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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #25 on: 2022-01-21, 18:35:00 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-21, 18:33:34
Cell #2 Build v9

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- 6 Tubular HHO Unit; arranged from 2" diam. to 0.75" and center 1/2" rod solid rod
- Electrical Connection to Battery Power source

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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #26 on: 2022-01-21, 18:39:32 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-21, 18:35:00
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   Tubular HHO Brown's Neutral Tube/Plates Unit
1   SS Tube 2.0 OD .065 W x 24.00 L
2   SS Tube 1.5 OD .065 W x 22.625 L
3   SS Tube 1.25 OD .065 W x 22.125 L
4   SS Tube 1.0 OD .065 W x 21.625 L
5   SS Tube .75 OD .065 W x 21.180 L
6   SS Rod, .50 Dia x 20.6 L
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #27 on: 2022-01-21, 19:05:36 »
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Cell 3 build v1

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- Positive End Cap w/ 1/4-20 x 3.5" long thread rod
- Positive end cap electrical connection 1/4" all thread to trimmed Nut to allow water flow through cell
- Battery clamp to 316L stainless 1/2"  nipple, to power the Unit
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #28 on: 2022-01-21, 19:18:44 »
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #29 on: 2022-01-21, 19:26:34 »
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Building End Caps

- 3d form to be filled with a mixture of epoxy and anchor cement
- place inside form a small 0.50" stainless tube section for the nipple and hose bib to sit on.

3d Drawing File over at "thingiverse"

Neg End Cap cast + Coat v6b

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5210984


Pos End Cap cast + coat v6a

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5211005

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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #30 on: 2022-01-21, 19:30:35 »
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Filling end Caps with Epoxy + cement and some 6mm .24" Chopped Carbon Fiber
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #31 on: 2022-01-22, 04:05:51 »
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Filling Positive end Cap with Epoxy + cement and some 6mm .24" Chopped Carbon Fiber
with 0.5" x 1" long tube insert to be epoxy coated at end,
for forming a water path into cell from 1/2 NPT nipple.
electrical connection to Pos. battery terminal input power.
see above photo of battery clamp
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #32 on: 2022-01-22, 20:55:38 »
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Currently building Unit #3 to do a test with 3 units in-series, 5+5+5 cells for a total of 15 cells.
I have access to a 200A welder, Hitbox Tig200p, as a power source,
The purpose of this test is to see if the units can go below Faraday in voltage of 1.24V DC.

Of course Mr. Fred Wells and group have been doing this for the past 12 years.  That was the problem, because nobody took notice of his Tubular HHO Brown's Gas Cells Design and nobody has replicated this unique design until now.  So my effort is just the start, more than a decade behind Mr. Fredrick Wells. His units powers cars, gensets, turbines, all on Youtube video. 

My current contribution in this field is to share my interpretation and understanding to this HHO Browns Gas, neutral tube cells, HHO unit into the marketplace for others to replicate and spread the word.   Businesses with larger manpower and funding could probably crank out a tubular series cell design in a month.  This HHO gas is an exciting new energy source!   
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #33 on: 2022-01-22, 23:39:15 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-22, 20:55:38

His units power cars, gensets, turbines...


This is impressive but surely someone could put one of these units on a bench and tell us how many liters of HHO are being generated at STP and the associated amperage and voltage. Such data would be really useful.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #34 on: 2022-01-23, 01:25:57 »
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Quote from: Paul-R on 2022-01-22, 23:39:15
This is impressive but surely someone could put one of these units on a bench and tell us how many liters of HHO are being generated at STP and the associated amperage and voltage. Such data would be really useful.

Hi,

On an old video titled "B621 M's Revisited further testing,"  at 40 sec mark on the 2:41 min video
the gas flow meter was reading see pic attached

I could not find this video readily on youtube at the moment.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #35 on: 2022-01-23, 02:19:35 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-23, 01:25:57
Hi,

On an old video titled "B621 M's Revisited further testing,"  at 40 sec mark on the 2:41 min video
the gas flow meter was reading see pic attached

I could not find this video readily on youtube at the moment.

120 LPM tested with a 1 liter bottle video from 2013:

at 4:50 / 6:43
H2Gonow Demo Vehicle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5LfaK8hmq8

found the Youtube "HHO Archived Videos" that has archived some of Wells old videos.

HHO Archived Videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4Yzo7z2c-cTq0z_JMQ5fdg/videos


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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #36 on: 2022-01-23, 05:16:57 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-23, 02:19:35

120 LPM tested with a 1 liter bottle video from 2013:

at 4:50 / 6:43
H2Gonow Demo Vehicle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5LfaK8hmq8

found the Youtube "HHO Archived Videos" that has archived some of Wells old videos.

HHO Archived Videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4Yzo7z2c-cTq0z_JMQ5fdg/videos

HHO Brown's Gas is more than just HHO gas and LPM:


It's Not HHO: Cold Fusion & The Papp Engine
31,190 views
Oct 7, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIWltOShO0

American Antigravity

http://www.americanantigravity.com - Mark Hugo demonstrates how HHO may be a nuclear process involving cold fusion, and may also be the force responsible for the Papp Engine.

After modifying a Buick Park Avenue sedan to run on an HHO (Brown's Gas) and gasoline mixture, he found a 30% increase in fuel-efficiency from the HHO addition. This led to some difficult questions, however, because the amount of Brown's Gas being added to his fuel mixture was miniscule, so he began searching for another explanation.

Hugo found the work of Dr. Richard A. Oriani and James C. Fisher, who claim to have validated cold fusion alpha-reactions inside of traditional HHO cells - which are built very similar to HHO electrolyzers. Hugo found their research compelling enough to begin researching Oriani's tests on cold fusion involving CR-39 detectors, which seem to indicate energy emission during cold fusion events that exceeds even that in traditional "hot fusion" experiments (on rare, per-event basis).

Realizing that HHO and Brown's Gas may in fact contain cold fusion reactions that account for the increased energy seen in his vehicle, he reasoned that modifications to Oriani's design might result in a "closed-loop" cold fusion engine. As he states in this footage, his next realization is that Joseph Papp might have built just such an engine in 1968.

According to Mark Hugo, the Papp Engine patent almost perfectly describes an electrolytic HHO or cold fusion system for producing the compound Hugo believes produces the cold fusion energy.

He indicates that the Papp Engine's DC supplemental power supply was used to prime the engine as an electrolytic generator before actual operation of the engine through the AC electrical system. He also describes Papp's "capacitor plate" system as a form of Jacob's Ladder, or "gliding arc" to carry the plasma combustion current into the combustion chamber.

While Mark Hugo's description of the Papp Engine as an electrolytic cold fusion reactor may not be complete, he definitely provides a wealth of scientific and technical knowledge on HHO and Brown's Gas, cold fusion, and the Papp Engine in this technical interview.

Finally, Hugo provides detailed instructions to inventors seeking to experimentally test this theory based on his research into cold fusion, the Papp Engine, and Dr. Richard A. Oriani's research.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #37 on: 2022-01-23, 19:41:53 »
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Certainly a lot of info to digest !

Thank you
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #38 on: 2022-01-24, 01:28:00 »
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Quote from: Chet K on 2022-01-23, 19:41:53
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Certainly a lot of info to digest !

Thank you
Chet

Chet
Yea accumulated over the past 3 decades. Read about the following pioneers in Free Energy devices:

The recent HHO era of
- Freddy Wells,
- Bob Boyce,
- George Wiseman,
- Henry K. Puharich
- Henry "Dad" Garrett
pasts ones, Yull Brown, John Rhodes, Victor Schuberger,
- Walter Williams Bumgartner, see photo below, thank you Williams for turning me on to Big Horn Mt Wyoming, Pascalite clay powder :)
https://www.facebook.com/sciencephilosophy/posts/the-vortex-mechanics-of-walter-russellhttpsyoutubebkqpzafbcqu/10156030592257581/
Stan Myers etc..

Free Energy field of
- Don Smith,
- John Hutcheson, Eric Dollard, Moray King,

Cold Fusion
- Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann in 1989

Ball Lightning, Plasma, EVO's
- Bob Greenyer from Remote View,  Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project.  Keep up the good work Bob!
https://www.youtube.com/c/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/videos
- Ken Shoulders,

as well as the previous era of
- Nikola Tesla,
- Wilbert Smith of "The Boys Topside" fame - Caduceus Coil
- Billy Meirs, Swiss ML,
- Ruth Drowns,
- Orgone energy Wilhelm Reich,
- Nazca Lines,  etc.

The Brown's Gas HHO research is the most exicting to me at the moment with the Tubular HHO Neutral Plates being circular vs flat!

Once it dawns on you its like wow, how cool is that. So simple yet so powerful that anyboby can make one and run theirs cars and homes off just water!

Most exciting times ahead for Free Energy 8>) Horace Heffner fame

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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #39 on: 2022-01-25, 03:40:47 »
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Test Data:
Specifications of this 24" Tubular Cell Design:

- 24" long
- 5 Cell, 1/16" spacing
- 6 Tube (5 tubes and a center 0.50 inch solid rod center, SS 304)

 Unit has a total plate area and amperage inputs as follows:
 
                                      Neg.           Pos.
                                     Totals         Totals
Unit Area Sq In            402.43       346.35
Amps                              100.          100
Amps per sq.in.              0.25          0.29

So as long as you keep it under 100A, or 0.25A per sq. inch. you will generate less heat.

But, it is also possible to to feed it even more amps and to also generate Lots more heat, to be used to heat water, for for space heating in homes or cities.

The proverbial "killing 2 birds with one stone" so to speak in developing this HHO technology.

Creating both Electricity and Heating in any electric generator set.

Now Mr. Wells, in his units had both the simple water exchanger (see Amazon link)  to the more elaborate Hitachi large industrial "Heat Exchanger" found on the 50 KWp generator build from 2017-2018.  see photos

350,000 BTU/hr: 30-Plate Heat Exchanger,
https://www.amazon.com/350-000-BTU-30-Plate-Exchanger/dp/B00496OK2A/ref=pd_lpo_5?pd_rd_i=B00496OK2A&psc=1
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #40 on: 2022-01-25, 04:33:21 »
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Section Drawing thru 24" HHO Tubular Cell Unit
Water Flow Diagram

Showing the way the water flows aound the tubes thru the cell - In-Out Diagram with Updated with 3D Forms for End Caps (see above post on file location) and Epoxied Cemented End Caps to the stainless tubes

The Water Out is thru the 1/4" holes at one end of the the 1.5" tube, (see photos above)  then out thru the Neg. End cap going to the gas separation unit.
 
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #41 on: 2022-01-25, 05:04:22 »
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50KWp Genset Observations:

That 50KWp genset with the 8 foot tall Tubular HHO Unit that Mr Wells made and demonstrated running on just his HHO gas (see his videos) looks like it cost around $50 to 100k to build and a year or two make

So $1 to 2/kWp to build, very reasonable  compared to other technologies out in the marketplace, such as coal and oil fired power plants.
Now that "the Cat is out of the bag" so to speak, everyone can build their own unit for their homes and cars.
 
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #42 on: 2022-01-25, 06:00:11 »
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Quote from: vrand on 2022-01-25, 03:40:47

Now Mr. Wells, in his units had both the simple water exchanger (see Amazon link)  to the more elaborate Hitachi large industrial "Heat Exchanger" found on the 50 KWp generator build from 2017-2018.  see photos

350,000 BTU/hr: 30-Plate Heat Exchanger,
https://www.amazon.com/350-000-BTU-30-Plate-Exchanger/dp/B00496OK2A/ref=pd_lpo_5?pd_rd_i=B00496OK2A&psc=1

20KWp Genset Heat Exchanger

Third-party demo of 20kWp 4-cylinder, generator set, with engine timing controlled by Halteck Engine Management software to advance the ignition timing to after TDC. 
See this video:

Third-party demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uY1EOMRsQ

Unknown if he also used a Bosch water injection system in this 20kWp unit as he did in the 50kWp 6-cylinder Ford straight 6 industrial engine to ignite the water mist with the HHO gas.
See this video:

Last 50 KW video, tuned and polished, ready for prime time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBe-Kip9_s


 
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #43 on: 2022-01-25, 07:17:44 »
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HHO Browns Gas Neutral Tube Plates Drawing
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #44 on: 2022-01-25, 07:51:23 »
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Power Supply for the +200A DC input

This HHO Tubular unit can be easly scaled to as large as you like from 2 feet to 8 feet long or longer.

On his 1.5MWp Belize Caterpillar Unit, Freddy had two 8 foot long tubular units powering that V16 engine.

And he used a +200A Forklift Battery Charger to power those big Units to over 200A input. see attached photo the blue looking battery charger in front of the unit in pic #2.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #45 on: 2022-01-25, 08:20:10 »
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Attached is the Hobart Accu Charger Spec's for up to 320A DC output
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #46 on: 2022-01-25, 08:47:27 »
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Alltrax 400A Switching Power Supply

The Forklift battery charger, Mean Well  or 24V DC battery power supply then feeds a "chopper" that controls the power input to the Cells, by Duty Cycle and PWM 0-100%.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #47 on: 2022-01-25, 13:36:29 »
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There's some pretty impressive information in this thread.  I was wondering, as an aside, if any of those electrode surfaces are coated with tin oxide?  For the anti corrosion semiconductor band gap effect.
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #48 on: 2022-01-25, 15:42:39 »
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Can you explain What this pascalite clay powder is / does  ?

Searching your link above ( in your post #38) … it goes to many other connections?

Thanks
Chet
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Much info to ponder , the thoughts on Papp are similar to some info
Shared by Tinman experiments ( hv water explosion experiments he did ) and another member from overunity.com

He wrote about hot electricity( high current ) and cold electricity  ( low current high voltage ) in a sealed chamber/engine .

Will reach out again to second person mentioned in above sentence…for more clarity /help from him and ask to share here !

PPS
Here Peter ( our forum host) has a donate/contribute button for outside watchers to assist the builders ..to do experiments they themselves are unable to do ( I had also asked Stefan at overunity if he could install this ,
He said he was going to try ( few weeks ago)
It is “buy a cigar or cup of coffee “ …a small “coffee image”/button placed next to builders name .
   
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Re: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build « Reply #49 on: 2022-01-25, 16:40:04 »
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Vrand
Can you explain What this pascalite clay powder is / does  ?

Searching your link above ( in your post #38) … it goes to many other connections?

Thanks
Chet
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Much info to ponder , the thoughts on Papp are similar to some info
Shared by Tinman experiments ( hv water explosion experiments he did ) and another member from overunity.com

He wrote about hot electricity( high current ) and cold electricity  ( low current high voltage ) in a sealed chamber/engine .

Will reach out again to second person mentioned in above sentence…for more clarity /help from him and ask to share here !

PPS
Here Peter ( our forum host) has a donate/contribute button for outside watchers to assist the builders ..to do experiments they themselves are unable to do ( I had also asked Stefan at overunity if he could install this ,
He said he was going to try ( few weeks ago)
It is “buy a cigar or cup of coffee “ …a small “coffee image”/button placed next to builders name .

Thank you Chet!

Donations are most appreciated, thank you for the info.

Us "starving artists" needs to eat too :)

Great idea!  It is “buy a cigar or cup of coffee “

If you contact Stephan say hi! We go back to 2001-5 early days over there :)

If you talk to Bob Boyce, tell him says hi too!  Bob and I go back to 2005-2008. Where I helped Bob out by funding some of his HHO Research Such as his HHO 60 cell neutral plates Brown's Gas/Bob Boyce cell design.

Freddy Wells wanted $5k for all of his research info several years back.  I did not have the funds so had to pass on the offer. 

His Webpage: "Quantum Fuels"

is still up
https://wellssportstore.com/quantum-fuels

so they have not shut him down completely. 

The poor guy had all of his gensets stolen, ouch!

Man, this info has to get out so the front runners don't start getting blocked out, disappearing, deceased, etc yet again. 

I also am getting old at over 60.  Time Flies!

Please contact Fred Wells if you want something now, as he is at least 10 years ahead of me in the R&D Building Dept. He is the Man!  Its his puppy!



ps. pm me if anyone needs individual help, my fee is similar to Terence Mckenna's   :)


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