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F6FLT	Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « on: 2022-12-09, 17:18:39 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	An interesting paper has just been published on arXiv about Tesla : https://arxiv.org/pdf/2212.04440 The author is not a physicist, and I will be more moderate than him. Tesla was a brilliant inventor, all his patents work perfectly. But this paper confirms what I have always said here: he was not a theorist, he did not understand the theory of electromagnetism, only the rules of engineering, he for example denied the electron, denied Hertzian waves, and his idea of transmission of energy at great distance is incoherent. "This scenario made him the perfect guru for adepts of conspiracy theories who want to believe that it is other scientists who destroyed his fame in order to hide from people the existence of some "free energy" that Tesla was supposedly trying to offer to the world" This paper reviews all the crazy things we read about Tesla, especially on conspiracy sites. Here is the summary list. For the evidence, see the paper : “Thomas Edison stole from Nikola Tesla the invention of the light bulb.” Myth “Nikola Tesla invented the laser.” Myth “Nikola Tesla invented the electric motor.” Myth “Nikola Tesla invented the AC current.” Myth “Nikola Tesla invented the AC motor.” Myth “Nikola Tesla invented the wireless communication.” Myth “Nikola Tesla invented the transformer.” Myth “Einstein was once asked what it was like to be the smartest man alive. He replied ‘I don’t know, you’ll have to ask Nikola Tesla.’” Probably a myth, and should it be true, it would have to be understood as sarcasm. While I consider Tesla brilliant as an inventor, some of the facts reported here put the story into perspective, and perhaps the way he ended up is a consequence of his behavior: "Tesla adopted pseudo-scientific views, was arrogant and aggressive toward other people's work, and completely missed the advances made in physics in the early 1900s, such as in Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. He certainly made technological contributions and inventions, but the path leading to an invention usually involves the contributions from numerous predecessors who deserve to be credited for their work." --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #1 on: 2022-12-09, 18:09:27 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	The paper has an interesting take on Tesla's work however there are many mistakes. Quote Verdict: Myth. Tesla didn’t invent the light bulb, and Edison didn’t steal the invention. Edison rightfully bought the patent. He also improved the light bulb greatly, so that it became useful and affordable to everyone I agree that neither Tesla or Edison invented the incandescent light bulb. However we can see the author is very biased because Edison didn't improve the incandescent bulb either his employee's did. In fact Edison was only given credit for personally inventing/improving a couple devices. This conclusion is also a clever form of biased misdirection because the incandescent bulb was never in question and it was the florescent bulb. Tesla was well versed with HV plasma in vacuum tubes and supposedly used an inner coating to improve illumination. So it was the fluorescent bulb not the incandescent bulb, lol. Quote Verdict: Myth. The laser is inherently a quantum mechanical device, and there is no way that Tesla could have invented it with his erroneous views of classical physics. Oh dear this is getting ridiculous. To my knowledge Tesla was never associated with laser technology obviously making the supposed claim absurd. In fact, Tesla made a claim of inventing a "particle beam". Key word "particle", relating to the rapid acceleration of metal powders into a coherent line or beam by electrostatic forces. Which of course, was right in line with all of Tesla's other research into HV phenomena. Quote “Nikola Tesla invented the electric motor.” The electric motor was invented by Michael Faraday in 1821, 35 years before Tesla was born[14]. Verdict: Myth. The electric motor was clearly invented before Tesla was born This is absurd and Tesla never claimed to have invented the electric motor. Tesla invented and patented the polyphase induction motor which revolutionized the industry. The technology was groundbreaking because it drastically improved efficiency and didn't have brushes to wear out. Do I really need to continue because this paper is not only a complete joke but also littered with misdirection. It was obviously written by an amateur who knew little if nothing of what Tesla actually accomplished. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #2 on: 2022-12-09, 20:47:02 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022-12-09, 18:09:27 ... Oh dear this is getting ridiculous. To my knowledge Tesla was never associated with laser technology... [] This is absurd and Tesla never claimed to have invented the electric motor. ... His name has been associated with lasers, because of the "death beam": "Nikola Tesla claimed to have invented a "death beam" which he called teleforce in the 1930s and continued the claims up until his death." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_ray and also to the motor: "Tesla's AC Induction Motor is one of the 10 greatest discoveries of all time" https://www.teslasociety.com/hall_of_fame.htm I have the impression that you don't know much about him and what people say about him. The paper I quoted is honest, there are all these myths about Tesla on the web, some of which he himself created and the rest of which are the work of incompetent fans. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #3 on: 2022-12-10, 02:46:39 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-09, 20:47:02 His name has been associated with lasers, because of the "death beam": "Nikola Tesla claimed to have invented a "death beam" which he called teleforce in the 1930s and continued the claims up until his death." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_ray IMO more likely talking about the carbon button proto-laser experiments in the 1890's. shorturl.at/gmryK and https://www.tesla-book.com/did-tesla-invent-the-laser --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #4 on: 2022-12-10, 11:33:05 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-10, 02:46:39 IMO more likely talking about the carbon button proto-laser experiments in the 1890's. shorturl.at/gmryK and https://www.tesla-book.com/did-tesla-invent-the-laser "They emit a uniform wavelength of light" Good examples. This is the kind of conspiracy talk you find around Tesla, so stupid and uncorrelated with any facts that there is nothing to answer. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #5 on: 2022-12-10, 13:39:46 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-10, 11:33:05 Good examples. This is the kind of conspiracy talk you find around Tesla, so stupid and uncorrelated with any facts that there is nothing to answer. Prejudice is making judgements without knowing the subject material. Much easier to speak than it is to study. If you were more versed in Tesla's 1880's-1900 work you would likely have understood the connection between Tesla, carbon/button lamps and laser tech. I can dig up a bit more info if you're legitimately curious. (also know someone working on authentic replica Tesla carbon button lamps that is pretty well-versed in that era of work) ------------------------ Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? RubyLaser.png (5.37 kB, 694x110 - viewed 348 times.) « Last Edit: 2022-12-10, 15:23:18 by Hakasays » --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #6 on: 2022-12-10, 18:29:44 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	F6FLT Quote His name has been associated with lasers, because of the "death beam": "Nikola Tesla claimed to have invented a "death beam" which he called teleforce in the 1930s and continued the claims up until his death." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_ray Wikipedia is not a credible source and most knowledgeable people understand the difference between a laser and a particle beam. Quote A laser uses light energy. A particle beam uses kinetic energy of atomic or subatomic particles. A laser will not produce secondary radiation other than heat. A particle beam can produce secondary radiation, including x-rays and other ionizing radiation. Quote and also to the motor: "Tesla's AC Induction Motor is one of the 10 greatest discoveries of all time" https://www.teslasociety.com/hall_of_fame.htm Most knowledgeable people understand when some say "Tesla AC Induction motor" they mean the motor Tesla invented which is the Polyphase Induction Motor. In effect, all your arguing is that most people don't really understand technology or the terminology which should be obvious. As such we could apply this same narrative to almost any inventors work which many also do not understand. What was your point again?... AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #7 on: 2022-12-11, 10:39:57 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-10, 13:39:46 Prejudice is making judgements without knowing the subject material... I agree. That's why I talk about conspiracy theories about all these myths around Tesla. If some ignorant people really think that Tesla knew how to transmit energy at great distances or had a death ray, let them demonstrate it, or shut up. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth, if nobody tries to replicate the work « Reply #8 on: 2022-12-11, 17:16:10 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-11, 10:39:57 I agree. That's why I talk about conspiracy theories about all these myths around Tesla. If some ignorant people really think that Tesla knew how to transmit energy at great distances or had a death ray, let them demonstrate it, or shut up. You will remain many steps behind if everyone else is doing all the research+experimentation for you. The researchers+EE's with the most success actually replicating Tesla's work say we've only scratched the surface. The ones without even an engineering background (like Rousseau as posted above) are the most eager to dismiss. That by itself is quite an interesting dichotomy. --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #9 on: 2022-12-11, 18:22:02 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	F6FLT Quote If some ignorant people really think that Tesla knew how to transmit energy at great distances or had a death ray, let them demonstrate it, or shut up. Imagine where we would be if we told everyone including scientists to demonstrate every "theory" or shut up. In fact much in science is theoretical and has never been proven by demonstration. It's also kind of ironic that your false belief Tesla didn't transmit energy or build a particle beam is just a theory. In fact, there were many credible eyewitness accounts of Tesla transmitting many kilowatts of energy over large distances with no wires. In fact many companies full of credible electrical engineers have now come forward and claimed they have Tesla's wireless power technology working. Another aspect you have failed to understand is the notion of intellectual property. We know as a fact that literally thousands of big corporations and scientists are working on wireless power and particle beam technology as we speak. Anyone can find countless science papers and research on this subject proving it has merit and is of great interest. However the fact remains these big corporations are not in the business of demonstrating disruptive technology to the public. There in business to make a profit and disclosing there intellectual property to the public is not in there interests. Sorry but your nobody and don't need to know anything in there view. Another reason you may never see this technology is the fact the best and the brightest people who can do things that actually matter are hired before they even finish university. There are countless people magnitudes more intelligent and capable than you will ever be and once there hired they have to sign NDA's and are never heard from again. So it's not a conspiracy and it's not as if advanced technology doesn't exist it's just dominated by big business and profits. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth, if nobody tries to replicate the work « Reply #10 on: 2022-12-11, 18:36:47 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-12-11, 17:16:10 You will remain many steps behind if everyone else is doing all the research+experimentation for you. Those who would have done research for me are losers, as I still have to pay for my electricity. So now I do my own research, and their failures point me which way to avoid, like these myths around Tesla. Quote The researchers+EE's with the most success actually replicating Tesla's work say we've only scratched the surface. ... This idea is also a myth. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #11 on: 2022-12-11, 18:43:40 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022-12-11, 18:22:02 F6FLT Imagine where we would be if we told everyone including scientists to demonstrate every "theory" or shut up. In fact much in science is theoretical and has never been proven by demonstration. ... You're mixing apples and oranges. Scientists can speak, even about new and uncertain things, because they know how to express them in a refutable way. The work of scientists is refutable, not the myths around Tesla which are the affirmation of mere beliefs. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth, if nobody tries to replicate the work « Reply #12 on: 2022-12-11, 19:06:59 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-11, 18:36:47 Those who would have done research for me are losers, as I still have to pay for my electricity. So now I do my own research, and their failures point me which way to avoid, like these myths around Tesla. This idea is also a myth. Not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you suggesting that because Tesla has 'fanboys' and myths associated that his work is somehow invalid/inaccurate? If you don't feel there is anything of value, perhaps you just haven't explored deeply enough? Based on your responses thus-far I can see there are some pretty big gaps in your knowledge of Tesla's work. --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #13 on: 2022-12-11, 19:35:58 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	F6FLT Quote You're mixing apples and oranges. Scientists can speak, even about new and uncertain things, because they know how to express them in a refutable way. The work of scientists is refutable, not the myths about Tesla. I know many scientists and your wrong on many levels... First, scientists are people and still need a job just like anyone else. Key work "job" and it's there employer who determines what they can talk about and to whom usually through NDA's. Your not naive enough to think there just chatting about there work on advanced or disruptive tech to anyone do you?. In fact most universities now have corporate sponsors or the newest prostitution of science becoming there own corporation. Universities cherry picking the best students, hiring them, forced NDA's and owning all the students work. I think your also getting confused about the kind of science in question. Nobody really cares about a scientist studying the mating habits of tree frogs but advanced or disruptive tech is a completely different matter. The most obvious objection even a six year old could understand is that free energy, wireless power or particle beams obviously have military applications. Are you that naive that it never occurred to you any military with this kind of technology could own the battlefield. You seem to be living in a fairy tale world completely misguided as to how it actually works. Do you watch the news?, Russia is carpet bombing Ukraine out of existence for no other reason than to seize it's assets. It's about power, greed, big business and money. Russia is executing scientists who may be a threat to there business or military interests. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Grumpy	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #14 on: 2022-12-11, 20:41:36 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Tesla's work has been misrepresented, misinterpreted, and used the the interest of others since his death (actually even before his death). Anyone who truly researched Tesla, would know that many of his technical writings (several full trunks) were confiscated after his death, and that only some of these were returned to his relatives. The US FBI vault has several of of Tesla's papers and notes and memos of their own FBI investigations, but when you look at them you will see that they are cherry picked and anything useful has been redacted (blacked out).

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #15 on: 2022-12-11, 21:37:43 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	There is also some confusion about the notion of all scientists and science globally... In the Western world and Europe science has a pretty free reign outside the context of energy or anything having a military application. However in many communist(Russia, China) or radicalized/fascist countries (Iran, Middle East) scientists are routinely thrown in prison or executed. In many radicalized or islamic countries the science must also agree with religious dogma or again the scientist is imprisoned or executed. So this notion that any intelligent or scientific people can say whatever they want and do anything is grossly naive. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #16 on: 2022-12-11, 23:07:15 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: Grumpy on 2022-12-11, 20:41:36 The US FBI vault has several of of Tesla's papers and notes and memos of their own FBI investigations, but when you look at them you will see that they are cherry picked and anything useful has been redacted (blacked out). Yeah, all of the declassified documents I've seen were 3rdhand documents ABOUT Tesla (IE: newspaper clippings). I'm not sure anyone has been able to find any of the confiscated documents written BY Tesla. Ten trunks of missing notes+papers from a man with such incredible claims really helped to spurn the posthumous legend. --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #17 on: 2022-12-12, 06:54:45 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	A few Tesla quotes about energy... Quote We have to evolve means for obtaining energy from stores which are forever inexhaustible, to perfect methods which do not imply consumption and waste of any material whatever. I now feel sure that the realization of that idea is not far off. ...the possibilities of the development I refer to, namely, that of the operation of engines on any point of the earth by the energy of the medium. Quote We are whirling through endless space with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy. There mart be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly. Then; with the light obtained from the medium, with the power derived from it, with every form of energy obtained without effort, from the store forever inexhaustible, humanity will advance with giant strides. The mere contemplation of these magnificent possibilities expand our minds, strengthens our hopes and and fills our hearts with supreme delight. Quote Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels. There should be no confusion about what Tesla was referring to here. An inexhaustible energy source present everywhere in unlimited quantities. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #18 on: 2022-12-12, 08:06:03 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022-12-11, 19:35:58 F6FLT I know many scientists and your wrong on many levels... ... Of course, you know everything about everything better than anyone else, you keep saying so. The pity is that you never provide any proof of this, only tall tales and conspiracy theories based on sophisms. Why do you want to talk when nothing you say is operational? I don't think we are here to listen to preaching. So once again "If some ignorant people really think that Tesla knew how to transmit energy at great distances or had a death ray, let them demonstrate it, or shut up". --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #19 on: 2022-12-12, 08:07:29 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Grumpy on 2022-12-11, 20:41:36 Tesla's work has been misrepresented, misinterpreted, and used the the interest of others since his death (actually even before his death). ... Myth. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #20 on: 2022-12-12, 13:20:14 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-12, 08:07:29 Myth. I don't think you're enough of an expert on Tesla's works to make such a broad assertion. --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

Allcanadian	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #21 on: 2022-12-12, 17:57:35 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	As I said prior, There should be no confusion about what Tesla was referring to. An inexhaustible energy source present everywhere in unlimited quantities. In this respect paid shills from the energy and fossil fuel sector have been trying to minimize Tesla's work and these forums for decades. https://grist.org/climate/how-the-oil-industry-pumped-americans-full-of-fake-news/ Quote Creating a cloud of confusion around established science is one of their well-known tactics. Exxon and the coal industry knew about global warming as early as the 1960s; instead of telling the public, they spread doubt about the science behind it. That’s just one facet of the fossil fuel industry’s propaganda machine. Quote Astroturfing: What better way to counter grassroots activists than to fake your own grassroots group? This practice, called “astroturfing,” was the brainchild of Daniel Edelman, a PR whiz who advised Mobil Oil, Big Tobacco, and many other companies in the mid-20th century. There are now hundreds of fake front groups backed by oil-funded lobbying groups Quote False equivalence: Herb Schmertz, who advised Mobil starting in the 1960s, took an aggressive stance toward the press. He’d attack any journalist or outlet critical of his company, arguing that they weren’t hearing Mobil’s side of the story, and then watch them overcorrect in the next edition. It begs the question, what kind of sadistic person would sell out there own children, mankind and the planet for a few dollars as a paid shill?. In my opinion they would need to have literally no empathy or self-respect to lower themselves to that pathetic level. It's simply beyond my ability to reason how a person could get off on hurting others and revel in there own sadistic self-destruction. It's strange because in the past I had supervisors who often told me to do something I knew was wrong and I always told them to go fuck themselves. It was easy and I didn't think much of it because my integrity was worth more than some loser or a job, jobs are a dime a dozen. So it's hard to understand how these paid shills could think so little of themselves and be so desperate. It's just beyond me... AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Grumpy	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #22 on: 2022-12-12, 21:27:47 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-12, 08:07:29 Myth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleforce The idea of a "death ray" was a misunderstanding in regard to Tesla's term when he referred to his invention as a "death beam" so Tesla went on to explain that "this invention of mine does not contemplate the use of any so-called 'death rays.' Rays are not applicable because they cannot be produced in requisite quantities and diminish rapidly in intensity with distance. All the energy of New York City (approximately two million horsepower) transformed into rays and projected twenty miles, could not kill a human being, because, according to a well known law of physics, it would disperse to such an extent as to be ineffectual. My apparatus projects particles ... Tesla claimed that his apparatus produced particles, so that sounds more like a particle beam of some sort: My apparatus projects particles which may be relatively large or of microscopic dimensions, enabling us to convey to a small area at a great distance trillions of times more energy than is possible with rays of any kind. Many thousands of horsepower can thus be transmitted by a stream thinner than a hair, so that nothing can resist. The nozzle would send concentrated beams of particles through the free air, of such tremendous energy that they will bring down a fleet of 10,000 enemy airplanes at a distance of 200 miles from a defending nation's border and will cause armies to drop dead in their tracks. Maybe this is why his technical papers are still classified or some other reason to hold and not release them. In 1937, Tesla wrote a treatise, "The Art of Projecting Concentrated Non-dispersive Energy through the Natural Media", concerning charged particle beam weapons. Tesla published the document in an attempt to expound on the technical description of a 'superweapon" that would put an end to all war." This treatise is currently in the Nikola Tesla Museum archive in Belgrade. It describes an open-ended vacuum tube with a gas jet seal that allows particles to exit, a method of charging particles to millions of volts, and a method of creating and directing non-dispersive particle streams (through electrostatic repulsion). The treatise mentioned would make an interesting read if it were available online. EDIT: found the treatise mentioned above, but have not read it yet. https://teslaresearch.jimdofree.com/death-ray/the-new-art-of-projecting-concentrated-non-dispersive-energy-through-natural-media-briefly-exposed-by-nikola-tesla-circa-may-16-1935/

F6FLT	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #23 on: 2022-12-13, 12:23:40 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Nobody denies electrostatic repulsion, it is conventional science that has explained it. Electrostatic repulsion could be used to send a heavy object really far, even if magnetic guns are more effective at that, but in no case to send "beams of particles through the free air of such tremendous energy that they will bring down a fleet of 10,000 enemy airplanes at a distance of 200 miles". So either Tesla did not understand electrostatic repulsion or the braking effect of air on particles (even cosmic particles of considerable energy are stopped by the upper atmosphere), or what he was talking about was something else and obviously it has remained a myth. Mixing everything and anything to justify Tesla's extravagant statements or the conspiracy sites that report them can't prove anything, it is manipulation. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Hakasays	Re: Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality? « Reply #24 on: 2022-12-13, 12:55:28 »
Hero Member Posts: 568	Quote from: F6FLT on 2022-12-13, 12:23:40 Nobody denies electrostatic repulsion, it is conventional science that has explained it. Electrostatic repulsion could be used to send a heavy object really far, even if magnetic guns are more effective at that, but in no case to send "beams of particles through the free air of such tremendous energy that they will bring down a fleet of 10,000 enemy airplanes at a distance of 200 miles". So either Tesla did not understand electrostatic repulsion or the braking effect of air on particles (even cosmic particles of considerable energy are stopped by the upper atmosphere), or what he was talking about was something else and obviously it has remained a myth. Mixing everything and anything to justify Tesla's extravagant statements or the conspiracy sites that report them can't prove anything, it is manipulation. How well-versed are you on the 'stinging rays' experiments? And what references did you you use to conclude such a system would be predominantly electrostatic? I've not personally seen any 'death ray' designs from Tesla and I suspect the notes are still in some dark, moldy corner of an FBI evidence locker. Would rather see more data before passing broad judgement. --------------------------- "An overly-skeptical scientist might hastily conclude by scooping and analyzing a thousand buckets of ocean water that the ocean has no fish in it."

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