Engine hydrogen generator without Electrolysis Cell

russwr	Engine hydrogen generator without Electrolysis Cell « on: 2022-06-16, 21:06:00 »
Full Member Posts: 119	2008 alternate energy electrical project was done in Georgia running Briggs 18HP mower engine on water only in carburetor. Videos still available even though web site shut down. See S1R9A9M9 You tube videos 1+2, and internet data. Small minute hydrogen gas from 6-7 amp current through spark plug with water vapor pressure generated, runs engine idle speed, with timing changed to -34 degrees ATDC. Magnetism required at spark plug tip provided by triple hand wound coils assembly. Same current chokes ignition coil wire of 5 turns, as also going through plug. Backyard demonstration had no safety factors such as fuses, diodes bank protection of battery from ignition. Battery start, battery removed. Engine was self running from on board ring "dual" alternators, once started. Needs also inline accessary spark gap. Danger of expensive electrolysis cell removed. Efficiency was increased of earlier 2005-2008 car 4cyl ,V6, V8 tested car conversions with needed adjustable EGR applied. The 78% Nitrogen in air is compressed by engine pump, and some exhaust drippings put back in water tank. Nitrogen compound embedded in water smooths out running engine. Final boosted voltage secondary side converter, - Power draw required 6-7 amps DC per firing, through zero ohms spark plug, through adjustable power resistor. What's really required is hand made DC to DC boost converter with input + output 2 grounds protection through high frequency "isolation transformer". Consumer units are too expensive as $250. If you see videos, the 2 men were soon to be in danger of acid burns from damaged popped car battery. Others did construction attempts and did get hurt, so as online notes were purposedly changed and project dropped. Nathren said it was his best of several projects in the past. Now Shut down- "Yahoo, groups, Watercar 1978"

russwr	Re: Engine hydrogen generator without Electrolysis Cell « Reply #1 on: 2023-09-03, 23:31:44 »
Full Member Posts: 119	Way back in time, Aaron showed a diagram that the microwave diode hooked to only 2 series diodes to ground would give the same effect for spark plasma. This may be an error. His US Patent has a charged capacitor releasing EXISTING left over residual energy through a high voltage diode to make larger spark. His other data talks about high volts pressing against an ON diode that shuts off and reversing back to spark plug. It seems to me that a diode needs a small voltage on it to be in an ON STATE, and a MUCH higher volts just to get the higher spark blast.? My original assumption was that Nathren (S1R9A9M9) also used one set of dual coils relays on the Briggs MOWER engine, since the sets also worked on the earlier car conversions.Then there is also OHMS law for circuit total resistance required for the 10amps flow through the 125 ohm spark plug. I have his original statements from the website about extra parts included in plastic tub on side of mower engine, with the S1R triple coils and an Inductor from a relay of about 1.5Millihenry. He would have also included accessory spark gap, diodes, and a 400v distributor CONDENSER, --- as a play on words, as he said "no capacitor was used". The charged condenser with diode output would also add EFFECT to the firing spark plug, as long as there was somewhere a ground point in behind diode. His final report was not forthcoming, and we are left to figure it out on our own work benches. Does any one know if Aaron's special circuit would work with coil inductor on voltage, or if it would "hold" a charge like a Cap does? The twin conductor extension cord was hooked to exact ground under spark plug as part of the "Y" with other end hooked to plastic tub. The male plug was probably bridged. This was either a LONG required ground return line back to the Batt/ Alternator, or an actual ground wire for the tub circuit. There were 3 wires entering tub with 2 output wires. The High volts and low volts was a joint inside tub. (Yes- the ignition volts was on the battery and alternator as a hazzard) The Briggs engine started with 12v battery, then battery completely disconnected, and circuit then ran on the under flywheel dual alternators with the revolving 12 MAGNETS. See his mower engine again, self running on water in carb. S1R9A9M9 You tube viodeos 1+2. Nathren's schematic diagram for water powered circuit for Chevy auto 8 cylinders shows certain facing diodes, so that the negative firing 1978 HEI ignition coil would not fire spark plugs. Ignition bypasses plugs and goes to ground through 2 diodes. The old style coil in distributor cap type could have had the 2 primary wires switched around , so,as having POSITIVE high voltage output, which then would fire the plugs. The low voltage power in was halfwave pulsing DC , so as no diodes of a Bridge Rectifier there for a source to ground for a special separate diode discharge. The 2 technicians in the Georgia work shop did not tell Nathren everything. He even believed the car spark plugs with 10 flowing amps were original copper Autolite type with 6000 ohms resistance. As him being a non technical person, I can see now why a detailed work booklet was not going to be available to the public.

russwr	Re: Engine hydrogen generator without Electrolysis Cell « Reply #2 on: 2023-09-08, 16:29:20 »
Full Member Posts: 119	A successful conversion of a small mower engine to run on water in carburetor, is based on several actions at the same time. The ignition type has to be inductive ignition, not capacitor discharge ignition. This means the amps flowing through the spark plug must be from a DC power supply. The speed of CDI is too fast for proper contact with water molecules to MAKE hydrogen gas and water vapor pressure. The current has to be low, so as the tiny tips of plugs don't get burned out. The best setting was called 6-7 amps DC pulse according to S1R9A9M9. Nathren , in 2005-2012 worked with the 2 technicians in the shop for testing building alternate energy related set ups. Ignition primary wires can be switched around to get the opposite output polarity high volts. One man was his son who had the same name. They both contributed tech data on the previous website that is now closed down. So you have either positive or negative high voltage, diodes facing proper direction, proper resistance in circuit based on OHMS Laws, time delay lines added for way late retarded timing to -34 degrees, required magnetic field that travels down to plug tips ,and 6-7 amps DC current. The high volts pulse is NOT good enough to provide a proper PLASMA PATH for the expected current to pass through plugs. What is used is an added small circuit that has a SMALL capacitor charged with about 200v DC against a blocking 15kv FAST diode , hooked to the capacitor output. The initial high V. pulse out, in split second ,sees a different path rather than the effort for the spark gap. It presses against the ON diode that abruptly shuts off , compressing the high volts against the diode , that then reverses back and fires spark plug.. It takes with it, the small cap discharge very fast, providing energy path for the waiting main current. The delay line is provided by wire turns over the plug wiring, and also an inductor coil of about 1.5Millihenry in the high volts line. The Briggs mower has preset non adjustable timing at TDC. The Mag field stretches the firing time out to -34 degrees along with the the extra L coil.(see data on the S1R9A9M9 triple wire coils assembly that has several purposes same time). The MAIN power supply is to be called ISOLATED grounds, as is done with an Inverter box with a transformer separate secondary side with output single diode for about 45 volts pulsing half wave DC output. No filter capacitor. Output has to go through a safety series bank of 15kv total protection diodes . This short length series diode bank rests vertically on horizontal 80mm 12v fan .3amp, with see through plastic shroud. The heat released is blown upwards away from the diodes. Either FR607 with dual set screws European type wire terminal connectors, or fast flat plastic DTV32F plastic damper diodes on narrow aluminum heat sink. The inverter isolation separates the battery ground with the output power ground. The miniature added P.S. is a 150 watt 20khz open board inverter with fast bridge rectifier you add on. Two output.wires are soldered to the appropriate terminals for 200v AC. .The high volts sees the 2 diodes in the bridge through the ON 15Kv diode. It wants to bypass the plug gap effort, by going different route seeking the opposite high V polarity terminal. But the microwave diode stops it, and reverses back to plug. This technique is US Patented, US8555867B2 and has this output diode added to the capacitor that is on a regular type CDI . The left over energy, from firing Primary of ignition coil , goes through high volts diode along and goes with with the high voltage that fires plug. (Just firing ignition does not allow extra main energy current to pass to plugs. ) The small board power has to have enough watts and current to keep recharging the minimum 45uf 400v cap in between firings. The MAIN extra energy comes from the Inverter power supply. The ignition voltage has to be extended in time of milliseconds for more contact with the water. The CDI type deals with microseconds. The 15KV diode is said to also release RADIANT ENERGY that travels down to the combustion chamber. Tesla worked with this and had written about other special circuits for that purpose. See data on Tesla Hair Pin circuit that has extra spark gap and 2 capacitors output that releases radiant Energy. The earlier Georgia S1R9A9M9 car conversions all used special dual coils relay per cylinder, and they were IN VACUUM. I just assumed that the radiant energy if provided, was enclosed and not lost in the air, so as it would travel with the circuit all the way to spark plugs. They had diode, coil, diode, coil , diode to output. The high volts came in after the 2nd diode. Th L coil charge from inverter was in front of the 2nd diode. They called them the "Magic Relays'. The required magnetic field came from them and traveled down the wire. (Also, a North + South neodymium magnetic ring type magnet fits over a steel spark plug and field is also there at the tips in combustion chamber-just another idea.

russwr	Re: Engine hydrogen generator without Electrolysis Cell « Reply #3 on: 2023-09-21, 04:37:27 »
Full Member Posts: 119	Other methods to increase ignition voltage can be insertion into a pulse type, step up transformer, laminations type, with the ratio desired . Since ignition is just pulse voltage out one direction and not AC, the common multiplier circuit can't be used. The other method is to add accessory spark gap with attached PF capacitors in and hooked to air core copper coils transformer of about 1:3 ratio. (Small voltage type Tesla coil / Tesla hair pin circuit with Radiant Energy)