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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #100 on: 2022-09-14, 14:39:56 »

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So for Einstein, QM is correct, it predicts the probability of a quantum event, but the specific result of a measurement would have an underlying cause according to him, contrary to Bohr's opinion that it is at random. It is not yet clear who would be right or wrong. Although I doubt, as Einstein did, that chance has any place in physics, my personal opinion is that Einstein is neither right nor wrong, but that we must understand differently the causality that is undermined in quantum experiments.

Good clarification.  My point was on how many unlikely/impossible views historically are simply due to the paradigm in use at the time.

While heavier-than-air flight is indeed impossible from a static perspective, when you add dynamic motion and the right conditions, you introduce new solutions and asymmetries that do allow for it.


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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #101 on: 2022-09-14, 16:47:36 »
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While heavier-than-air flight is indeed impossible from a static perspective, when you add dynamic motion and the right conditions, you introduce new solutions and asymmetries that do allow for it.

I agree and most people don't understand the real history of flight. 5000 years ago the ancient Egyptians understood static electricity and studied birds/built toy paper gliders. They were not stupid yet many believe the Americans miraculously invented flying devices and electricity less than 100 years ago. In fact many countries have slowly been "rewriting" there own version of history.

For example, many claim Einstein didn't even come up with GR and it was plagiarized from a french physicist named Louis de Broglie. Similar to the fact that Edison wasn't the greatest inventor, not even remotely close, and is only credited with inventing a few things. What Edison did do is steal or buy others inventions and patent them under the Edison corporation. Yet if we do a google search on the greatest inventor who's name always comes up?... Edison, which is a blatant lie.

So a person needs to be careful when doing research because the internet is littered with paid shills and special interests. In fact, I watched a documentary where anyone can hire a call center in US/India/Russia to spam the internet with whatever nonsense they want. As well many popular search engines like google exclude certain content and different search engines give completely different results. It's not a conspiracy, more so people or corporations wanting to protect there beliefs/interests which is natural.

As a researcher it makes our lives much more difficult because the most popular explanation or version of history is seldom if ever accurate.

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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #102 on: 2022-09-14, 17:07:48 »
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Quote from: Hakasays on 2022-09-14, 14:39:56
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While heavier-than-air flight is indeed impossible from a static perspective, when you add dynamic motion and the right conditions, you introduce new solutions and asymmetries that do allow for it.

I agree, we must always put ourselves in context.
Scientists don't talk about impossibility except in a precise framework. When Lord Kelvin declared heavier-than-air flight impossible, we are in 1895 and he made his calculation from the weight/energy ratio of the engines of the time. It is in this framework and only in this framework that it was impossible. He was right.

Not only the scientists of the time, but also the general public, knew that birds were heavier than air and yet flew. Nobody thought that "heavier-than-air flight" was absolutely impossible, and certainly not Lord Kelvin or the scientists, since everybody had the proof of the contrary by looking outside.

Everyone should understand what I just explained. I don't doubt that you do. By some references you gave, I could guess that academic science is also of interest to you and has some credibility.
But you should know that I have seen many ignorant people taking this example of "heavier-than-air flight impossible", taking Kelvin for a fool (Dunning-Kruger effect), to say that everything would be possible in spite of scientific knowledge. These people have not understood anything. It is not with such childish and general remarks that one can challenge scientific knowledge, but by going on its ground, that of the internal logic of the theories, that of the rigor of its mathematical language, that of their quantified predictions and their confrontation with measurements.



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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #103 on: 2022-09-14, 17:23:31 »
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many claim Einstein didn't even come up with GR and it was plagiarized from a french physicist named Louis de Broglie.
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You are mistaken about the French physicist, it is not De Broglie but Henri Poincaré who had realized all the mathematical formulation of the principles of general relativity, that Einstein was accused of plagiarizing.

But Henri Poincaré was more a mathematician than a physicist. Imho he did not understand the importance of his equations from a physical point of view, that they could constitute the architecture of a new and independent theory. Einstein was aware of Poincaré's work, but only for general relativity (special relativity is his alone), he was certainly inspired by it and that was a determining factor, but that's how scientific progress goes, everyone influences each other. Einstein did not plagiarize anyone, he succeeded in synthesizing what was, among physicists, in the air.


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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #104 on: 2022-09-14, 18:09:51 »
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Scientists don't talk about impossibility except in a precise framework. When Lord Kelvin declared heavier-than-air flight impossible, we are in 1895 and he made his calculation from the weight/energy ratio of the engines of the time. It is in this framework and only in this framework that it was impossible. He was right.

I disagree, if Kelvin knew heavier-than-air flight was possible but dependent on engines he should have been more specific. Such as "heavier-than-air flight is impossible at this point in time because our engines are heavy and weak". Anything less is generalized and probably misleading. If as you claim, "Scientists don't talk about impossibility except in a precise framework", then why did a scientist like Kelvin make an ambiguous statement?.

For example, Free Energy is possible using the same kind of reasoning heavier-than-air flight was possible. As Kelvin probably eluded, they had almost all the facts they needed to build an airplane but they did not have the understanding and technology to make one fly at that time. By the same reasoning the facts show we are swimming in a sea of energy but most do not have the understanding and technology to extract said energy at this time. In fact, Richard Feynman claimed as much in one of his lectures. Feynman implied energy isn't the problem the very small atomic scale where the motion/energy takes place is. If we could interact with the energy proven to be present on that scale then we could have all the energy we want anywhere for next to nothing.

Of course, the misinformed could assume the energy came out of nowhere however we know that's not true. My favorite fallacy is when someone claims to believe in the conservation of energy then in the next breath claims a FE device must have violated it, so which is it, can it be violated or not?. If not then obviously the energy must have come from somewhere...

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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #105 on: 2022-09-14, 20:22:00 »
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I disagree, if Kelvin knew heavier-than-air flight was possible but dependent on engines he should have been more specific.
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You know everything, not only about science, but also about psychology, unlike that idiot Kelvin, that lousy pioneer of thermoelectricity who didn't even know that birds were heavier than air, who didn't even bother to specify the context of his remark for the less perceptive, and who only left his name to a temperature scale.

When the new brilliant minds of free energy produce it to the extent of their denigration of scientists, a great step will be taken for humanity.   ;D ;D


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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #106 on: 2022-09-14, 20:44:28 »
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You know everything, not only about science, but also about psychology, unlike that idiot Kelvin, that lousy pioneer of thermoelectricity who didn't even know that birds were heavier than air, who didn't even bother to specify the context of his remark for the less perceptive, and who only left his name to a temperature scale.

"Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"...Richard Feynman.

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When the new brilliant minds of free energy produce it to the extent of their denigration of scientists, a great step will be taken for humanity.

Possibly however I don't think anyone needs to be brilliant or have multiple PhD's. They only need to be creative, imaginative, do real experiments to prove a matter for themselves and make something work. The mistake many fellow inventors make is in thinking they need to impress or prove themselves to others. For example there are many cases in the literature where a person/inventor was found to be powering there house off grid for decades with explainable devices. Apparently they figured out how all this works and didn't feel the need to tell others who tend to lose there mind when confronted with the unknown. I tend to agree with this approach...

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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #107 on: 2022-09-15, 10:52:45 »
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"Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"...Richard Feynman.

It's not about respecting authority, it's about respecting competence. And for that, you have to know how to recognize it where it is, and therefore have a minimum of it yourself.
In the field of free energy, those who talk about current, magnetic field, electrons... while knowing how these notions are defined, are the exception. This ignorance of the scientific bases is one of the causes of their failures, and in addition they pretend to explain the secrets of so-and-so, giving delirious explanations to banal phenomena that they believe to be extraordinary.
Their only knowledge is that of a misunderstood scientific vulgarization, they talk about concepts coming from scientists as learned monkeys imitate man.

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Possibly however I don't think anyone needs to be brilliant or have multiple PhD's. They only need to be creative, imaginative, do real experiments to prove a matter for themselves and make something work.
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I am not saying the contrary. So it is necessary to understand that the new free energy minds are neither creative nor imaginative since they do not produce any free energy.

Would they have forgotten that we are not in the artistic field but in the technology, and that the imagination must be confronted to the physical reality of the universe?
And that there is already a human knowledge about it, and that all the naiveties, the inconsistencies, and the foolishness that they tell us, and that the pioneers could have done at one time while building this knowledge, have been eliminated for good logical and observational reasons?

When they will understand that the reason of their permanent failures is that their ignorance and their pretentiousness is such that they have everything to learn from academic science before hoping for the slightest beginning of invention by themselves, a big step will be taken, too.



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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #108 on: 2022-09-15, 17:07:06 »
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"Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"...Richard Feynman.

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It's not about respecting authority, it's about respecting competence. And for that, you have to know how to recognize it where it is, and therefore have a minimum of it yourself.
In the field of free energy, those who talk about current, magnetic field, electrons... while knowing how these notions are defined, are the exception. This ignorance of the scientific bases is one of the causes of their failures, and in addition they pretend to explain the secrets of so-and-so, giving delirious explanations to banal phenomena that they believe to be extraordinary.
Their only knowledge is that of a misunderstood scientific vulgarization, they talk about concepts coming from scientists as learned monkeys imitate man.

That's an interesting interpretation of Feynman's quote. I read... forget who made the argument and ask yourself, is it reasonable?.

For example, when someone denies were swimming in a sea of energy despite all the facts we know proving this is the case. Then implies nobody could ever be smart enough to extract 1 watt of it... I find that unreasonable.

Equally unreasonable is when someone twists the facts claiming most truly believe they can get something from nothing which is not the case. Then claims a device must violate the COE when they should understand why it cannot be violated. I find this unreasonable because it is misleading and contradictory.

What I do find reasonable is the notion that the millions of people experimenting on electrical/energy systems daily could discover something new unknown to us. I base this on the fact that our history has proven this is the case countless times. Every day someone somewhere discovers something new we never thought of or thought impossible. I don't think that's an unreasonable argument...

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Re: Principles of Operation « Reply #109 on: 2022-09-15, 17:37:22 »
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"Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"...Richard Feynman.

That's an interesting interpretation of Feynman's quote. I read... forget who made the argument and ask yourself, is it reasonable?.

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You completely missed the point. My answer does not concern Feynman with whom I agree on the refusal of the argument of authority.

It concerns your off-topic placement of Feynman's quote, since it is the argument from competence that must be respected, and this can also come from authority, such as Kelvin.

If the false always came from authority and the true from the omniscience of those who think they have an open mind because they don't have a PhD, we would already have Free energy. Unfortunately the latter is the exception, and as far as free energy is concerned, this exception has not yet occurred.



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