EMF is induced in the latter. This EMF can or cannot cause a flow of charges in the conductor, depending on its parameters of reactance(XL-XC) and the dV/dT of the incident waves. In the example of video 7 the conductor has two sections, the first(black wire) Is wound as a common spiral, and the second section(blue wire) is bifilar cancelling the magnetic vectors. This is the configuration, which had the best transfer of the incident waves(bifilar1):
   
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Vidura posted this 3 weeks ago
Hi all, as I was working on a new hardware, here some updates. First I wanted to clarify a few things regarding the general design concepts. There are various of this BTG type devices, which are all based on the same physical principles, but there are different engineer solutions and design options. Therefore, also some differences in the way how they are excited, how the resonator(s) are designed, and how the power for the load is extracted. When Ruslan was posting on the Russian forum, he gave a lot of hints and explanations (no schematics!), but few understood. One component of all these machines is the source of scalar waves or impulses. This can be a Tesla resonator, a Kacher-Brovin or a nano-pulser circuit. The other component which is present in all we could call the main resonator, which again can have various different hardware designs. As physical concept it can be designed as quarter wave resonator, halfwave and less common 3/4 or full wave for standing waves. This design requires a separate winding for the removal of power, as direct loading is not convenient. The other option is a traveling wave resonator, this requires at least one full wavelength for resonance, or multiples of it. The advantage is that in this case a direct removal of power (keeping the load fairly constant) should be possible. But it can also be done indirectly. Relaying on wave theory, there would be different driving methods convenient, as parametric for the standing wave resonators, and with the same resonant frequency and period, but phase shifted for traveling waves. With the new hardware I will be able to test this by experiment, proof or disproof these concepts.
Below the inverted signal for the modulation of the Kacher-Brovin for parametric excitation.
and a "reduced grenade coil" for inductance and resonance test(It's reduced due to the high copper prices, and I run out of stock :))
   
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Itsu posted this 2 weeks ago - Last edited 2 weeks ago
 
Thanks for showing Vidura,
So you use the Push Pull (yoke / toroid) around 18KhZ to drive the Grenade coil and series capacitors into series resonance.
Normally this series LC consists of the Inductor coil (around the lower part of the Grenade) and the series capacitors, but this is to show the relation between resonance signal and (inverted) modulation signal if i understand correctly.

Itsu
Vidura posted this 2 weeks ago
 
@Itsu
 
The images shows the relationship between the main resonator and the modulation signal, in this case for parametric excitation. Anyway for the layout with a grenade coil the signal should be extended to half of the period for better performance, as it is a circuit with lumped parameters, a travelling wave resonator.
 
If we consider the physical processes taking place in the BTG,  being the same as in the kapagen and the eternal flashlight, then it becomes clear that various layouts and combination of components are possible. I am very confident, that the only reason for such few replications are due to the lack of understanding this underlying principles. There are millions of skilled and smart people all over the planet, but without knowing what we have to look for, the chances to get this working are like a lucky strike in the lottery.
So we have a source of high energy scalar waves or pulses as one component, then we have the main resonator, which has a resonant frequency by orders lower (mostly!). In this main resonator the process of "energy pumping" takes place, or better a transformation from one form of energy into another form more convenient for us. It is something like a heat pump, but of course with other manifestations of energy.
Then there is another part, which has the function of dissipating a form of energy at a different level. If you familiarize yourself with the thermoacoustic machines, you can see the similitude, there has to be a gradient of temperature, hot on one part, and cold on another, and the oscillations will start by itself. In most BTG devices this is the grounding wire, which is usually quite long. At small energy levels it could be the chassis or enclosure of some components as well. Then there is usually another part, which is used for removal of the output power. It is not mandatory, but the process of removal has to be controlled some way, otherwise it could stop the main resonator. If we have a constant load, it could be linked directly to the main resonator, which will be in LCR resonance in this case, but it might be more unstable.
The main resonator can also be driven by a separate coil in LC series resonance and the push pull for example, as you have stated  above, but the process remains the same.
Itsu posted this 2 weeks ago
Hi Vidura,
Great info, so it’s the "main resonator" (Grenade) which needs to be in resonance too to produce the "energy pumping" process.
Many diagrams out there show not really that this Grenade is put into resonance, but instead the Inductor is put into series LC resonance to drive the Grenade.
I have tried to get both the Inductor and Grenade (closely coupled) into resonance, but this fails as they get over couple
d and reject their resonance peaks.
So, the Grenade is most important to get into LCR resonance and then have the correct circuitry for removal of the output power from the Grenade.
Thanks so far, 
Itsu
Vidura posted this 1 weeks ago
Hi all, the last time I was working on the improvement of the Kacher-Brovin driver. It took many hours on the bench, something tricky the circuit. Four drivers and three MOSFET get fried on the way, but finally it came out well. Below short video:
 https://youtu.be/2VFn6VtlVTk
Next I will add the push-pull and main resonator, I thought to test some different options of coils and layout, as far as resources allow.
Vidura
Itsu posted this 1 weeks ago
 
Vidura,
looking very nice, the driver looks very efficient now with only about 9.6W input.
Also the modulation of about 10kHz comes in the direcrion of what is needed (15-25kHz).
Would be great to see the modulation pulse train on the scope together with the Kacher output one time.
Looking forward to your next steps.
Itsu
Vidura posted this 6 days ago
Here is a new coil for the Kacher-Brovin resonator; the reduced diameter allowed to increase the resonant
As the number of turns is +500 the emitted scalar waves are strong enough.
 
With the antenna attached, the resonant frequency is 1.8 MHz.
Below you can see the comparison with the modulation signal, which is still provided by the FG.
Here with a modulation of 18khz@50%
It can be noted that the start-up of the circuit is very fast, of course the decaying of the dampened wave  after the shutdown is present.
There is some ringing because the scope is not grounded.
Due to the high ambient temperatures, we have 40ªC these days, I found that the driver becomes very hot, so for a reliable operation this needs to be improved further.
   
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Itsu posted this 6 days ago
Vidura,
so the antenna has a big influence on the resonance frequency pulling it down to 1.8MHz.
Great modulation at 18kHz, this should be useable.
Perhaps increase (or decrease) the FG somewhat to get a still narrower HF kacher pulse, then the impact of the antenna on the Inductor or Grenade coil would be maximized.
Does the diagram presented here: https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/btg-research/?p=4&order=all#comment-e7a04879-3edc-4968-92d0-af590041531d is still is the present on?
Itsu
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 If you ask for the Kacher driver, it is different from the other.
So in time could you present an update to this diagram then.
 
Thanks,  Itsu

Vidura posted this 5 days ago
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If you already have built the circuit, it is OK, it only needs some patience for the correct adjustment of the inductance of the CT. and as the mosfet works in the linear region near the transitions, a good heat sink is recommended. For the improved version I might open a thread in the hardware-section, explaining a bit how it works and how the design improovements have been developed. This will be of more benefit for others, and avoid that the circuit will be just be copied without an insight how it works.

Aliengrey posted this 4 days ago - Last edited 4 days ago
Hi Vidura
Thanks for your reply regarding the grenade winding I notice the the winding is actuly 3 windings (as per devision by 3)
 also notice in the one video the windings appear to contradict this in appearance leving the viewer (my self) a bit confused
in that the bifilar winding is the same length as the single  winding.
Is it possible for you to show how grenade is actually wound as i am very interested how to replicate this item as many others will also be Thinking about it, it might be a simple mater of just adding the wave length as a fraction on each winding section if thyats possible .
many thanks & Kind regards Sil
Vidura posted this 3 days ago
 
Hi Sil,
In the tests shown on the videos I tried to simplify and investigate the PRINCIPALS, as only by knowing these, a reliable replication by anyone skilled in the art will be possible. These tests where intended to find the interaction of the scalar waves with the main resonator, and have demonstrated the influence of feeding the impulses on different sections, and also the correct location for the ground connection. Still I don’t know if the other principle involved, which is the atomic EXCITATION of the conductor and transfer of the former to achieve the required phase shift can be done with this simplified coil. Next experiments will show this.

Regarding the grenade coil,   it has be confirmed by different  sources, that the following schematic is correct:
 It is important to know, that the Grenade used as main resonator, has to be in LCR resonance, in contrast to the Kacher-resonator. This means that the predominant parameter is the INDUCTANCE, not the length of the wire.
This means that the grenade has 3 sections, as you stated correctly. But these three sections has to be seen magnetically, not physically. I will mark it in the second schematic:
It is likely, that this is not the only possible layout of the main resonator, hopefully the next set of experiments will shed more light on this.

   
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Munny posted this 2 days ago
Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?
I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.
Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?
If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?
Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?
Sure wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.
 
Aliengrey posted this 2 days ago
Quoting:Munny
Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?
I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.
Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?
If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?
Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?
Sure wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.
Hi Munny
if the start freq is 1.8 mhz and the wave length is 4166.6  and it's divided int blocks of  3 where do you get 100 ?
Sil
Vidura posted this 4 days ago

Quoting:Munny

    Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?

    I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.

    Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?

    If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?

    Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?

    Sure, wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.

     

Sorry for the delay, I have a lot of work these days. In my earlier tests I have used different relationships to hit possible harmonics or overtones. In my actual understanding these are all interpretations from people whose had a certain hypothesis of the system, but I think it is much simpler. If we consider that both resonators, the HF and the main resonator have their own inherent resonant frequency, and anyone who has worked with tesla resonators will know that it is very sensible to all kind of external influences, also the main resonator will have a changing resonant frequency, depending on the load of the system, temperature and similar parameters. Therefore, for the instance I am convinced, that it is good enough to keep each of the resonators in tune for itself, and sustain the required phasing for the transfer of the scalar pulses. To find the answer about the principle of operation is certainly the goal of this research.

Quoting Aliengray:

     

    Hi Vidura; re the lower idea I have built that layout as per shown but unfortunatly it does not apear to cancel out all the inductance in fact far from it !  do you think it would be a better idea to biffilar wind it along the tube as then the waves would possably be in phase at the correct reso nance frequency, what do you think  ?

The grenade coil is not supposed to cancel the magnetic vector completely, it is an asymmetric inductor, which have sections of different inductance, in sign and gradient, only the middle section should have cancelled magnetic vectors, and this should be the best place for the reception of the scalar pulses or waves. As stated before I had the strongest interaction with the coil which was half bifilar cancelling and the other half normally wound.
 
bigmotherwhale posted this 4 days ago
I would definately try that Sil, I have seen confilicting information on the first two windings part of the coil, Part of it needs to be non inductive, unless the small area marked MVC on the diag is where the action happens.

 
Hi all.
Update: In order to make a series of tests to learn about the interaction of the two resonators, I have built this board. It allows an easy exchange of components and coils, while maintaining an neat layout.
Munny posted this 2 days ago
Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?
I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.
Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?
If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?
Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?
Sure wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.
 
Aliengrey posted this 2 days ago
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Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?
I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.
Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?
If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?
Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?
Sure wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.
Hi Munny
if the start freq is 1.8 mhz and the wave length is 4166.6  and it's divided int blocks of  3 where do you get 100 ?
Sil
Vidura posted this 4 days ago

Quoting:Munny

    Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?

    I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.

    Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?

    If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?

    Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?

    Sure, wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.

     

Sorry for the delay, I have a lot of work these days. In my earlier tests I have used different relationships to hit possible harmonics or overtones. In my actual understanding these are all interpretations from people whose had a certain hypothesis of the system, but I think it is much simpler. If we consider that both resonators, the HF and the main resonator have their own inherent resonant frequency, and anyone who has worked with tesla resonators will know that it is very sensible to all kind of external influences, also the main resonator will have a changing resonant frequency, depending on the load of the system, temperature and similar parameters. Therefore, for the instance I am convinced, that it is good enough to keep each of the resonators in tune for itself, and sustain the required phasing for the transfer of the scalar pulses. To find the answer about the principle of operation is certainly the goal of this research.

Quoting Aliengray:

     

    Hi Vidura; re the lower idea I have built that layout as per shown but unfortunatly it does not apear to cancel out all the inductance in fact far from it !  do you think it would be a better idea to biffilar wind it along the tube as then the waves would possably be in phase at the correct reso nance frequency, what do you think  ?

The grenade coil is not supposed to cancel the magnetic vector completely, it is an asymmetric inductor, which have sections of different inductance, in sign and gradient, only the middle section should have cancelled magnetic vectors, and this should be the best place for the reception of the scalar pulses or waves. As stated before I had the strongest interaction with the coil which was half bifilar cancelling and the other half normally wound.
 
bigmotherwhale posted this 4 days ago
I would definately try that Sil, I have seen confilicting information on the first two windings part of the coil, Part of it needs to be non inductive, unless the small area marked MVC on the diag is where the action happens.

 
Hi all.
Update: In order to make a series of tests to learn about the interaction of the two resonators, I have built this board. It allows an easy exchange of components and coils, while maintaining an ordinated layout.
Munny posted this 2 days ago
Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?
I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.
Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?
If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?
Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?
Sure wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.
 
Aliengrey posted this 2 days ago
Quoting:Munny
Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?
I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.
Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?
If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?
Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?
Sure wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.
Hi Munny
if the start freq is 1.8 mhz and the wave length is 4166.6  and it's divided int blocks of  3 where do you get 100 ?
Sil
Vidura posted this 4 days ago

Quoting:Munny

    Question I had with this device where I never got what I would qualify as a satisfactory answer was the 1-to-100 frequency modulation.  Why does the high voltage have to be exactly 100 times higher frequency than the high current from the push-pull?

    I understand hetrodyning but I (so far) cannot see any relationship and the 100 factor seems arbitrary to me.

    Does anyone really know?  Did Akula explain this someplace and I didn't pick up on it?

    If we flip frequency into bandwidth does this 100 factor now make more sense relative to the wire lengths involved?

    Does it have something to do with velocity factor of the insulated wires?

    Sure, wish somebody could give me a definitive answer because I would think the answer embeds the foundation of how this device really operates, which to me still seems like some kind of magical mixing of high voltage/low current with high current/low voltage to end up with moderate voltage/moderate current that is usable.

     

Sorry for the delay, I have a lot of work these days. In my earlier tests I have used different relationships to hit possible harmonics or overtones. In my actual understanding these are all interpretations from people whose had a certain hypothesis of the system, but I think it is much simpler. If we consider that both resonators, the HF and the main resonator have their own inherent resonant frequency, and anyone who has worked with tesla resonators will know that it is very sensible to all kind of external influences, also the main resonator will have a changing resonant frequency, depending on the load of the system, temperature and similar parameters. Therefore, for the instance I am convinced, that it is good enough to keep each of the resonators in tune for itself, and sustain the required phasing for the transfer of the scalar pulses. To find the answer about the principle of operation is certainly the goal of this research.

Quoting Aliengray:

     

    Hi Vidura; re the lower idea I have built that layout as per shown but unfortunatly it does not apear to cancel out all the inductance in fact far from it !  do you think it would be a better idea to biffilar wind it along the tube as then the waves would possably be in phase at the correct reso nance frequency, what do you think  ?

The grenade coil is not supposed to cancel the magnetic vector completely, it is an asymmetric inductor, which have sections of different inductance, in sign and gradient, only the middle section should have cancelled magnetic vectors, and this should be the best place for the reception of the scalar pulses or waves. As stated before I had the strongest interaction with the coil which was half bifilar cancelling and the other half normally wound.
 
bigmotherwhale posted this 4 days ago
I would definately try that Sil, I have seen confilicting information on the first two windings part of the coil, Part of it needs to be non inductive, unless the small area marked MVC on the diag is where the action happens.

 
Hi all.
Update: In order to make a series of tests to learn about the interaction of the two resonators, I have built this board. It allows an easy exchange of components and coils, while maintaining an neat layout.
As stated before, I am very busy this time of the year. Additionally, I had a lot of offline time lately, due to a server problem. But finally, I could do some tests.Here you can see the parts inside the main resonator. Still, I did not get the expected results, when the HF pulses are activated, the amplitude of the main resonator decreases instead of increasing. regardless of the timing of the signal. So, I guess there is some issue with the feedback, but with patience and persistence it will be solved. As time allows, I will continue and troubleshooting why the increase of the oscillations is not present.
No, I didn’t take scope shots yet, just played around with various configs. Some more details: First I tried to put the load in series LCR in the main resonator, but the push pull could not bring up the oscillations as the dampening of the load resistor is way too high. It might be possible by increasing the secondary voltage of the toroid, at the cost of pumping much more power into the circuit. Then I added another winding for the power removal:
it is wound over the inductive part of the resonator, with some extra layers above the ferrite rings with a step-up ratio of 1:2.5
As result of the decoupling the push pull could oscillate, although dampened when loaded. Also, I swapped the windings, connecting the new coil to the push pull and capacitor, but all tests with the same result, that is the amplitude was decreasing when the HF pulses turned on.
In the next video I will document this and hopefully something more...
   
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Hi Vidura,

thanks for opening this interesting thread.

I was following you already on BeyondUnity, and your playlist is a good starting point and recommended viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbhv9RvImM8z4rsOpyOK0vSbgR49WGndK

Thanks for the warning about the kacher, i also had my part of damaged equipment when working on them some time ago, so be aware all.

I am especially interested in the modulated kacher as it seems that a sharp, strong burst of HV HF is needed to unlock the (reactive?) power in the Grenade / Inductor.

I will follow along and contribute where possible.


Regards Itsu
   
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Itsu & Vidora

From what i can see and from Wesley's Lithuanian experiment A Tesla coil isn't what you want or need (a Katcher what ever
it's definition is), on youtube is a lot of stuff on caducious coils and wave guides one guy shows how to convert a Tesla coil into such a
beast.
I tried to copy what he shows but it doesn't work when i ran a test on his idea. Below is a pic of his device working for him, but something is missing.
in order to get more nodes wouldn't we need to generate more of them Yeah ! you would think so.
Thing is in Don Smiths it's the other way round his coil has an HF flavor about it yet it's being driven by only 31.5 khz
Confusing to say the least.
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #18 on: 2022-12-23, 18:17:55 »
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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2022-12-23, 10:10:23
Itsu & Vidora

From what i can see and from Wesley's Lithuanian experiment A Tesla coil isn't what you want or need (a Katcher what ever
it's definition is), on youtube is a lot of stuff on caducious coils and wave guides one guy shows how to convert a Tesla coil into such a
beast.
I tried to copy what he shows but it doesn't work when i ran a test on his idea. Below is a pic of his device working for him, but something is missing.
in order to get more nodes wouldn't we need to generate more of them Yeah ! you would think so.
Thing is in Don Smiths it's the other way round his coil has an HF flavor about it yet it's being driven by only 31.5 khz
Confusing to say the least.
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Of course it is possible to get more nodes and anti-nodes on the resonator coil, you only need to drive it at a higher harmonic. For the filament bulbs, I guess that interaction with ground is needed. Don smith used spark arrestor with 31.5khz sparking rate, but this will always trigger the resonator at it's inherent resonant frequency, much higher .
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #19 on: 2022-12-23, 21:21:04 »
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A short update. As the latest tests didn't result as expected, I went a step back and tried the transfer without the push-pull stage, and found the problem there. It seems that the earlier assumption of related wirelenght was correct, with the two actual receiving coils I couldn't get not nearly a good result as in the earlier experiments with wavelength relationship. So I will have to get more wire and rewind the coils to confirm that.
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #20 on: 2022-12-24, 18:05:00 »

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Vidura,

good to hear you have found the problem which was, as i understand it, a decrease in amplitude of the main resonator (The Grenade i think) when you turn on the kacher instead of an increase in amplitude you had before.

This increase was when you had a relation between the wire lengths (wave length) of the kacher secondary and main resonator (Grenade).  What relation was that?
What did you change that the increase turned into a decrease?   

I see both your kacher secondary as the main resonator (Grenade) has a copper pipe inside and the latter even some ferrite rings.
These copper pipes are used to increase coupling between them?     And the ferrite rings are to tune the main resonator (grenade)?

 
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #21 on: 2022-12-24, 22:52:58 »
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Quoting Itsu:
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This increase was when you had a relation between the wire lengths (wave length) of the kacher secondary and main resonator (Grenade).  What relation was that?
What did you change that the increase turned into a decrease?   

I see both your kacher secondary as the main resonator (Grenade) has a copper pipe inside and the latter even some ferrite rings.
These copper pipes are used to increase coupling between them?     And the ferrite rings are to tune the main resonator (grenade)?

As some time has passed since the earlier experiments, I reviewed them to remember some details. In those tests I wound the reception coil in third harmonic- halfwavelenght relationship. Another difference is that those coils had two layers, and the actual only one without any specific relationship.
in this post i had specified the coil relationship used in the videos:

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In the comparison of this three different coil configuration I have used the same wirelength (electrical antenna length) which was for the TX side (kacher): 34.7 mtr.(quarter wavelength) And the RX reception coil: 23.13 mtr. , Which is approximately 34.7*2= 69.4(half wavelength) / 3 = 23.13 mtr.(third harmonic).
I have planned to make another test with a fundamental wavelength reception coil with 69.4 mtr. length.
 
Vidura posted this 04 August 2022 - Last edited 3 weeks ago

I did a test with the RX coil corresponding to the half wavelength of the fundamental frequency (69.4mtr). I had only a 0.5 mm2 wire at hand, the output has slightly increased, despite of the thin wire gauge. The insertion of the copper pipe also gives around 30% more output. When the coil terminals are swapped referred to the schematic, the cancelling half connected to the ground, the light bulb barley glows. This information should be useful to rise the potential of a coil by injection of an E-field. It is in accordance with the hypothesis of the different impedance of the coil sections.

note that I didn't compensate for the velocity factor of the different wires, but it seems that it was good enough.

Regarding the copper-pipe, yes it increases the transfer of the HF. About the ferrite rings there are different theories, Kapa specified them as filters in his patents, others speak of NMR effects, Actually I put them to increase the inductance of this part of the coil. For the moment I don't have concluding results. The plan is to solve the issues step by step, first the transfer of HF, then the push-pull stage, grounding options. Ruslan also spoke about filtering the output to be required to sustain resonance.
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #22 on: 2022-12-26, 10:59:35 »
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Hi All,
Below the latest video showing some interesting effects:

https://youtu.be/qMSAfn-cAgY
   
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Re: BTG Research « Reply #23 on: 2022-12-26, 11:01:01 »
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Quote from: Vidura on 2022-12-26, 10:59:35
Hi All,
Below the latest video showing some interesting effects:

https://youtu.be/qMSAfn-cAgY

What "interesting effects"?
Can you provide your analysis?


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Re: BTG Research « Reply #24 on: 2022-12-26, 13:54:39 »
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Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-26, 11:01:01
What "interesting effects"?
Can you provide your analysis?
Of course. First I want to make clear that whenever possible I adhere at classic physics, which IMO can satisfactory explain over 90% of all observed phenomena. But not all. On the observations of the mentioned effects I will remark the following :
1. The phase shift between the two scope traces. If we consider the effect as produced by Coulomb forces, the influence on the unconnected scope probe should be bthe same as exerted on the reception coil. But there is clearly a difference of 90° compared wit the bifilare cancelling Coil.
2. The assimetry of the positive and the negative halfwaves.There is around 5 volts of difference in the potential, so it seems that the coupling is prevalent on one polarity, positiy on the terminal of the bifilare section.
3. The long time interval until reaching the maximum amplitude. It lasts around 5-7 second's until reaching the maximum. I have observed that there is a kind of storage of energy related to this effect. When the experiment is repeated several times, the pattern change and the first time interval of powering up becomes faster. When de device is powered on for first time after a longer period of staying unconnected, it is much slower and clearer to observe. See in the short addition below:
https://youtu.be/bc7Xo2rZNpE
   
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