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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #725 on: 2023-10-04, 01:09:03 »
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   I am researching and analyzing results, as always. I don't own a mode of operation, as yet. But, it is not the same idea as ape just mentioned. And yes, Itsu is much more familiar with what I have mentioned, and others have as well.
  My suggestion is that this is an interruptor circuit, not an additive type of interaction. Not a this and that equal more output type of system. Not aligning the signals,  but stoping the magnetic current at just the right time and frequency, instead.
   The thing is I'm still just learning about all this different ways of doing things. Nor do I need nor want anybody to think that these are just Nick's ideas. As they are not. Nor am I here to lead the show or have to prove anything, for now. I'm working on what is wrong, by first understanding the proper principals behind the different ways of dealing with this project. And I keep in mind that this is all still very experimental, at best.
   
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #726 on: 2023-10-04, 01:11:09 »
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Quote from: partzman on 2023-09-22, 21:03:57
Itsu,

It may be assumed but you didn't mention it so I have to ask, is the slotted tube grounded?  With the tube grounded, there will be mutual capacitances present between it and the various windings which should produce various resonant peaks not seen without it.

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PM,

i retested with the alu pipe grounded and ungrounded, see here:



Yellow is grounded and white is ungrounded, and we see some lower overall amplitude when grounded, but indeed some extra resonance points in the middle.
But at the beginning frequency (25kHz range) not much has changed.

I had to use a similar but other lamp as the one used yesterday was broken, therefor some overall less amplitude (more load on the Grenade) compared to yesterday.

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #727 on: 2023-10-04, 01:11:46 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-23, 10:26:44
Perhaps its readings will make sense if you feed the windings with similar currents that the waveforms have now ...but DC.

So you mean use a DC current directly into the Grenade coil and measure with the hall sensor inside its former.
    
   
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #728 on: 2023-10-04, 01:12:14 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #622 on: 2023-09-23, 17:41:14 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-23, 17:22:04
So why can't we just take the 100kV form a Van de Graaf generator and combine it with the 10A from an alkaline AA battery to get a MW ?
Both sources of voltage and current are already DC so there is no problem with aligning their phase.

Well that would be perfect, how to connect it is probably the challenge w/o blowing up something.
   
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #729 on: 2023-10-04, 01:12:49 »
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   Itsu:
   I just remembered that Akula's first self runner used what Wesley called a drossel, or something like that. That was placed inside of the big vertical coils. Bulbs connect to the big coil and ground. That was years ago, I don't recall all the details. But,  later devices dropped that coiled aluminum sheet, altogether.

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #730 on: 2023-10-04, 01:13:25 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-23, 16:48:46
I don't think I do because Chet just told me that the forum has limited number of benches.
I could but I prefer to wait until Itsu finishes verifying Nick's M.O. - I hope he knows more about it than I do.
That is an engineering detail that can be solved by following the guiding operational principle.
It predominantly depends on the strength of the magnets. The stronger the magnets the smaller the ring can be.
This is because stronger magnets curve the paths of the fast electrons/e+ more than weak magnets, so they don't escape the ring.
An additional DC winding over the soft ferrite can aid the magnets and increase the almost static axial magnetic flux density (B) inside the ring.
I have an equation for it but I need to know the strength of the magnets to use it.  My intuition tells me 5cm < r < 10cm.
Who knows, maybe Itsu's pipe and magnets can satisfy the confinement condition already.
EDM is nice but slow and expensive.  For larger rings the saw-cut slit can be closed down to zero by squeezing the ring externally.
Intuitively: 0.1mm should be enough to stop the large eddy currents.  That's the common Kapton's tape thickness.

You DO have a bench available!! Just scroll down from the home page you’re between Vasik and Vidura….

As for EDM, I have direct access to a machine. There would be no expense other than the cost of posting. Don’t forget that by squeezing the gap you would create a taper to the gap.  ;)

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #731 on: 2023-10-04, 01:14:05 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #625 on: 2023-09-23, 18:37:44 »
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Itsu,

Thanks for doing that test!  Does not appear to have much significance in and of itself.

Regards,
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #732 on: 2023-10-04, 01:15:53 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #626 on: 2023-09-23, 19:22:09 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-23, 17:40:36
So you mean use a DC current directly into the Grenade coil and measure with the hall sensor inside its former.
Yes, where the aluminum ring/pipe would be.


This diagram has the plastic pipe inside the ring, you have it outside the ring.
   
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #733 on: 2023-10-04, 01:21:03 »
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Quote from: verpies on 2023-09-23, 00:20:29
The Al causes a small frequency upshift and amplitude loss.  I actually expected more of these changes.
But that is not bad - it just means that the Al is absorbing RF energy.

Do you have non-conductive ferrite magnets that you can stuff inside ? (the Russians used to call it ferrite kielbasa - sausage, but they did not understand its purpose and only used soft ferrite without the magnets).
The purpose of the magnets is to provide static magnetic field polarization to the Al. The windings can also provide the static magnetic field, too, when they are powered by DC through an RF choke.

What are the OD & ID diameters of this Al pipe, anyway ?
Can you measure or estimate the DC & AC magnetic flux density (B) that the aluminum is subjected to?


I stuffed 10 of these non-conductive ferrite magnets into the aluminum pipe inside the Grenade, but it made no difference in the sweeping signal.
But this is probably due to the way these magnets are stacked together (north, south, north etc.) see picture:




So will try using "the windings to provide the static magnetic field, when powered by DC through an RF choke".



In the mean time i used my hall sensor probe to probe the magnetic field inside the Grenade former (without aluminum pipe inserted) to compare it with the Grenade windings signal shown before:



Yellow the Grenade windings signal (loaded with 390 Ohm lamp) and blue the hall sensor signal.   Sweep from 1kHz to 10MHz.

The strongest signal on the Hall sensor probe is when the hall sensor is at the Grenade hot side (the most layers side).

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #734 on: 2023-10-04, 01:22:57 »
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Here the hall sensor signal compared to the Grenade signal at a 1kHz to 2MHz sweep:


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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #735 on: 2023-10-04, 01:23:29 »
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A single non-conductive ferrite magnet is causing the hall sensor probe signal to deviate to plus or minus 1.5V when touching either the north or south pole.

When pushing 10Amp through the Grenade windings via a choke, the hall sensor signal (inside the Grenade) deviates some 10mV plus or minus depending on the direction of the current.

So there seems to be not much of a static magnetic field inside the Grenade

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-23, 21:06:13
A single non-conductive ferrite magnet is causing the hall sensor probe signal to deviate to plus or minus 1.5V when touching either the north or south pole.
When pushing 10Amp through the Grenade windings via a choke, the hall sensor signal (inside the Grenade) deviates some 10mV plus or minus depending on the direction of the current.
So 150x less flux density than at a surface of a ceramic magnet if the probe is linear.
Ceramic magnets typically have a closed circuit Br of 0.23T to 0.38T depending on their grade.  ...and half of that for an open magnetic circuit.

So that gives 0.00076T in the worse case scenario.  ...no wonder they used the ferrite sausage.
   
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #737 on: 2023-10-04, 01:24:19 »
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   As you may know by now, any increase in gain at the output, due to adding ferrite pieces into the grenade former tube will cause an added draw from the input side. So, No free lunch there. Also causing an increase in overheating of the grenade coils, as well as over heating of the push pull Fets, and overheating of the Kacher, also. Which is probably why there is nothing inside of the empty former tubes, shown by our topic inventors.
   Magnets like my magnetite snake eggs can help tune the ferrite yoke for better performance, again at an added draw from the input. But do nothing for the grenade coils.
 
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #738 on: 2023-10-04, 01:24:52 »
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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
As you may know by now, any increase in gain at the output,
Why did you use the word "gain" ?  Gain is a ratio. Ratios require two arguments. One of them is the output amplitude
Did you mean to write: "...any increase at the output..." ?

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
...due to adding ferrite pieces into the grenade former tube will cause an added draw from the input side.
By what mechanism ? Doesn't the ferrite increase the inductance of the coil?

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
So, No free lunch there.
Only when you make the assumption that all energy appearing at the output comes from the input. As is happening now.
If the input energy is used to enable some intermediary gain mechanism, then that assertion is not applicable anymore.

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Also causing an increase in overheating of the grenade coils, as well as over heating of the push pull Fets,
By what mechanism ? Alas, increased inductance causes the current to ramp up slower on pulse-by-pulse basis so the PP FETs are subjected to less current and less i2R heating.

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Which is probably why there is nothing inside of the empty former tubes, shown by our topic inventors.
You cannot see that on the videos. Especially if the core is constructed like this.

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Magnets like my magnetite snake eggs can help tune the ferrite yoke for better performance, again at an added draw from the input.
That makes sense because saturating the yoke ferrite with external magnets lowers the inductance of the windings wound on that ferrite. Less inductance means that the current ramps up faster on pulse-by-pulse basis and the average current increases.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-24, 03:59:00
But do nothing for the grenade coils.
The purpose of the magnets is to polarize the metal ring - not to help the "grenade coils".

 
   
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #739 on: 2023-10-04, 01:25:32 »
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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-23, 17:22:39
I am researching and analyzing results, as always. I don't own a mode of operation, as yet. But, it is not the same idea as ape just mentioned.
Explain what you don't like about Apecore's proposed operating principle ?
Don't be afraid to punch holes in his logic if you can find any. This is much better than dismissing it without an explanation.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-23, 17:22:39
My suggestion is that this is an interruptor circuit, not an additive type of interaction. Not a this and that equal more output type of system. Not aligning the signals,  but stopping the magnetic current at just the right time and frequency, instead.
Let's assume that interrupting the magnetic flux is possible in some new yet-undiscovered way.
How would stopping the magnetic flux be responsible for generating energy in this device ?

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-09-23, 17:22:39
Nor do I need nor want anybody to think that these are just Nick's ideas. As they are not.
And what would be wrong with that?
The device's operating principle is undocumented so you are entitled to invent your own ...and verify it experimentally.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #634 on: 2023-09-24, 11:36:55 »
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Do you agree that electrostatic induction can be used in order to generate current and that this can operate w/o interference in magnetic induction?
If you agree, it would be possible to adjust phasing of current versus voltage.
   
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Explain what you don't like about Apecore's proposed operating principle ?
Don't be afraid to punch holes in his logic if you can find any. This is much better than dismissing it without an explanation.
Let's assume that interrupting the magnetic flux is possible in some new yet-undiscovered way.
How would stopping the magnetic flux be responsible for generating energy in this device ?
And what would be wrong with that?
The device's operating principle is undocumented so you are entitled to invent your own ...and verify it experimentally.

Your approach to use magnetic field in o accelerate is electron flow needs some fundamental adjustments to the where a specific north-south alignment of magnetic field needs to follow along the magnetic wires thickness of the wires need to be reduced… please see reference in cyclotron Arie deGeus, playing the with inductance only won’t hold the water alone imo.

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Verpies,

Do you agree that electrostatic induction can be used in order to generate current and that this can operate w/o interference in magnetic induction?
If you agree, it would be possible to adjust phasing of current versus voltage.
If just a phase adjustment is needed it would be easier to use 2 caps in series at beginning of the coil where one of them would have a greater capacity value to achieve different angle  … 2 equal capacitors in series = 180 degrees shift, one plus double = 135 degrees … proved in Arie deGeus few patents Worth to mention that 0.01 capacities would be something that any system would support without any significant difference of operation Also it seems that few twists of wires could do the mimic of caps accordingly with someone from this forum but I haven’t tested yet
   
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  Itsu:
   As you may know by now, any increase in gain at the output, due to adding ferrite pieces into the grenade former tube will cause an added draw from the input side. So, No free lunch there. Also causing an increase in overheating of the grenade coils, as well as over heating of the push pull Fets, and overheating of the Kacher, also. Which is probably why there is nothing inside of the empty former tubes, shown by our topic inventors.
   Magnets like my magnetite snake eggs can help tune the ferrite yoke for better performance, again at an added draw from the input. But do nothing for the grenade coils.
 
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Nick,

i know by now as you have referred to these statements earlier.

But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-24, 12:28:55

Nick,

i know by now as you have referred to these statements earlier.

But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?

Itsu
Some of them but not all.
   
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Nick,

i know by now as you have referred to these statements earlier.

But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?

Itsu

Or a fake connection
    
   
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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-09-24, 11:36:55
Do you agree that electrostatic induction can be used in order to generate current
Yes, but that current will be minuscule unless concentrated by a capacitor and drawn periodically.

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...and that this can operate w/o interference in magnetic induction?
I don't exactly understand what you mean by "without interference".
Even current originating from an electrostatic process will induce magnetic field.

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If you agree, it would be possible to adjust phasing of current versus voltage.
I don't know. It would depend on the details of the voltage generator and the current generator.
   
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Your approach to use magnetic field in o accelerate is electron flow
I am not an author of this operating principle nor its proponent.

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...needs some fundamental adjustments
I have done some calculations to check its plausibility here because I think it is wrong to dismiss any M.O. off-hand without consideration.

Why do you think this M.O. is related to the Arie deGeus patent ?
   
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-09-24, 12:28:55
But does it all matter now Delamorto in his thread has mentioned that these circuits are only working due to some hidden phase wires?
Good question.
It comes down to whom you believe and why does he believe that these particular guys were fakers but others were not.
   
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