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Vrand,

A more economical and practical approach may be to pick a vehicle that is supported by say a company such as HP Tuners.  They make the interface that plugs into the OBDII interface on all newer computer controlled cars.  Then you only need to re-program the various parameters that are already set up for normal gasoline operation such as timing, fuel air ratio, etc.  To start with a blank CPU/ECM module and attempt to create all the various PIDs and parameters would be a monumental task even for the experienced programmer much less a novice.

I have done extensive programming on GM's LS engines over the years with HP Tuner's products and believe me when I say, the learning curve is very steep to make effective changes even if you are an electrical engineer .

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Hi Pm

Thank you for the info. Will look into it.
Yes I agree, the more help the better.  We are all in this together.

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« Last Edit: 2022-03-27, 21:50:53 by vrand »
   
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Major Parts of the HHO Fuel Cell Build

The items in Bold below indicated parts I have so far.  The balance of parts such as the Ignition ECU and water misting system still needs to be purchased.

This is a minimum list of items to convert to HHO any engine up to V12 cylinder.  As can be seen the cost to build even a simple single cylinder, 10kWp Briggs & Stratton engne, up to a V12 cylinder, is only longer tubes and a larger storage tank.  All of the other parts are needed in a larger engine conversion but the cost increase is far less. 

So the min. build of a 4 cylinder engine conversion with its existing fuel injection makes sense.

As it would also save on the need to add and modify a single cylinder to be fuel injected.


- The tubular fuel cell tubes; stainless steel tubes 12" to 96" long from
      1/2" to 6" diameters, with 2 to 6 neutral tubes in-between
- Tube End Caps from epoxy/cement filled 3d printed hollow parts,
       to injection molded material to Teflon machined
- 50-400A 12-48VDC  power supply
- The steel storage HHO gas tanks 65 psi
- Water re-circulating pump, 65 psi, 10 gallons per minute, from fuel cell to gas separator
- HHO gas to water, separator tank
- HHO gas bubblier

- Engine control unit for ignition timing control to waste spark removal
- Water mister injection system
- Deep cycle 12 VDC batteries 24-48 volt DC
- ICE Engine to convert, vehicle or stationary

Stationary Applications
- Genset Electrical Generator to make electricity
- Heat exchanger to cool electrolyte and heat building space in co-generation config.

Vehicle Applications
- Cars
- Trucks
- Planes
- Ships


How a Briggs & Stratton Engine Works — A Look Inside an Engine Cutaway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugDMlaEtaCM
   
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The Jetson's Flying Car vs
Thermonuclear war, World War 3, end-of-the-world scenarios.

To turn this situation around from end-of-the-world scenario to a Jetsons flying cars scenario, that is what we're talking about here.

And once you can run your engines on HHO water then you can go vertical to flying cars.


And it's real simple to convert from fossil fuels to a water fuel, HHO Gas economy because you can use the existing engines and just convert them to run on HHO vs gasoline.

Yull Brown re-discovered what Henry "Dad" Garrett of 1930's Dallas Texas did by not separating the 2 gases, but instead kept them together as both a fuel (hydrogen) and an oxidizing agent (oxygen).

Together as a "common duct" and not separated like the old school hydrogen process.

Because there is no need to separate the hydrogen and oxygen gases.

Flying cars means no more road potholes, bumps, expensive repairs etc.

So there are lost of benefits to run your economy on water to hydrogen & oxygen gas, HHO

Another benefit is the freedom to fly wherever you want on this beautiful planet Earth

Maybe even Interstellar travel to the Moon on water

The old school process of the hydrogen economy was to separate the hydrogen and oxygen gases. They did not know of the newer developments in water electrolysis, that are more efficient then the old method of separating the hydrogen and oxygen gases. So when they envisioned an economy based on hydrogen they split the hydrogen from the oxygen in two separate gas tanks and then needed 5000 to 10,000psi high pressure hydrogen tanks to carry the fuel in cars.  Or even liquifying hydrogen at cryogenic temperature of -252.8°C.

The new way is to split water and to keep the two gases HHO together, then feed the HHO gas direct to the engine the HHO gas, when needed to be ignited in the combustion chamber of the internal combustion engine. So you carry water in your tank vs gasoline. Then only need the HHO gas when starting the engine.  No expensive liquid hydrogen or 10,000 psi steel tanks that are really heavy.

So it's only a HHo gas for a short distance from the gas separation tank to the engine. So no need for 5-10,000 psi pressure hydrogen tanks, like the old school hydrogen economy.  Just plain water.

The new school of HHO, Brown's gas, is based on neutral plates and common ducted gases.


Neutral plates then allows a higher voltage across the cell plates in cell electrolyzer cell for a more efficient total electrolysis process that is Over Unity energy breakthrough with a COP of over 50.

Henry GARRETT
Electrolytic Carburetor

http://www.rexresearch.com/hyfuel/garrett/garrett.htm



US Patent # 2,006,676
( July 2, 1935 ~ Cl. 204-5 )
Electrolytic Carburetor
Charles H. Garrett

« Last Edit: 2022-03-11, 23:47:07 by vrand »
   
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Okay that is the good stuff, free energy and flying cars, vs the possibility of end of the world scenario of nuclear war.
 
Do you know why they call it a thermonuclear nuclearwarhead? right yep because its thermal.

Thermal is heat, the heat is so hot at 15 million degrees it is hotter than the core of the Sun, yeah each nuclear weapon is hotter than the core of the Sun at 15 million degrees

So in perspective right now it's a 70° outside where we can live, anywhere between freezing up to 120 deg. max, because anything higher than 120 deg. the plants start to die.

At 15 million degrees one nuclear warhead can start a fire 20 miles away, yes, they can start a fire that's why it's called thermonuclear war, a thermonuclear device it can start a firestorm far away and when you get a firestorm it burns trees and buildings and people. So hot it burns everything and turns them to ashes the first 10 mile radius, pretty weird folks.

The 1970's bumper sticker, "that a nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day." A single nuclear warhead ignited in Southern California right at downtown LA, 30 million people will be dead, gone, turned to dust with a single 10 Megaton bomb.  30 million people dead with just one warhead. And Russia and USA each have 6000 thousand of those intercontinental ballistic missiles and each that can carry up to 10 more MIRV's warheads.

Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles. 
So a possibility of 60,000 independent warheads.  So lets call this what it is, a Planet scale death. Turning earth into a lifeless planet like Mars or our Moon.
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And also these bombs are not cheap, as the USA has spent trillions of dollars developing these weapons of mass destruction.

The cost of just one fighter plane is now $500 million each.

Now imagine that at less than 1/1000th the cost of just one fighter plane to fund a conversion of fuel in our your society from fossil to water HHO gas!

   
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And it's real simple to convert from fossil fuels to a water fuel, HHO Gas economy 

- because you can use the existing car engines, truck and genset engines
- and just convert them to run on HHO vs gasoline.
- No need to buy a 5-10k psi hydrogen pressure tanks
- No need to store Hydrogen as a liquid
- No need to store hydrogen in metal hydrides


because in a HHO Gas economy vs fossil fuel econmy

- you now will store distilled water vs gasoline in your car gas tank
- you make HHO gas On--Demand


   
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You make HHO gas On--Demand

- You imput water and electricity
- You get HHO Gas output.
- Exhaust Output is water vapor
- Electrical COP of 50

As you can see from above this is REALLY SIMPLE to do, clean for the environment and self sufficient
Just like in a car you have a 12V DC lead acid battery for starting you car, the same happens with HHO Gas production.

- you input 1kW of electricity and you get out 50kW of electricity.

Yea, that is pretty amazing to me also folks

So it looks like to me the problem was how to get the people in the HHO Gas world to the people in the Real World with the capital to invest millions, to get to know each other.

That is why I made this Blog over here at Over Unity Research, so these people can get to know of each other
and then develop it so we, the consumer, can go to Home Depot and buy one for our car or home.

Well that is my Dream.
Hang on folks, its going to get better!

 
   
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- Electrical COP of 50

- you input 1kW of electricity and you get out 50kW of electricity.

This would be wonderful if true, however, I have been reading this thread and watching the videos, etc that you have posted and I have yet to see any evidence presented that would lead me to believe overunity has been achieved (more electrical or mechanical power from combustion of the HHO than the electrical power used to create that HHO).

Now you are claiming a COP of 50 (i.e., 1kW produces 50kW).

If I may ask, what evidence can you provide that a COP of 50 has been achieved (or any evidence of overunity at all)?   

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This would be wonderful if true, however, I have been reading this thread and watching the videos, etc that you have posted and I have yet to see any evidence presented that would lead me to believe overunity has been achieved (more electrical or mechanical power from combustion of the HHO than the electrical power used to create that HHO).

Now you are claiming a COP of 50 (i.e., 1kW produces 50kW).

If I may ask, what evidence can you provide that a COP of 50 has been achieved (or any evidence of overunity at all)?   

PW

So far only videos as evidence. 

Check out his 3 hour public testing video back in 2017 of the 50kWp generator demonstration under 50kWp CAT load tester.

It looks promising to me.
   
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So far only videos as evidence. 

Check out his 3 hour public testing video back in 2017 of the 50kWp generator demonstration under 50kWp CAT load tester.

It looks promising to me.

Can you provide a link?

Thanks...
PW
   
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Can you provide a link?

Thanks...
PW

Here is a working video link to the

Last 50 KW video, tuned and polished, ready for prime time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBe-Kip9_s

For some reason the following video is now not playing.

50 KW generator running on 100% water
Live stream video
March 1, 2017 at 12:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YwnHMHHbyw

Videos I could not readily find, but I have a copy
- prep'g, ie adding water to the water tank, in the morning on the day of the 50kWp demonstration.
- 50kw FastFreddy9111 Live Stream (the one above not working)





« Last Edit: 2022-03-12, 08:38:22 by vrand »
   
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Here is a working video link to the

Last 50 KW video, tuned and polished, ready for prime time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBe-Kip9_s

For some reason the following video is now not playing.

50 KW generator running on 100% water
Live stream video
March 1, 2017 at 12:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YwnHMHHbyw

Videos I could not readily find, but I have a copy
- prep'g, ie adding water to the water tank, in the morning on the day of the 50kWp demonstration.
- 50kw FastFreddy9111 Live Stream (the one above not working)



Thanks for the link, but, as before, I see nothing to convince me he has achieved overunity.

In one of his videos from several years ago, he showed a "bubbler/dryer" inline with the gas feed to an engine's intake that he stated contained alcohol.  This is a big red flag...

In later videos running a gen set, he used a vertical clear plastic tube as a bubbler containing a clear fluid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q44hFs_la8

In the video linked above, at around 50 seconds in, cracks in the clear bubbler column are visible and are discussed as being due to pressure.  However, the nature of these cracks is more consistent with embrittlement fractures due to exposure to alcohol, a well known issue with acrylic and clear poly's.

In the following video, (it is not "third party testing" when the third party is involved in the units construction) unlike other videos, there is no bubbling action seen in the clear bubbler column while the genset is running.  As well, the genset only runs for a short period of time, consistent with running on stored/pressurized HHO until storage was depleted as opposed to running on ongoing HHO production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uY1EOMRsQ

In all other longer duration runs, bubbles are seen traveling thru the clear column and if alcohol is used in that column as a "drying" agent, this would explain the longer run times due to the genset actually running on alcohol vapors.

In the video you linked, although he has eliminated the clear bubbler , one of the various metal tanks plumbed into the system is likely used as a bubbler in place of the clear plastic bubbler.  And again, if alcohol is being used as a "drying agent", the alcohol would be a convenient source of fuel.

Were any of his claims of overunity actually true, rather than spending money on larger and larger units, far less money could have been spent on "real" third party testing.

Certified third party verification using an exhaust gas analyzer and sampling/analysis of all fluids used in the producer, along with load testing, would have changed the world as we know it ...

PW
   
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FRED WELLS JR.
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MACHINIST

Freddy's family Sports Store in Prescott, Arizona


He knows how to build rifles, complex machined parts for the build. 
And let me tell you there is a lot of work required to build this HHO fuel cell. 
He spent 12 years developing this HHO fuel cell, and he is a machinist.


My build is only 6 months, and without a machine shop, so he is WAY ahead of me in developing this breakthrough energy device.

 



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Thanks for the link, but, as before, I see nothing to convince me he has achieved overunity.

Certified third party verification using an exhaust gas analyzer and sampling/analysis of all fluids used in the producer, along with load testing, would have changed the world as we know it ...

PW

Gut feeling, intuition, videos and 25 years in this HHO field is what I am going on.

It started with Stan Meyers and his famous Water Powered VW Dune Buggy that he claimed was powered by Gas from WATER remember?
http://electricandhybridcars.com/index.php/pages/stanmeyerswaterpowered.html

Yea, I go back to the '90's.

I wish I had known other energy builders, Tesla, Phio Farnsworth, Joe Papp, as they are now just pages in a book or webpage.

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My build is only 6 months, and without a machine shop, so he is WAY ahead of me in developing this breakthrough energy device.

Surely you must agree that if even just one, of the many HHO setups claiming overunity, would have submitted to certified third party testing/exhaust gas analysis, the world as we know it (and physics) would have changed overnight.

Make the system work, in its simplest, lowest cost form, and then rather than continually spending money on larger and more complex systems, spend a few bucks getting third party verification.

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Surely you must agree that if even just one, of the many HHO setups claiming overunity, would have submitted to certified third party testing/exhaust gas analysis, the world as we know it (and physics) would have changed overnight.

Make the system work, in its simplest, lowest cost form, and then rather than continually spending money on larger and more complex systems, spend a few bucks getting third party verification.

PW

No doubt about it, that is why I am attempting in building one. Yeah, and posting my Tubular HHO Gas Fuel Cell build here.

Trying to build a HHO Cell, as there are alot of variables when building anything. Machined parts, using a 3d printer, etc. 

Called R&D


Research and Development,
that sometimes takes YEARS. And then, MAYBE it "pans out" in making a buck. 

Then you've got the Inventor to deal with.

Some inventors are really paranoid types and keeps it a secret to the grave. ie Joe Papp, Stan Meyers

Other inventors first get the patent, then talks about. ie secretive types. Tesla, Edison

Then you get an inventor builder like Freddy, HHO gas fuel cell builder, researcher, machinist, gunsmith, with years of experience, who believed in "sharing is caring" with a part of his HHO invention with me. 

Thanks again Freddy!











   
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Car Mysteries   
The mysterious death of Stanley Meyer and his water powered car:

https://tcct.com/news/2020/11/the-mysterious-death-of-stanley-meyer-and-his-water-powered-car

A mystery unresolved to this day and still very topical
03 November 2020
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The crime scene is in Grove City, Ohio, Franklin County.

With all the ingredients of the setting in the American province that is dear to crime writers.

It’s the 21st March 1998, the first day of spring, and four men are having lunch in a restaurant.

A waiter serves one of them some cranberry juice, perhaps (but we will never know for sure) chosen for dessert. This man, immediately after the first sip, suddenly gets up as if he’s gone crazy, he holds his hands around his neck, he loses his breath, runs out into the parking lot, collapses to the ground and pronounces his last words “they poisoned me”.

Steve Robinette, the lead detective on the case, collected the testimonies of everyone in the parking lot, including the final disturbing words of a man immediately identified as Stanley Meyer, a citizen of Grove City. His brother Stephen was one of the four at the table, and he heard the words spoken at the end of his life. Robinette is not one for interminable investigations. He performed a toxicology analysis, which gave no significant results, and he also spoke to the coroner, who attributed his death to a brain aneurysm, compatible with previous episodes of hypertension. In just three months, he closed the case file, sealed it with a coloured elastic band and wrote on the cover “death by natural causes”. Formally, the case was now resolved.

Interesting read
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And who is this?


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And who is this?

pray tell :)

I do not recognize him.

I called up Stan Meyers once back in the '90's, and talked to him for 1-2 min. about his water car. 

That Dude was paranoid.


He would not reveal anything.  Not even to give me a hint of his "secret" no way. no how. 

That guy was taking his secret to the grave.
   

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And who is this?
That name Nunnerley rings a bell.  I am sure I have come across a Mike Nunnerley on an FE forum in the past.  Is that him in the car?

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That name Nunnerley rings a bell.  I am sure I have come across a Mike Nunnerley on an FE forum in the past.  Is that him in the car?

Smudge

  ;D
I’m sure Mike will be along soon to let you know Cyril   ;)

And yes, that’s him sat in the car.

Cheers Graham.


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That name Nunnerley rings a bell.  I am sure I have come across a Mike Nunnerley on an FE forum in the past.  Is that him in the car?

Smudge

Yes, Smudge, that is me some years ago, I am centraflow.

The theory of how it works is quite simple, the engineering is a bit more difficult as far as the injection is concerned.

Stan hid it in plain sight "electron extraction".

By the way, his brother Steven was working for homeland security!!! I expect he is retired now.

Regards

Mike


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I’m sure Mike will be along soon to let you know Cyril   ;)

And yes, that’s him sat in the car.

Cheers Graham.

Graham, you spoilt my entrance ;)

Mike


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I Got Lucky

Feady me a hint of his Secret


It was just a thread of a hint, a piece of the puzzle.

It then it took me 18 months to figure it out, 18 months

Last August was when I figured it out
And 2 months ago I came here to this forum to share my discovery

Now 6 months later

- We went from the Covid Crisis
- to now having a war going on in Ukraine, on the other side of the planet,
- to record gas prices
- to the possibility of World War 3,

all in 6 months



Remember covid?

It had the headlines for two years, and almost crippled the worlds economies, brought it down to its knees

It stopped the world, where you couldn't work for a living unless you followed draconian measure's outside of the Constitution,
- wear a mask,
- get a vax jab or
- you can't work or
- you can't go to church or music halls.

We now have the WWIII scenarios popping up

End of the world as we know it.

interesting times


   

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I will not be posting more here for obvious reasons so don't ask questions.

How can you break the water bond with little energy, that is the question to be answered.

Read here  https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/sun-space-weather/plasma

When you extract electrons from an atom it becomes unstable, H2O has 10 electrons, hydrogen 1 X 2 and oxygen 8=10, remove an electron and the bond changes.

Enough said.

Regards

Mike


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