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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #100 on: 2022-01-31, 07:08:12 »
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #101 on: 2022-01-31, 13:37:20 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-30, 16:30:02

At the moment no need to, doing "dual use" of what I have on hand.

R&D gets you to make due with what you've got.


Hi vrand,

I’m with you on that approach.

I was asking because there is usually a high frequency component in the welder’s output current that makes striking the arc easier. That’s what I remember from my welding class anyways, but it’s been more than a few decades since then so I may be wrong.

Fast Freddy mentions he's using a frequency of 42.5 kHz.
If you can and whenever you get the chance, would you put a scope across the leads to see what frequency your TIG generates while running your cells?

Regards
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #102 on: 2022-02-01, 06:02:25 »
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Quote from: Cadman on 2022-01-31, 13:37:20
Hi vrand,

I’m with you on that approach.

I was asking because there is usually a high frequency component in the welder’s output current that makes striking the arc easier. That’s what I remember from my welding class anyways, but it’s been more than a few decades since then so I may be wrong.

Fast Freddy mentions he's using a frequency of 42.5 kHz.
If you can and whenever you get the chance, would you put a scope across the leads to see what frequency your TIG generates while running your cells?

Regards
Cadman

Hi,

Cadman, the HITBOX TIG200P my oscilloscope reads frequency around 76.72 Khz. see photos of screen shots at 100A, 75A, 50A, 25A, 10A, and No load 
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #103 on: 2022-02-01, 06:14:22 »
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Oscilloscope readings at No-Load

Power Supply:
HITBOX TIG200P

No-Load data

photo 2 - to double the 38.2kHz freq. to 76.4kHz
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #104 on: 2022-02-01, 06:16:40 »
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Oscilloscope readings at 10A

Curser not lined up at 76Khz
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #105 on: 2022-02-01, 06:19:29 »
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Oscilloscope readings at 25A
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #106 on: 2022-02-01, 06:20:27 »
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Oscilloscope readings at 50A
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #107 on: 2022-02-01, 06:22:03 »
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Oscilloscope readings at 75A
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #108 on: 2022-02-01, 06:57:14 »
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The CWS' HCS Series of Very High Current Choke / Very High Power Inductor handles up to 450 Amperes

Freddy was using these huge Power inductors in his V96M 8 foot HHO units and the 6 foot tall 20kWp unit.

It might influence the cell input and output.

At the moment no funds available to get one of these at over $1k each.


High current inductor HCS-600M-320
https://www.coilws.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=208_212_366
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #109 on: 2022-02-01, 07:00:46 »
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Power inductors in V96M 8 foot HHO unit
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #110 on: 2022-02-01, 07:04:33 »
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Power inductor in 6 foot HHO 20KWp unit
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #111 on: 2022-02-01, 08:11:12 »
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #112 on: 2022-02-01, 08:17:09 »
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #113 on: 2022-02-01, 08:18:18 »
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #114 on: 2022-02-01, 08:19:15 »
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #115 on: 2022-02-02, 04:24:18 »
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PWM - "Chopper Unit"

Freddy was using the output from the forklift battery chargers to feed his "chopper unit"

That breaks the steady DC amperage output into pulses, with the width adjustable from 1 to 100% time period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscilloscope


Motor controllers are off-the-shelf PWM units that work great for making HHO gas, as it works with high amperages into the 100-400A range.

Curtis Instruments, Inc.. motor controllers, Alltrax AXE, XCT, SR, and SPM (usb to computer interface) to name a few in the marketplace


That is the next step on my "to do" list, to connect the welder DC 200A output to the 250A PWM motor control unit, to pulse width the DC amps into the fuel cell.

The previous Oscilloscope photos were of only the DC Welder ripple output.  Will also add some DC capacitors to smooth out that 2-4VDC ripple. see Freddy's DC capacitors in his chopper unit attached photo.
 
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #116 on: 2022-02-02, 04:28:18 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-02-01, 06:57:14
The CWS' HCS Series of Very High Current Choke / Very High Power Inductor handles up to 450 Amperes

Freddy was using these huge Power inductors in his V96M 8 foot HHO units and the 6 foot tall 20kWp unit.

It might influence the cell input and output.

At the moment no funds available to get one of these at over $1k each.


High current inductor HCS-600M-320
https://www.coilws.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=208_212_366


""one of these at over 1K each" - the inductor, or the entire unit?
Is a small working unit, for testing, available for purchase or rent?
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #117 on: 2022-02-02, 04:44:21 »
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""one of these at over 1K each" - the inductor, or the entire unit?
Is a small working unit, for testing, available for purchase or rent?


Hi,

Yea, $1.7k for just that inductor unit made by CWS. in Orange, California 

CWS. 353 West Grove Ave. Orange, California 92865;
Call us Toll Free: 1-800-679-3184 or 1 (800) 377-3244


Freddy had Clients that were willing to pay him to build these units over the years. 

Freddy had some smart clients that saw the future of HHO gas, water fueled generator sets, and cars and trucks.

So Freddy built tubular HHO devices and made videos of them running 100% on his HHO gas output, from his small to large units, over the past 10 years.


So here I am just 6 months into my build.  And no clients to help out.  Not yet anyway.  So I just plod along and post my build over here.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #118 on: 2022-02-03, 07:22:14 »
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PWM control of a DC Power Supply

The purpose is to Chop the DC current into small pulses = Lower input energy = lower heat

Tested DC Power Supplies:
- Mean Well DC Power Supply, works, max out at 75A at 17V DC
  - MEAN WELL RSP-2000-24 24V 52A DC Output Power Supply
- Hitbox 200A Arc Welder, works, max out at 175A at 19V DC

Tested PWM Units:
- Alltrax, usb to PC, Toolkit controllable, 0-1k ohm potentiometer (manual PWM control)
  - The Alltrax 2444, that I have does not connect to PC, but works when powered by MEAN WELL RSP-2000-24 24V 52A DC Output Power Supply.
  - Did not work with welder, unknown why not.
  - The Alltrax XCT XCT48300 DCS 24-48V 300A, got used, does not connect to computer via usb. Have not powered on yet.

- Motor Controillers 60A DC Motor Adjust Speed Controller 0-1k ohm potentiometer
  - 10-50V DC Motor Speed Control PWM HHO RC Controller 12V 24V 48V 3000W 60A MAX, fried, no temp. or current overprotection.


R&D continues...



« Last Edit: 2022-02-03, 08:26:12 by vrand »
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #119 on: 2022-02-03, 17:56:18 »
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Vrand:  "Freddy had Clients that were willing to pay him to build these units over the years. 

Freddy had some smart clients..."

   Are there ANY existing units showing COP>1, in existence today?  Even one?
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #120 on: 2022-02-03, 19:39:17 »
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Vrand:  "Freddy had Clients that were willing to pay him to build these units over the years. 

Freddy had some smart clients..."

   Are there ANY existing units showing COP>1, in existence today?  Even one?


Hi,

No, not in public anyway.

His clients have the gensets showing a COP of 50 (see earlier post), as they paid him for them.  What they did with them is unknown.

Freddy did publish some videos of the 50kWp genset unit being fueled 100% by his HHO gas, from the 8 foot tall V96M fuel cell, here is one posted on his website on Youtube here powering his shop on the genset:

0:00 / 10:00
Last 50 KW video, tuned and polished, ready for prime time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBe-Kip9_s
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #121 on: 2022-02-05, 18:20:09 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-02-03, 07:22:14
PWM control of a DC Power Supply

The purpose is to Chop the DC current into small pulses = Lower input energy = lower heat



"The icing on the cake"

With today's advanced "inverter" arc welding technology, an off-the-shelf power supply for creating HHO gas to power cars and engines are readly, and inexpensively, available. 
With modern welder units outputs in the 100's of amps, they are perfect for this tubular, Brown's Gas, HHO units.

Still to do testing with motor controller PWM units, they are in the mail, but needing a PWM is just "icing on the cake" at this point. When you have a COP of 50 right now, to get a COP of 100 is not required.
Sure saving 50% of input power by using a PWM is nice for regular motors, it is not required for HHO. 

THere may be some benifits with Pulses in general, ala Andrija "Henry" Puharich who likened pulsing water to pulsing blood plasma, in his US Patent:

US Patent # 4,394,230

Method & Apparatus for Splitting Water Molecules

Henry K. Puharich

(July 19, 1983)

http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm


So, for those who want something  that works now and is available, a regular inverter arc welder should work just fine.  As more people get involved in building these units, there will be a need to mass produce PWM inverters in a single unit. 

300A 10-50V 12V 24V DC motor speed controller PWM high power RS232 arduino

https://www.ebay.com/itm/172396094972
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #122 on: 2022-02-05, 18:40:22 »
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Andrija PUHARICH

Water Decomposition by AC Electrolysis

Dr Andrija Puharich reportedly drove his motor home for hundreds of thousands of miles around North America in the 1970s using only water as fuel. At a mountain pass in Mexico, he collected snow for water. Here is the only article he wrote on the subject, plus his patent:

Cutting The Gordian Knot of the Great Energy Bind
by Andrija Puharich

(1) Introduction 

http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm

A rare video of Henry Puharich talking to a group of energy researhers ala Tesla way back in the 1970's before Tesla was a common name like to day.

over at the MFMP

https://steemit.com/@mfmp

Dr. Andrija Puharich, rare Interview discussing Nikola Tesla, partial transcription

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIJyntc4PmY

Dr. Andrija Puharich in a rare interview. He provides us with some details most people do not know, regarding Tesla and his work.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #123 on: 2022-02-05, 18:58:53 »
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Inverter Arc Welders

Some info on Inverter Arc Welders.


Are inverter welders efficient?
Efficiency and Power Saving

https://waterwelders.com/inverter-vs-transformer-welder/

Not only are inverter welding machines energy-efficient, but also back stress-free and no-cost connection. ... An inverter welding machine has a power output of up to 93% as compared to conventional welding machines. The production level of conventional welders is 60%.Jan 7, 2022

Inverter vs. Transformer Welder: Which is Better for Your Needs?

Last Updated on Jan 07 2022
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #124 on: 2022-02-05, 19:56:55 »
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Coherent Energy

What is coherent energy?

In physics, two wave sources are coherent if their frequency and waveform are identical. Coherence is an ideal property of waves that enables stationary (i.e. temporally and spatially constant) interference. ... Two waves are said to be coherent if they have a constant relative phase.


Tapping the Zero Point Energy

Moray B. King

Adventures Unlimited Press, 2002 - Science - 184 pages

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Free energy and anti-gravity are possible today. The theory of zero point energy shows that there are great fluctuations of electrical field energy embedded within the fabric of space. Some examples: Inventor T Henry Moray produced a fifty-kilowatt free energy machine in 1930; The Pons/Fleischmann cold fusion experiment produced tremendous heat without fusion. The chapters in this remarkable book include: Artificial Gravity; Stepping Down High Frequency Energy; Noise as a Source of Energy; Macroscopic Vacuum Polarisation; Cohering the Zero-Point Energy; The Holistic Paradigm; Electrolytic Fusion - A Zero-Point Energy Coherence?; and, Scalar Currents and Scalar Waves.
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