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poynt99	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #25 on: 2010-12-04, 23:57:49 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	From the "Electrical Engineering Dictionary" by CRC Press, 2000: alternating current (AC) a periodic current the average value of which over a period is zero. I agree with the above, and "pulsed-DC" current does not fit this definition. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

poynt99	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #26 on: 2010-12-05, 00:04:11 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3217 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	One other from "The Illustrated Dictionary of Electronics" 8th ed. alternating current Abbreviation, ac. A current that periodically reverses its direction of flow. In one cycle, an alternation starts at zero, rises to a maximum positive level, returns to zero, rises to a maximum negative level, and again returns to zero. The number of such cycles completed per second is termed the ac frequency. Also see CURRENT. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #27 on: 2010-12-05, 00:16:17 »
Group: Guest	Poynt: In my view those definitions are taken from an AC mains power perspective. The distribution of AC mains power is all done with transformers and certainly those definitions hold true. I am looking at it from a generic signal perspective, stuff that people might be experimenting with on their bench. From a generic signal perspective, as long as the signal has components that change with respect to time, then there are AC components in the signal. The term "AC" in this sense does not literally mean "alternating current" it just means that there are are signal components that change with respect to time. The original example was this: Quote I wonder how the circuit is completed when I light up a flourescent bulb 50 feet away utilizing only a single wire and pulsed DC in an ungrounded circuit? Capacitive AC signal coupling allows energy to flow into the fluorescent light bulb and light it up and the AC signal power comes from the AC components that are in the pulsed DC waveform. MileHigh

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #28 on: 2010-12-05, 00:24:04 »
Group: Guest	Well what you are describing sounds more like Modulated Direct Current to me. This in the same light as simple AM or Amplitude Modulation. Still Alternating Current has to cross zero,reverse,cross zero, and reverse again. Dollard's view on the generalized electric wave is one of the best i have ever read. I would not call his work unnecessarily complicated.

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #29 on: 2010-12-05, 00:50:27 »
Group: Guest	Microcontroller: Quote Well what you are describing sounds more like Modulated Direct Current to me. Exactly, "modulated" is an appropriate term in this case. I think the source of the confusion is that the term "AC" has been bastardized to be synonymous "changing with respect to time" or "modulated with respect to time" simply because it is easier and faster to say. So in that sense "AC" has two definitions. Note also that "AC" is a term used to describe a voltage signal where you are not really concerned about the current associated with that voltage, you are just describing a trait associated with the voltage. Nobody says "AV." MileHigh « Last Edit: 2010-12-05, 02:06:51 by MileHigh »

Allcanadian	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #30 on: 2010-12-05, 02:28:36 »
Hero Member Posts: 2735	@Poynt99 Quote alternating current (AC) a periodic current the average value of which over a period is zero. I would agree, it is generally understood that the term "alternate" means to change or fluctuate between one state and another. However no matter how great the rate of change or magnitude of change or fluctuations of these properties the fact remains that a Direct Current does not change state and must always proceed forward. It is also interesting to note that an inductive discharge will show a polarity reversal on an oscilloscope but the current remains in the forward direction despite the illusion of a reversal. This is why I posted what I have learned from actual experiments which have been verified with nothing as simplistic as an oscilloscope but also using hall effect and charge detector arrays to measure the fields present. This is also why I consider an oscilloscope in the same light as a multimeter which are crude near sighted instruments at best. My experiments are related to those performed by Dr.Stiffler in that I have used chokes and diodes as well as other components to ensure that the energy moves in one direction only and that is away from the source with no alternations or reversals as that would be impossible. To be honest I am not sure why my post was taken out of context and the topic of discussion changed, the fact remains that I can send a unidirectional DC impulse down a single wire which produces a change in the fields present not unlike what Dr.Stiffler is doing. The forces have little or nothing to do with the popular conception of "current" as these are electrostatic forces and the change is solely electrical in nature and occurs at right angles to the conductor. In electrostatics this is pre-school but it still confuses the hell out of people who are completely preoccupied with the popular concept of "Current". I understand this puts me at odds with many others beliefs but I have found there are many benefits to avoiding current flow at all costs as the losses are simply unacceptable. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Farrah Day	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #31 on: 2010-12-05, 09:50:24 »
Group: Guest	Quote Alternating" current does not necessarily mean the current has to change direction. In the same sense "alternating" voltage does not necessarily mean that the voltage has to go above zero and below zero. In both cases the current or voltage is changing with respect to time and that means "AC" from a circuit perspective. I think this is coming down to semantics really, and what we as individuals understand by a specific term. As far as I'm concerned AC must go from a +ve to a -ve phase and hence cross the zero. A DC voltage pulsing from say, 2v - 5v, or from 0v - 10v, is simply a fluctuating DC. When a mains DC power supply rectifies the incoming AC supply to give us the required DC, we often talk about the AC ripple as a quality of the output, but in reality it's not an AC ripple, but a DC ripple. My definition of AC is that the waveform must pass zero from +ve to -ve, or vice-versa. Anything else is just a fluctuating DC.

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #32 on: 2010-12-05, 12:19:46 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: allcanadian on 2010-12-05, 02:28:36 , the fact remains that I can send a unidirectional DC impulse down a single wire which produces a change in the fields present not unlike what Dr.Stiffler is doing. Regards AC It only looks like you are doing that, in reality you are working with two flows that cross each other somewhere in the circuit.

Grumpy	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #33 on: 2010-12-05, 14:50:54 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Microcontroller on 2010-12-05, 12:19:46 It only looks like you are doing that, in reality you are working with two flows that cross each other somewhere in the circuit. /quote] two flows of what?

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #34 on: 2010-12-05, 15:28:09 »
Group: Guest	two flows of electrical energy ?

Grumpy	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #35 on: 2010-12-05, 17:42:17 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Microcontroller on 2010-12-05, 15:28:09 two flows of electrical energy ? and electrical energy is...?

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #36 on: 2010-12-05, 17:53:51 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Grumpy on 2010-12-05, 17:42:17 and electrical energy is...? electrostatic potential difference between points but that was not the point. the point was that his unidirectional DC pulse is made up of two combined flows of electrical energy, one increasing in amplitude representing the production of energy and the other, decreasing in amplitude representing the consumption of energy. but i already said that yesterday.

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #37 on: 2010-12-05, 18:19:22 »
Group: Guest	Microcontroller: Sorry, but I'll keep you on the "hot seat." I am saying that in jest, the real point of the exercise is to understand what you are saying. Quote electrostatic potential difference between points but that was not the point. the point was that his unidirectional DC pulse is made up of two combined flows of electrical energy, one increasing in amplitude representing the production of energy and the other, decreasing in amplitude representing the consumption of energy. Electrostatic potential difference between what points? Why "electrostatic?" Energy production by whom? Energy consumption by whom? Why does increasing amplitude correspond with production and decreasing amplitude correspond with consumption? MileHigh

Grumpy	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #38 on: 2010-12-05, 19:43:47 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Microcontroller on 2010-12-05, 17:53:51 electrostatic potential difference between points but that was not the point. the point was that his unidirectional DC pulse is made up of two combined flows of electrical energy, one increasing in amplitude representing the production of energy and the other, decreasing in amplitude representing the consumption of energy. but i already said that yesterday. That is called a divergence (even when it converges) and is opposite ends if the same thing. This constitutes an electric field. Francis Nipher made some very nice photographic plates of his experiments showing the inflow/outflow. I thought you were referring to separate flows of "something" in the circuit.

muDped	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #39 on: 2010-12-05, 20:19:25 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Could it be that the terms "Direct Current" and "Alternating Current" are most applicable to the "Source" of the current? Going back to the origins. "Signals" can be very complex. They may consist of virtually any proportion of DC combined with AC as represented by the waveshape and its absolute peak to peak amplitude and polarity. Any non-sinusoidal "AC" waveform can be shown to consist of a complex mix of sinusoidal waves with varying frequency and phase relationships. Pulsed DC when viewed on the Spectrum Analyzer can be incredibly complex in its "AC" makeup. Signal Amplifiers are nearly always DC operated but are fully capable of amplifying an AC input. Pulsed RF as in Radar consists of a spectrum of waves (sidebands) which assume an "envelope" shape similar to pulsed DC when de-modulated. Fortunately for us DC can be "converted" to AC and AC can be converted to DC. Propagating waves in a single circuit can produce energy movement in two directions - forward (away from the source) and reverse (reflected back towards the source). --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #40 on: 2010-12-05, 21:42:44 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-12-05, 18:19:22 Microcontroller: Sorry, but I'll keep you on the "hot seat." I am saying that in jest, the real point of the exercise is to understand what you are saying. Electrostatic potential difference between what points? is it so hard to understand that energy flows as a result from the balancing action of the universe. Whenever you have a potential difference between two points in space the universe kicks in and pushes the energy through the created pathway (circuit) untill the charge between the two points is equal again. The empty battery is a great eample since when it's "empty" the charges are equal there is no flow and so the battery is actually full when it's empty. Why "electrostatic?" What else would you call it? Energy production by whom? The source. Energy consumption by whom? The load. Why does increasing amplitude correspond with production and decreasing amplitude correspond with consumption? It does not have to, if either one of them is higher or lower you get an increase or decreasy in amplitude. You said yesterday that Dollard's work was unnecessarily complicated, but it makes me understand the things you are asking about now... MileHigh Quote from: Grumpy on 2010-12-05, 19:43:47 I thought you were referring to separate flows of "something" in the circuit. i am.. the part that provides the potentail difference in the circuit and the part that oh well.

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #41 on: 2010-12-05, 22:27:45 »
Group: Guest	Microcontroller: Quote is it so hard to understand that energy flows as a result from the balancing action of the universe. Whenever you have a potential difference between two points in space the universe kicks in and pushes the energy through the created pathway (circuit) untill the charge between the two points is equal again. I see your answers were intentionally generic and not about a specific example. I thought you were still talking about the single-wire setup that lights the fluorescent light. Hence I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. MileHigh

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #42 on: 2010-12-05, 23:20:33 »
Group: Guest	I was still talking about the single wire transmission as it too involves both flows of energy. Like you said: Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-11-12, 02:22:07 Many times small stray capacitance elements in the various circuits will allow the transmission of decent amounts of power due to the fairly high frequencies that are being employed. It still involves sub-atomic particles as any flow of electric energy does.

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #43 on: 2010-12-06, 00:00:35 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Microcontroller on 2010-12-05, 23:20:33 I was still talking about the single wire transmission as it too involves both flows of energy. It still involves sub-atomic particles as any flow of electric energy does. I am not sure what you mean by the sub-atomic particles but I assume that you don't mean electrons. For the single-wire transmission example your comments about increasing amplitude corresponding to production and decreasing amplitude corresponding with consumption doesn't really make sense. On the rising and falling slopes of the waveform power can be transferred into the fluorescent light load. The generic way to describe this example is that the power source has some sort of output waveform and associated output impedance. The power flows into a "load" which has an associated input impedance. The load in this case is a length of wire that terminates with some sort of coupling to a fluorescent light. So the power source's waveform flows through the output impedance "black box" and then into the into the load impedance "black box." The output of the system is the lit fluorescent light. You can assume that the source waveform and the output impedance associated with it are fixed, and the load impedance can be variable. So how much power flows and the waveform of that power flow is all determined by the source waveform and the two impedances. If you physically move the fluorescent light it might change in brightness because you change the load impedance when you do that. The power that lights up the fluorescent light after all of that impedance talk is still good old fashioned voltage times current. You can call the whole setup a "filter," the input to the filter is the driving waveform and the output of the filter is the lit fluorescent light. In essence, any type of Stiffler-type circuit you play with is a filter. That's why LEDs change brightness when you play with tunings in the circuit, you are changing the characteristics of the filter. MileHigh

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #44 on: 2010-12-06, 00:27:06 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: MileHigh on 2010-12-06, 00:00:35 I am not sure what you mean by the sub-atomic particles but I assume that you don't mean electrons. For the single-wire transmission example your comments about increasing amplitude corresponding to production and decreasing amplitude corresponding with consumption doesn't really make sense. MileHigh Doesn't really make sense to you. On one end you put a potential difference ,and the other end of the circuit will respond to that. As a result you can watch the circuit from two points in space namely the source, and you can watch the circuit from the fluorescent light load. That gives you two flows to work with. Sub-atomic particles are several magnitudes smaller than the electron. They make up the entire universe and allow waves to propogate through the seemingly "empty" vacuum. If it was empty waves could not propogate since they need a medium to disturb.

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #45 on: 2010-12-06, 00:39:03 »
Group: Guest	Microcontroller: Quoting myself: Quote On the rising and falling slopes of the waveform power can be transferred into the fluorescent light load. When power is being transferred into the fluorescent light bulb load on both the rising and falling slopes of the waveform "production" and "consumption" are both happening at the same time. Would you agree with that? MileHigh

Microcontroller	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #46 on: 2010-12-06, 00:53:12 »
Group: Guest	If they are happening at the same time the result is a stable DC flow. You give and take an equal amount. It starts to alternate when either one increases or decreases. so how can i answer your question? You talk about the rising and falling slopes of the waveform comparing it to a stable DC flow....which has none.

Grumpy	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #47 on: 2010-12-07, 19:00:30 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Microcontroller on 2010-12-06, 00:53:12 If they are happening at the same time the result is a stable DC flow. You give and take an equal amount. It starts to alternate when either one increases or decreases. so how can i answer your question? You talk about the rising and falling slopes of the waveform comparing it to a stable DC flow....which has none. This is an exact account of the electric fields that produce current in a circuit and has been known for over 100 years. (Sir Joseph Thomson suggested this and also that the aether itself is the vehicle of mechanical momentum. Wheatstone shoed it in his revolving mirror experiment. This all, by the way, proves that a capacitor is charged by currents from each side of the circuit and implies that a capacitive generator could be developed by applying a moving electric field between the opposite ends of the circuit.)

MileHigh	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #48 on: 2010-12-08, 11:00:09 »
Group: Guest	In this thread a while back we were discussing how you can light up a bank of LEDs that are connected to a Stiffler exciter circuit by a single wire and how that appears to be "miraculous" and "unexplainable" and "outside of conventional understanding." I stated that was not the case at all. I said that it was all based on putting a high-frequency AC signal in the wire (in our example it was a pulsed-DC waveform) and using capacitive coupling effects to light the bank of LEDs at the far end of the "single wire." A good guy on overunity.com is "Exnihiloest" and he knows his stuff. I am just raising this issue again to state that if you read him you should take what he says seriously, he speaks the truth. Here is his posting #106 on the "GBluer(Slayer) Exiter" thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8977.msg266388#new Quote What is discussed here is not new. It is related to "Avramenko's single wire transmission", known for years. Whatever conductor, like the terminal of a neon or any piece of metal, possesses its own capacity, i.e it constitutes a capacitor, the other "plate" being the surrounding (ground, earth...) Even though this capacity is very weak (<< 1pF), it loops the circuit, and the voltage can be enough to light a neon, or to charge a capacitor using a double diode configuration. Current is consumed. I have also experimented this way and measured such a current which obeys conventional Kirchoff's laws. You can check it by connecting a piece of metal to the free neon terminal. It will change the intensity of light by increasing the parasitic capacity, thus the current. This setup is typically a trap for newbies in electronics because they model it by neglecting what makes it to function! "Light, and no current because the circuit is open! I get free energy !" False! In real life, the components are not punctual and they are not isolated from one another by light years distances. Even simple small pieces of wire are coupled by capacities or by induction and significant current can pass from one to another if the voltage and/or frequency is high enough. As you can see, he discusses the same sort of capacitive coupling effects in his example. The same argument applies to touching a neon to the charging battery in a Bedini setup and seeing it light up. It's not a manifestation of "radiant energy," you are just looking at something normal, mundane, and explainable. Anyway, to repeat, Exnihiloest is a great guy. Somebody should invite him to join here if he is not aware of this site. MileHigh

muDped	Re: DrStiffler's exotic generator. « Reply #49 on: 2010-12-08, 19:11:53 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	You make an excellent point. "Exnihiloest" provides an excellent explanation. Unfortunately, very few seem to understand electromagnetic radiation and radiation currents; the differences between near field and far field conditions. You both are absolutely correct. There is no magic involved. --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

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