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F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #50 on: 2022-12-16, 08:51:12 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	The answers of religions or conspiracy theories are suitable for those who do not understand anything about a field and only need simple explanations and magic stories, which is why they are so successful. With the Tesla cult from some people today, we can see that we are no longer in science and technology, but in religion. "This painting of Nikola Tesla was commissioned by the non-profit organization Tesla Science Foundation specifically as part of their project entitled "St. Tesla Petition" – a proposal to the Serbian Orthodox Church to canonize Nikola Tesla as a Serbian saint on the basis of many examples of his selfless acts so that Tesla could inspire scientists and engineers all over the world in a more spiritual way." Q.E.D. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St._Tesla.jpg --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

chief kolbacict	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #51 on: 2022-12-16, 10:46:39 »
Sr. Member Posts: 275	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-16, 08:28:20 For more than a century no scientist has believed in it, only Tesla bigots, Dr. Corum believes in it. And Wesley too.

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #52 on: 2022-12-16, 11:00:37 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2022-12-16, 10:46:39 Dr. Corum believes in it. And Wesley too. They would have succeeded in transmitting energy around the earth?! There are many charlatans around free energy, starting with those who claim to reveal its secrets. Using the Tesla cult serves their selfish interests. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #53 on: 2022-12-16, 13:25:08 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Just imagine where F6 would be if he had spent as much time reading Tesla as he's spent reading conspiracy theories, and sci-fi stories and other 3rd-party tales about him? https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/lectures/light-and-other-high-frequency-phenomena http://www.onk.ns.ac.rs/Archive/Vol15/PDFVol15/v15n34p100.pdf ------------------------ Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? TeslaXRay.jpg (65.41 kB, 1280x720 - viewed 428 times.) --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #54 on: 2022-12-16, 14:13:40 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	(Returning to the theme of the thread) Myth: "Tesla Turbines are neat, but they spin far too fast, don't have any useful torque, and are not very efficient": Reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQl1DQgXVkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkGAKqG2qvU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThvV_xiFidY --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #55 on: 2022-12-16, 21:08:34 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-16, 13:25:08 Just imagine where F6 would be if he had spent as much time reading Tesla as he's spent reading conspiracy theories, and sci-fi stories and other 3rd-party tales about him? ... I've read all his patents. They work, but it's conventional. But here, it's hard to read anything other than urban legends about devices he never patented, because they never worked. It's a constant in the free energy movement to always prefer to believe the sensationalism of wonderful stories about devices that don't work. Reality is too hard Myth : Nikola Tesla discovered „very special radiation“ or X-radiation Reality: "X-radiation is referred to as Röntgen radiation, after the German scientist Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, who discovered it on November 8, 1895." That said, Tesla certainly produced some with the very high voltages he used. But X-rays are electromagnetic waves and Tesla denied them. That's a bummer. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #56 on: 2022-12-17, 02:14:55 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-16, 21:08:34 I've read all his patents. They work, but it's conventional. But here, it's hard to read anything other than urban legends about devices he never patented, because they never worked. Thanks. The big gaps in knowledge make a lot more sense in that context. All the lectures and peer-review papers and letters provide a lot of important context and information that did not end up at the patent office. Quote Myth : Nikola Tesla discovered „very special radiation“ or X-radiation Reality: "X-radiation is referred to as Röntgen radiation, after the German scientist Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, who discovered it on November 8, 1895." This is where knowing more than just patents would really pay off for you Following Tesla's work, we can see his presentations 1892-1893 were beginning to lead to experiments in evacuated bulbs with high voltage, high frequency impulses (figs 23, 27, 30, 31, 33): https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/lectures/light-and-other-high-frequency-phenomena Is it far-fetched to suggest that Tesla may have independently discovered 'shadowgraphs' and at least one form of X-ray between 1892 and 1896 given the pace of his work? https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/images/drawing-illustrating-teslas-unipolar-vacuum-tube We know for a fact that similar parallel discoveries had been made by both Edison and Humphry Davy in the similarly fast-paced era of electrical discovery, as well as Marconi's radio following Tesla's patents in the same era. And directly following Roentgen, we find Tesla writing a paper on 'Roentgen rays' with extremely thorough work. Even with Tesla's mind-boggling pace he would have surely had a difficult time if all his experiments were performed in the couple months between patent and publication of his paper? https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/teslas-latest-roentgen-ray-investigations With reports of clear shadowgraphs upwards of 45 feet, it would seem he even surpassed Roentgen's work by the 1896 (hence the fawning letter by Roentgen to Tesla some time later: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4398.msg102641#msg102641 ) F6, since you are at least familiar with the patents, have you concluded that Tesla's 'radiant energy' bulbs/patents awarded were in-fact X-ray transceivers, or was it something else entirely? https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/nikola-teslas-radiations-and-cosmic-rays --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #57 on: 2022-12-17, 09:12:44 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Hakasays https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/nikola-teslas-radiations-and-cosmic-rays Nikola Tesla's Radiations and the Cosmic Rays Thanks for all the links, as we can see the massive amount of scientific research Tesla did in his lifetime is mind boggling. It's even more impressive when were speaking of so many discoveries across such a broad spectrum of scientific fields. I suspect most scientists today would only accomplish a fraction of what Tesla did in there entire career. Granted there was a lot to discover back in the late 1800's because not much was known. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

forest	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #58 on: 2022-12-17, 10:26:25 »
Sr. Member Posts: 472	I found it astonishing when read how Tesla treated radio development during years as a fiction. Then I thought he just sent radio waves over single wire is this how radio waves work today ? sending energy using displacement current ?

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #59 on: 2022-12-17, 14:08:50 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	"teslauniverse.com" is a church and Tesla its God. You don't see here the "massive amount of scientific research Tesla did" but the massive amount of myths attributed to Tesla. Tesla was not a research scientist but an engineering master, there is a huge gulf between the two. Place an ex-voto for him and light a candle, I'm sure he'll make OU appear in your setups. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #60 on: 2022-12-17, 15:06:54 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: forest on 2022-12-17, 10:26:25 I found it astonishing when read how Tesla treated radio development during years as a fiction. Then I thought he just sent radio waves over single wire is this how radio waves work today ? sending energy using displacement current ? Best I can tell, Tesla didn't disagree with the experiments at the time, but his interpretation was that the conventional 'hertian' waves were vastly inferior to the types of waves he felt he was working with. The theories at the time were fluid and evolving so it's hard to say exactly where the theoretical disagreements were. Adrian Marsh is probably the most advanced researcher into displacement currents today, and we can both attest to the level of difficulty in balancing such systems for efficient transmission. His best results with careful tuning thus-far culminated in 500w single wire power transmissions through a 40awg wire with greater than 99.5% efficiency (100% measured): https://www.am-innovations.com/category/experiments/experiments-single-wire-currents/ Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-17, 14:08:50 "teslauniverse.com" is a church and Tesla its God. You don't see here the "massive amount of scientific research Tesla did" but the massive amount of myths attributed to Tesla. Tesla was not a research scientist but an engineering master, there is a huge gulf between the two. What I posted was original source material written by Tesla, no need for myth+mythology here If one limits themself merely to patents, the knowledge and conclusions made could be quite handicapped indeed. If you applied this 'patents-only' principle to Einstein's work you would miss all of his papers on Relativity, and if you applied it to someone like Oliver Heaviside you might conclude that Heaviside made no meaningful contribution to Electrical Engineering . From Tesla's 685,958 patent: Quote "It is well known that certain radiations - such as those of ultra-violet light, cathodic, Roentgen rays, or the like - possess the property of charging and discharging conductors of electricity, the discharge being particularly noticeable when the conductor upon which the rays impinge is negatively electrified. "My own experiments and observations, however, lead me to conclusions more in accord with the theory heretofore advanced by me that sourced of such radiant energy throw off with great velocity minute particles of matter which are strongly electrified, and therefore capable of charging an electrical conductor, or even if not so may at any rate discharge an electrified conductor either by carrying off bodily its charge or otherwise". I wonder, has anyone besides Allcanadian managed to replicate the 'stinging rays' experiment, or found an interpretation as to action that may be occurring from a modern theoretical POV? ------------------------ Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? 685958.gif (21.99 kB, 500x707 - viewed 334 times.) --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #61 on: 2022-12-17, 16:25:39 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-17, 15:06:54 ... What I posted was original source material written by Tesla, no need for myth+mythology here ... The problem, and not the least, is that what he has written, apart from his patents, are inconsistent dreams, and that he has not published anything scientific, only technical. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #62 on: 2022-12-17, 17:42:55 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	------------------------ Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? Rontgen_AptQuote.png (521.97 kB, 1200x670 - viewed 254 times.) --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Grumpy	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #63 on: 2022-12-17, 17:54:55 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-17, 15:06:54 I wonder, has anyone besides Allcanadian managed to replicate the 'stinging rays' experiment, or found an interpretation as to action that may be occurring from a modern theoretical POV? I don't think the results of this experiment fit within "modern theoretical POV". Doesn't really matter at this point in time...

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #64 on: 2022-12-18, 12:15:44 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	POVs other than "modern theoretical POV" are perfectly acceptable, as long as they work. Unfortunately, only "modern theoretical POVs" lead to operational technologies, not POVs from dreams that have never been rigorously formalised or tested with measurements. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myths, but only if not investigated « Reply #65 on: 2022-12-18, 14:11:45 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	We already know 'Tesla-style' X-ray tubes work: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4398.msg102638#msg102638 That's his hand in the shadowgraph. It was actually stumbled-upon by accident, probably in much the same way Tesla and Rontgen discovered it. In colleague's case it was from anomalous Geiger counter readings quite some distance away from an experimental vacuum bulb circa 2019. Does anyone have proposed experiments or questions regarding Tesla's single-wire, cold-cathode emitters? The discussion is probably worth an entire thread by itself. I am quite curious as to the 'radiant energy' papers and patents and how they relate to this. Were the 'radiant energy' patents in-fact elaborate/efficient X-ray transceivers, or are the beams created by these bulbs of a different nature than conventional X-rays? We do know the beams produced from these tubes are much more coherent and directional, which does explain the range and why shadowgraphs produced with them tend to have such a high clarity. --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Grumpy	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #66 on: 2022-12-18, 16:00:25 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	It's my belief that Tesla's claims of a "medium" are valid, and that we can cause fields to move through this medium, and we can cause the medium to move. The medium can be patterned, so to speak, by a field occupying the same space. Then this patterned field can be moved within this space to appear as if the patterning field is moving. What I mean is you create a static magnetic field, for example, and then if you move the medium is the same space as this magnetic field, then it appear the static magnetic field is now moving. The medium has inertia, and will continue to move once the driving forces are removed. The medium can be reinforced by rotating it or standing waves. Tesla stated that there is no energy in anything except what comes from outside it. To me, this means the energy in everything comes from this medium. If we can figure out this works, energy is everywhere for our purposes. Physics without the medium is incomplete. We can ignore the medium, or explore it. The following is "hearsay": There is a story, rumors, unfounded claims that there is a secret breakaway society. Search all you want and you will find little or nothing about it. Supposedly, they are that good at being secretive. They have their own military, and they have very advanced technology. Advanced propulsion and weapons. They have drones, saucer shaped, 23 feet in diameter, and over 800 of them in the 1980's. Their propulsion system somehow pushes against the mass of the earth, and is propellant-less. These drones can travel at 1/2C. They have particle beam weapons. The drone info I have on very good authority, but is still unproven. The story is that this technology was part of Tesla's stolen notes and technical writings. As everyone knows these papers are still classified, so who knows what's really true. There's more. This breakaway society is involved in everything, and is said to already have bases on other planets and moons in our solar system. Lot's of fruit for great story telling...

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #67 on: 2022-12-19, 14:20:52 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	The crap around Tesla is getting crazier by the day. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #68 on: 2022-12-19, 16:40:19 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Grumpy on 2022-12-18, 16:00:25 ... Physics without the medium is incomplete. ... damnant quod non intelligunt --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #69 on: 2022-12-19, 21:43:08 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Hakasays Quote Does anyone have proposed experiments or questions regarding Tesla's single-wire, cold-cathode emitters? The discussion is probably worth an entire thread by itself. Indeed, I know of countless experiments regarding single-wire, cold-cathode emitters. T.H. Moray, Paul Correa (PAGD), Bruce Perreault and many others. I will start a moderated thread to keep the gaslighting and misdirection to a minimum. New thread...https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4406.0 AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #70 on: 2022-12-20, 14:55:06 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022-12-19, 21:43:08 ... Indeed, I know of countless experiments regarding single-wire, cold-cathode emitters. T.H. Moray, Paul Correa (PAGD), Bruce Perreault and many others. None of these people have produced anything useful. Their pseudo-inventions are part of urban legends, and every new attempt to reproduce the claimed extraordinary effects, which always ends in failure, is confirmation of this. Since the free energy movement prefers to maintain illusions rather than draw conclusions and move on to other things, it will continue to do so for decades. Why decades and not centuries? Because in a few decades, energy will no longer be a problem due to the progress of conventional science. Quote I will start a moderated thread to keep the gaslighting and misdirection to a minimum. ... How lucky we are to have guardians of the temple of illusions, who know the right direction and fight the sceptics with censorship. The latter could dissuade the less clear-sighted from joining the world of illusions, and even shake the faith of blind believers, it is intolerable. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth to storytellers, Reality for Engineers. « Reply #71 on: 2022-12-20, 14:56:51 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Analyzing Tesla's Radiant Energy patents, IMO we are left with two likely possibilities. 1 - Tesla's 'Radiant Energy' is in-fact X-rays, and the bulbs referenced are single wire cold-cathode X-ray tubes of Tesla's design. 2 - Tesla's 'Radiant Energy' is another type of ray entirely, different from X-rays but retaining similar properties (like penetrating soft tissues) ref: https://patents.google.com/patent/US685958A/en If Tesla's 'Radiant Energy' was in-fact a single-wire cold-cathode X-ray tube, it would be quite a novel technology, as it seems 120 years later that modern physics has not quite figured that out: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/603739/whats-the-issue-with-inventing-a-cold-cathode-x-ray-tube Only in the past few years have scientists managed cold-cathode X-rays, and I cannot find any references to single-wire tubes apart from Tesla's patents. And yet the patent and construction is relatively simple (and in-fact was rediscovered by accident). Is this another case of 'science declared it impossible so they never bothered to check?' ------------------------ Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? tesla1901f.jpg.w560h944.jpg (56.98 kB, 560x944 - viewed 163 times.) --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Grumpy	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #72 on: 2022-12-20, 15:19:41 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Username "Darkspeed" has a bench and many posts on this forum. He explored Tesla's stinging rays and other effects with some success. Spherics provided instructions for seeing effects of radiant energy (RE). He used 10kv which is too high for most people to experiment with. He mentioned another method of seeing an ether oscillation on a scope that requires only 50v, and charges a capacitor. There is an old video where Eric Dollard charges a cap with an an argon tube on the top of his Tesla Coil. Attached is a pdf of everything Spherics said about RE. ------------------------ Notes on Radiant Energy from Username Spherics.pdf (225.52 kB - downloaded 63 times.)

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth to storytellers, Reality for Engineers. « Reply #73 on: 2022-12-20, 18:08:51 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-20, 14:56:51 Analyzing Tesla's Radiant Energy patents, IMO we are left with two likely possibilities. 1 - Tesla's 'Radiant Energy' is in-fact X-rays, and the bulbs referenced are single wire cold-cathode X-ray tubes of Tesla's design. 2 - Tesla's 'Radiant Energy' is another type of ray entirely, different from X-rays but retaining similar properties (like penetrating soft tissues) ... The patent dates from 1901, 6 years after Rötgen discovered X-rays. Generating these rays from high voltages, without a tube, is indeed a valid invention but not of the importance of a discovery. Tesla did not discover X-rays, contrary to the lies about him (an insult to his memory), which is why it was Rötgen who won the Nobel Prize, not Tesla. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Grumpy	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #74 on: 2022-12-20, 18:59:47 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Yet, Centraflow has a working device currently being tested and researched by a company that maintains nuclear reactors in GB. So, you can stop acting like an "expert" now. (fixed typo)

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