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This is not how a discussion looks
Looks like a reboot of fights ?

If you understand the value to FE community of your words about Tesla and resonance ?
 Make an explanation please…
It you don’t understand how it leads to a gain mechanism.. say so

If you do understand how it works! ( successful proof)
Teach !

Wrong forum for fights ..
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I wrote papers on the aether 20 years ago and trawling through my memory sticks I have found two of them.  This bench may not be the best place for them but here they are.  I never got round to writing the paper on magnetic fields and I am too old (nearly 90) to do it now.

Strange, I was mulling through my files recently and found your papers. I saved them because they were insightful and had value to me, good work.

I think of it this way, we know particles have fields and said fields extend out into the surrounding space. Where do the fields come from, why do they exist?. There must be a valid reason yet some would suppose the field exists for no reason because they do like the answers which come to mind.

For example, if the conservation of energy holds then logically the primary fields E,B,G must be induced ie. an influence from something else. Otherwise we would have to assume the particle/body "acted on itself" for no apparent reason which is absurd. Similar to the notion of Inertia where an object opposes a change in motion with no supposed external interaction. Then they try to explain inertia as the interaction between two bodies. As if two bodies which "act on themselves" somehow explains the phenomena better than one, lol. It would seem to me logic and reason has left the building.

It begs the question, why is there such great opposition to the notion of something like a medium filling all space?. I think the answer is obvious, if there was a medium this not only represents vast quantities of energy but also a means to act on space ie. massless propulsion. Note I did not say "reactionless" which is obviously not the same thing.

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This is not how a discussion looks
Looks like a reboot of fights ?

If you understand the value to FE community of your words about Tesla and resonance ?
 Make an explanation please…
It you don’t understand how it leads to a gain mechanism.. say so

If you do understand how it works! ( successful proof)
Teach !

Wrong forum for fights ..
Respectfully
Chet K
As far as this thread is concerned it's about where the energy comes from, and it's not from Dr Decorum or his tower
that's some thing else and we are not interested in greed advertising here and it shouldn't be on this thread.

I ask again Wesley man of infinite wisdom explain how resonance formula works with wire length of different wire lengths
while maintaining resonance when maintaining 1/4 wave, if it's not too much trouble.

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Actually,you are incorrect about Stivep’s words
He has a theory on where the energy comes from ( topic tittle)
If he wishes to make this claim here he needs to follow forum protocol
And submit for an independent replication.

If not ?
No need to write it here at all ( as fact)
Also not certain why you write this provocative “greed” word on open source research forum regarding
“Where does the energy come from “?

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Actually,you are incorrect about Stivep’s words
He has a theory on where the energy comes from ( topic tittle)
If he wishes to make this claim here he needs to follow forum protocol
And submit for an independent replication.

If not ?
No need to write it here at all ( as fact)
Also not certain why you write this provocative “greed” word on open source research forum regarding
“Where does the energy come from “?

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Chet K
Well if some one patents one of Tesla’s inventions from an old white paper then how does that affect us ?
detrimentally i would think.

Ps what’s a tittle ?

It's a strange value you seek in your reply you say one thing and place value in a different material value.
where do your true values lie ?

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Ps what a tittle ?

It's a strange value you seek in your reply you say one thing and place value in a different material value.
where do your true values lie ?

Sil

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“A strange value you seek “
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 Please define this strange value I seek ?( no idea what this refers to ?

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“And place value in a different material value “
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AG Please define the “different material value “ you write about ? No idea what this means

You seem to be talking to someone else ?
I never mentioned a single value of my own ,just forum rules regarding Stiveps claims , his claims from topic tittle “WHERE DOES THE ENERGY COME FROM “
And Stivep’s reply : writing his FE claims here as facts ( forum rules do not allow this ( require independent replication /verification )

This was always a fight at OU.com (claims without empirical evidence)
Here it’s forbidden ( scientific method applies for such claims ( independent replication).

Sorry if there was confusion on Stivep’s claims and forum rules .

AG
Could you answer these questions above addressed to me ( about my “values”??)







   
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“A strange value you seek “
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 Please define this strange value I seek ?( no idea what this refers to ?

AG
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“And place value in a different material value “
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AG Please define the “different material value “ you write about ? No idea what this means

You seem to be talking to someone else ?
I never mentioned a single value of my own ,just forum rules regarding Stiveps claims , his claims from topic tittle “WHERE DOES THE ENERGY COME FROM “
And Stivep’s reply : writing his FE claims here as facts ( forum rules do not allow this ( require independent replication /verification )

This was always a fight at OU.com (claims without empirical evidence)
Here it’s forbidden ( scientific method applies for such claims ( independent replication).

Sorry if there was confusion on Stivep’s claims and forum rules .

AG
Could you answer these questions above addressed to me ( about my “values”??)
This is all pointless meaning is lost in translation and avoids my original question, asking Wesley to define Tesla's theory of resonance ... full stop.

Suppose i said I had loads of slugs out in my garden over there i think they are called mollusks (snails)  ;D
« Last Edit: 2023-12-05, 13:27:56 by AlienGrey »
   
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If you watch this video it will explain where the energy comes from!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Z5tcy1qXE

However we need to see and understand the relationship how large windings are linked in resonance

I do so hate having to re invent the wheel, due to obstruction meaning who ever it may concern. :)

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Resonance alone can't get us OU with positive resistance.

We need resonance with negative resistance. Then amplitude is higher out than in.

so "Resonance" itself is a bit of an albatross.

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If you watch this video it will explain where the energy comes from!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Z5tcy1qXE
However we need to see and understand the relationship how large windings are linked in resonance

Of course, and if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bicycle.

Resonance describes how energy can be transferred from one place to another but in no way tells us where the energy to produce a gain might come from. Resonance only relates to a transfer in energy not energy in itself. No more than inertia can explain an opposition to motion when an object has no means to oppose anything because the space which surrounds it is supposed as empty.

Logic and reason seems to have left the building.

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Dear Wesley, could you provide information on the wiring diagram for this Soviet device?
https://zapadpribor.org/1gi0301-1-modul
Too little information, frequency, characteristic impedance, connection diagram.
Or maybe you know, this was also copied from Western models?
   
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Of course, and if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bicycle. Too much information

Resonance describes how energy can be It's not transferred from one place to another thats some thing else but in no way tells us where the energy to produce a gain might come from.( So where does a fridge magnet get it's energy from same place). It's maintained by it's environment other wise it would fall off.

Resonance only relates to a transfer in energy not energy in itself (does it are you sure about that ?). No more than inertia can explain an opposition to motion when an object has no means to oppose anything because the space which surrounds it is supposed as empty (well it's not)

Logic and reason seems to have left the building sure has  O0

« Last Edit: 2023-12-01, 16:08:47 by AlienGrey »
   
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I your equipment can simulate nature then energy is sucked from nature. You can then have one resonance on input connected to power source and second on output which is purely nature.
   
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« Last Edit: 2024-02-27, 16:54:44 by stivep »
   
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A good while ago while playing with a Tesla coil with earth ground i got a small amount of corona out the top of the winding
i noticed in a youtube clip they run an earth in side the tube this got me thinking so i used a well insulated
wire from the top of the Tesla coil back in it's bottom and up through the top and fired it up   and it started to smoke!

work that one out!

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относится к разделу электровакуумных приборов и ламп различного назначения.
По конструкции состоит из вакуумно-герметичной, жесткой оболочки, внутри которой отсутствует кислород.
application:  .
Модуль СВЧ 1ГИ03/01-1 предназначен для работы на фиксированных частотах в качестве автогенератора импульсного режима с катодной модуляцией в дециметровом диапазоне волн.
Коэффициент стоячей волны - не более 1,7
Yes,but it wonder that they give this parameter. But they do not indicate the characteristic impedance of the connectors. And anyway, why are there two of them ?
   
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isn't this a tad off topic ?
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refers to the section of electric vacuum devices and lamps for various purposes.
By design, it consists of a vacuum-sealed, rigid shell, inside which there is no oxygen.
application:   .
The microwave module 1GI03/01-1 is designed to operate at fixed frequencies as a pulse-mode self-oscillator with cathode modulation in the decimeter wavelength range.
Standing wave coefficient - no more than 1.7
   
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« Last Edit: 2024-02-27, 16:55:23 by stivep »
   
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Seems more than a tad off topic …
Chief perhaps you explain what this path towards “ where does the energy come from “
Look like ?
What are you trying to do ?


Besides quality control …reviews of product manufacturers or countries
Etc etc ( as Stivep wrote)

What does your experiment ( theoretical) look like ?
To be clear ,your research and input have always been
Quite interesting..( outside the box thinking is always good

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Chet K
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As already stated
Here no political or off topic excuses to write political commentary ( plenty of other places to write such divisive themes on internet for that ( this comment not addressed to “Chief”)


Research towards FE is goal here ..please define your experiment towards that goal ?

   

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It’s just that my compatriots could not answer anything about this device.
I'm sorry. :-[
   
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Yes I know it’s something you try to do to make money In your life ( fix /repair buy sell etc etc to try and survive day to day .

Here it’s important to not give too much political commentary or opinions ( absolutely not addressing you !! )
The other forum was constant concern ( unnecessary words which led to unnecessary conflict ( political philosophy etc )

Here it is simply not allowed , the things which helped to close the other forum ( constant fights etc needing administrative attention)
Cannot happen here ..

Perhaps such off topic questions to Stivep should go through pm ..if responses include unnecessary generalizations which ultimately violate this forum’s intent ( FE research ,non political information or opinions which are introductions to flamewars…or ?

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« Last Edit: 2024-02-27, 16:56:12 by stivep »
   
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It’s your needing to constantly write derogatory references
And insinuations towards specific countries which I refer to .( constant “digs”  which have no use whatsoever except to
Plant seeds for flamewars and battles !( regular almost daily occurrence at now closed OU.com forum !

Please write technical info without all the extras ( which I have never read here at this forum ( especially since it is forbidden by terms of service .

For clarity you are well aware of what I refer to ,as this was constant issue at Stefan’s forum .( also forbidden

I am well aware of the content our host wishes for these pages and he has Zero time to deal with terms of service violations or discussions that test the boundaries of these terms.



   
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« Last Edit: 2024-02-27, 16:56:57 by stivep »
   
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 Here it’s just the forum goal which brings people together … FE research ,testing and sharing open source.
Any other topics or distractions should look for the appropriate venues ( which there are
Probably millions on the internet)
Writing derogatory comments, example:_”This country” _or _”that country” _  Politics, religion, sports ….etc etc ( all good topics for a “dust up”at pubs or parties…
 Open source FE research ( example LENR) is a global community not bound by borders or other.

  This is our hosts (Peterae) criteria for participation in his forum , he work’s incredibly long hours, has very stressed resources ,
And cannot allow distractions to take up his extremely limited time or consume this forum towards off topic goals.

 Poynt is the other Administrator-here and also has zero time for distractions .

Read poynts power and creed ,for proper presentation of claims and guidelines etc

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Chet K
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I do luv the Chief and all who toil towards this goal!


   
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