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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #450 on: 2023-08-21, 17:01:47 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #334 on: 2023-07-04, 17:26:09 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 16:20:24
I dont know, i need to build one and measure it to see how it behaves.

What i can see is that it could act as a transformer, supplying pulsed DC to feed the kacher which would produce this AM modulated kacher signal shown by Max here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105536#msg105536

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Verpies is right. It's a low pass filter since the yoke as an inductor is in series , the inductive reactance becomes high and blocking high frequency signals. However, as Itsu had stressed ,it also a transformer when push-pull is switching. Hence the high voltage at the other limb of the winding..

By experiment, it is not the cause of modulation. Modulation  is brought about by precise matching of grenade high frequency and the frequency of Tesla.

In view of the above, it will be good to put diode in line with kacher input voltage.


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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #451 on: 2023-08-21, 17:02:25 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #335 on: 2023-07-04, 17:48:11 »


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I remember seeing Geofusion demonstrating this sometimes ago.

https://youtu.be/qEHKGSLy938

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #452 on: 2023-08-21, 17:02:40 »
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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-04, 17:26:09
Verpies is right. It's a low pass filter since the yoke as an inductor is in series , the reactive inductance becomes high and blocking high frequency signals. However, as Itsu had stressed ,it also a transformer when push-pull is switching. Hence the high voltage at the other limb of the winding..

By experiment, it is not the cause of modulation. Modulation  is brought about by precise matching of grenade high frequency and the frequency of Tesla.

In view of the above, it will be good to put diode in line with kacher input voltage.


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Thanks Max,

when you say: "Modulation is brought about by precise matching of grenade high frequency and the frequency of Tesla", with "Grenade High Frequency" you mean its 1/4 wave resonance point, right?

You earlier said:

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I didn't bother about ¼wave res. I just worked with were my wound grenade resonated, please.
Maxolous

So you measured the Grenade 1/4 resonance point (how was this done?), then you tuned the Kacher to be resonating at that same frequency and with the mediator yoke in between the single 24V DC PS
you feed both the Push-pull circuit and the Kacher circuit causing the outside probe to pickup this AM modulated signal.

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #453 on: 2023-08-21, 17:03:52 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #337 on: 2023-07-04, 21:11:37 »


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Max,

a quick test showed me that when feeding the kacher with pulsed DC (+5V / +10V @ 20% duty cycle at 26.2kHz) from my FG, i can get a similar kacher output (pick up probe 5cm away from Antenna) as you showed here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105536#msg105536

This screenshot shows both the kacher signal in yellow (1729kHz) and the FG output signal feeding the kacher drive circuit (26.13kHz between the cursors):



So i am not really convinced that the "Modulation is brought about by precise matching of grenade high frequency and the frequency of Tesla", as it seems that feeding the kacher with a pulsed DC input voltage does the same.


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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #454 on: 2023-08-21, 17:04:51 »
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@Itsu,
This is not the same thing. In my pictogram you saw two signals, one the envelope the other the message.

The envelope is the repeating rate caused by LC resonance while the other is Tesla signal

I got the modulated signal without mediator yoke anyway
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #455 on: 2023-08-21, 17:05:14 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #339 on: 2023-07-04, 21:49:24 »


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Doesn't the above mediator coil just drive the Tesla coil while the PP  one half
is active  that would explain why Geo's one mosfet gets hot when using the mediator
coil. It lookes like the Tesla coil need to be active the full half of each one half of the pp
time in that case.

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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #456 on: 2023-08-21, 17:05:44 »
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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-07-04, 21:49:24
Doesn't the above mediator coil just drive the Tesla coil while the PP  one half
is active  that would explain why Geo's one mosfet gets hot when using the mediator
coil. It lookes like the Tesla coil need to be active the full half of each one half of the pp
time in that case.

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AG,

I don't think so. It drives both the PP and TC the same . It doesn't have half circle and it couldn't be the reason why one of  Geo's MOSFETS was hot.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #341 on: 2023-07-04, 22:59:06 »


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   That mediator coil bit was something that Geo tried out, at first. But, he never showed it to be getting any more out than in. Nor even to the output my device has shown. Nor did any one of his various versions.
   He connected his output to the 3 turn coil circuit, instead of the 28t / output grenade coil.
So, different effects were noticed. But still did not show over unity or self running. Just to be clear.

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Any one know how to convert an (.MOD) video file to a mp4 or similar video file
on Win 7 with out wasting cash ?

The other thing is your Tesla coil HV gen O volts connected to any other part of the device
there is a warning that that will kill it and you cannot have AC from it like in your wave form.

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-04, 21:27:39
@Itsu,
This is not the same thing. In my pictogram you saw two signals, one the envelope the other the message.

The envelope is the repeating rate caused by LC resonance while the other is Tesla signal

I got the modulated signal without mediator yoke anyway
Maxolous.


Max,

does my screenshot not show the same; the repeating 26.2kHz envelope (amplitude peaks) and the constant 1729kHz kacher signal?

Anyway, good to know that the mediator is not needed to get the modulated signal, i will see if i can get there too.

Could you please also answer this question in one post earlier:
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So you measured the Grenade 1/4 resonance point (how was this done?)


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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #460 on: 2023-08-21, 17:08:21 »
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #344 on: 2023-07-05, 09:57:40 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 09:30:32

Max,

does my screenshot not show the same; the repeating 26.2kHz envelope (amplitude peaks) and the constant 1729kHz kacher signal?

Anyway, good to know that the mediator is not needed to get the modulated signal, i will see if i can get there too.

Could you please also answer this question in one post earlier:

Itsu

Itsu,

The shape is okay at 26.2KHZ
Which depicts the frequency of your Tesla and rep.  rate. One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade. In my  case, I guess it is 4330KHZ.

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Itsu  Oh master and great one

its the capacitor in the 3 turn winding from the yoke to the grenade that controls the resonance
and its the coincidence of the two resonances that have to be in phase.

It should look like this.

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 09:57:40
Itsu,

The shape is okay at 26.2KHZ
Which depicts the frequency of your Tesla and rep.  rate. One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade. In my  case, I guess it is 4330KHZ.

Maxolous


Sorry Max,

I am confused again, you say:  One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade.

Is it visible in your screenshot?  If so, could you point me where to look?


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 10:29:37

Sorry Max,

I am confused again, you say:  One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade.

Is it visible in your screenshot?  If so, could you point me where to look?


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Your confused because your ignoring flamings right hand rule. Sort that out first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5iIQZLdVfU
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Re: Don Smith Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #464 on: 2023-08-21, 17:14:16 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 10:29:37

Sorry Max,

I am confused again, you say:  One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade.

Is it visible in your screenshot?  If so, could you point me where to look?


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Itsu

Rep. rate is 26.2kHZ
Filled in is the 1.310MHZ
I just indicated the high frequency.

Maxolous


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 10:29:37

Sorry Max,

I am confused again, you say:  One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade.

Is it visible in your screenshot?  If so, could you point me where to look?


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Itsu

Rep. rate is 26.2kHZ
Filled in is the 1.310MHZ
I just indicated the high frequency.

Maxolous


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 10:29:37

Sorry Max,

I am confused again, you say:  One thing is not there, the wave processes inside the grenade.

Is it visible in your screenshot?  If so, could you point me where to look?


Thanks,  Itsu

Itsu

Rep. rate is 26.2kHZ
Filled in is the 1.310MHZ
I just indicated the high frequency.

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So you measured the Grenade 1/4 resonance point (how was this done?),

Itsu

If you want to precisely measure your ¼wave resonance in a manner that it doesn't stray, you need a current transformer, signal generator, your kacher antenna , your grenade, scope or static meter(Electrostatic explosive meter) and ground.

1. Disconnect your Gizmo(shinyaga) from your antenna.
2. Put your grenade in place
3. Slip your grenade terminal through your CT  and short your grenade
4. Connect shorted grenade terminal to ground.
5.  Feed your SG to antenna terminals set to Square wave @10V
6. Connect your scope to CT terminals
7. Sweep to detect frequency that gives maximum amplitude in scope or strong indication in static meter.

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 12:58:49
Itsu

Rep. rate is 26.2kHZ
Filled in is the 1.310MHZ
I just indicated the high frequency.

Maxolous

Thanks Max,

i was expecting that you would point to those areas, which in my understanding are just artifacts created by the scope display (interference of the traces, see if they stay when expanding the time base), but i guess that's just my perception.

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 12:59:33
If you want to precisely measure your ¼wave resonance in a manner that it doesn't stray, you need a current transformer, signal generator, your kacher antenna , your grenade, scope or static meter(Electrostatic explosive meter) and ground.

1. Disconnect your Gizmo(shinyaga) from your antenna.
2. Put your grenade in place
3. Slip your grenade terminal through your CT  and short your grenade
4. Connect shorted grenade terminal to ground.
5.  Feed your SG to antenna terminals set to Square wave @10V
6. Connect your scope to CT terminals
7. Sweep to detect frequency that gives maximum amplitude in scope or strong indication in static meter.

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Great, i will try that next.

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This method shows a resonance point of my Grenade to be at 1226kHz

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 15:12:09
This method shows a resonance point of my Grenade to be at 1226kHz

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Itsu,

In as much as your inductor is opened, that's the precise frequency your grenade is listening to.
   
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Work with that. There are simple and precise ways of doing things .

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 16:50:33

Maxolous, hi there are we referring to electro magnetic waves here ? or what ?
   
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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-07-04, 14:44:10
    Max:
    Sorry for asking about your progress. I should have known better. Won't happen again.
   But, I had thought that you mentioned "progress". Must be another slight language barrier, here.

   All:
   I have been keeping quiet lately to give you all a chance to build up something, hopefully that works.
 And also to openly discuss what does not work, as well.
  As I believe that I already know what will happen when you try to match up those frequencies as you are doing.
And you are already finding that out yourselves, which takes some time.
But, unless you build a complete device, you will not know what works, or what doesn't.
  And that also takes some time, money, and a bit of work. For those interested, if any.
 
  Max: You are continuing to insult the moderator here, me. I can do without your insults. Last warning...

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