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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #25 on: 2010-11-10, 20:16:41 »
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Interesting document on the reentrant jet of vapor bubble and cavitation:

http://caltechbook.library.caltech.edu/1/4/chap3.htm

One of the best document of Roger Stringham on cold fusion using cavitation with interesting view on electrons pinch effect due to the reentrant jet speed of MAC 20

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRcavitationb.pdf

   
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #26 on: 2010-11-10, 20:24:59 »
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #27 on: 2010-11-11, 17:30:27 »
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I will post your reply in the thread
Please look

Quote from Kampen at OU
here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10006.msg263734#new

Put all your effort + time and spare money in this, see below:
http://www.gap-power.com/

THIS WORKS DEFINETLY

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #28 on: 2010-11-11, 18:13:35 »
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Chet:

I don't know the user Kampen.  Fausto/Plengo pointed this link out about two months ago.  It's pure nonsense.  I can't be bothered to do a serious technical rebut.  What I can say is the people making the clips can only quote Ohm's Law and appear to have no concept whatsoever about inductance, even though they are playing with coils.  If I recall correctly they never attempt to make any power in vs. power out measurements.  It's a farce where people who seemingly have almost no idea of what they are doing go through the motions of playing with magnets and coils thinking that they have discovered something.  Alternatively, it's all a con and the whole thing is staged in an attempt to sell DVDs or, if they are lucky, get someone to pay big bucks for them to build a copy of what you see in the videos.

I don't think you are technical Chet, but more of a sort of "project manager" around the different forums, so I can understand your rationale for looking into this.

Meanwhile, poor Omnibus was spinning his wheels for months and months over Steorn and never got any traction.  Steorn is on it's last dying breath and will likely cease to exist as a company with an office and a fax machine.  I predict that in 2011 they will be reduced to a website, an email address and a cell phone number.  The company will only exist on paper.  Now Omnibus is pulling up a 115-year-old article in the New York Times and asking about it?

Meanwhile all of the Ainslie threads at OU are in the process of sliding off the cliff.  She never had any data whatsoever to back up her claim and it was her sheer force of wishful thinking that made her believe that she did.  If the university students in South Africa get their act together and produce good data, the Ainslie ship will sink under and be forgotten.

What a day in Freedonia!

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #29 on: 2010-11-11, 18:18:56 »
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Thanks MH
This fellow Kampen is a Builder
I asked him to post some pics
He has posted pics of his builds in the past [very skillfully done]

He took a Parabolic dish coated it with Mylar ,focused it on a home made [never know it]
manifold that was designed to maximise the heat to warm oil or water with a homemade "tracker".
Looked like a museum piece.
No Dummy!!

Maybe a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day in Freedonia?

Thanks MH
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #30 on: 2010-11-11, 18:27:06 »
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It's turtles all the way down
While on the note of sinking ships, there have been no posts on the  Heins Bi toroid over at "the other site" since Nov 2. Will it ever meet the challenge?

Meanwhile, my soldering iron is fired up and I've got a few of my own circuits to check out.


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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #31 on: 2010-11-11, 21:27:54 »
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While some may feel Mh has already achieved OU in the "wind" department! [only kiddin MH]

These fellows can go directly "UPWIND" at 60% of wind speed!

http://www.greentechgazette.com/index.php/transportation/ventomobile-wind-powered-vehicle/
from "techstuff" at OU

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not saying its OU [the car]!:}
just food for thought!! [From Freedonia]
   
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #32 on: 2010-11-11, 23:50:32 »
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I also don't know about Thane. Ever since I pointed out some things in his videos and then asked a series of logical questions, no more news from Thane. I guess he is now reworking his theory of operation or he is trying to get a primary core to fit perfectly inside his outer cores. Anyways, I hope he did not take my questions in the wrong way. Thane remains as one of the top on my list of most promising researchers.



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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #33 on: 2010-11-12, 00:29:41 »
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For Thane, the thing that sticks out in my mind is his statement that when a wire with current flowing through it creates a magnetic field, according to him the magnetic field represents "free energy."  He also said something like "the scientists are too dumb to figure that out."

Sometimes in life there are litmus tests for people.  I like to use car analogies sometimes.  Supposing you just bought a $200K Mercedes Benz and you bring it to the dealership for its first check-up.  You speak to the mechanic and by chance you realize that he doesn't know the difference between a metric and an English ratchet set.  You would be completely mortified and in shock and not let your car be serviced and never go back there again.

Thane's comment about the wire and the magnetic field is the same as your mechanic not knowing the difference between metric and English tools.  It's that bad and seemingly few of us around here are willing to make tough statements about other experimenters sometimes.  I am not trying to be the bad guy I am just pointing out who the real bad guy is.  Not to mention his "Mr. Hyde" persona when he makes postings on OU.

So I am barely interested in Thane because he unknowingly failed a serious litmus test and his credibility is zero for me.

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #34 on: 2010-11-12, 06:55:26 »
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For Thane, the thing that sticks out in my mind is his statement that when a wire with current flowing through it creates a magnetic field, according to him the magnetic field represents "free energy."  He also said something like "the scientists are too dumb to figure that out."
When you consider what thane is trying to do then yes his statement has merit, if the primary magnetic field is not opposed by a seconadary magnetic field but energy is still stored in the secondary coil as an electric field then yes the magnetic field represents free energy. Perhaps you can explain this for me----- what happens if there is no secondary induced current thus no secondary magnetic field to oppose the primary and load it? What happens if the secondary coil acts like an open secondary on induction by the primary but does not discharge the induced open circuit voltage until after all action of the primary magnetic field has ceased?

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Sometimes in life there are litmus tests for people.  I like to use car analogies sometimes.  Supposing you just bought a $200K Mercedes Benz and you bring it to the dealership for its first check-up.  You speak to the mechanic and by chance you realize that he doesn't know the difference between a metric and an English ratchet set.  You would be completely mortified and in shock and not let your car be serviced and never go back there again.
First if I bought a $200K Mercedes Benz I would kill myself by driving it off the nearest cliff because at that point I would know I am a self-rightous bastard who cares nothing for the environment and that my life now revolves around buying more and more useless shit to impress other people. I drive a Toyota Yaris because I choose to and I also recorded 50 mpg on the first tank, now that is what I call cool.

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Thane's comment about the wire and the magnetic field is the same as your mechanic not knowing the difference between metric and English tools.  It's that bad and seemingly few of us around here are willing to make tough statements about other experimenters sometimes.  I am not trying to be the bad guy I am just pointing out who the real bad guy is.  Not to mention his "Mr. Hyde" persona when he makes postings on OU.
I thought we had agreed that you were not going to harass inventors and keep to technical critiques? As well I do not think Thane is a bad guy in any way, how could anyone think a person who has devoted years of his life in pursuit of new clean energy technologies which will improve peoples lives is bad? that's just insane. Right or wrong he is making an effort to do something tangible rather than talk about it like everyone else and I have a great deal of respect for people who continue to try dispite the odds of success. We may not have all the answers, we may be misguided and even foolish at times but our heart is in the right place and we have made an effort and that is what matters.
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #35 on: 2010-11-12, 07:39:23 »
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AC:

The bottom line as far as I am concerned is that Thane does not know what he is doing.  He is off in his own la-la land.  In that sense he is the "bad guy" because he is leading other experimenters down a garden path and wasting their time.  Time will tell if he does anything with the current round of testing and I am predicting the project will die with no tangible results.  Nobody has commented on the flux cancellation issue and it's still there.  I am not going there with respect to your setting up a bunch of conditions for the wire discussion and all that.  He is dead wrong in his statement about a wire carrying current and it is shocking that he would state that.  Your rebutting of the specifics of my analogy is a bunch of hot air that does not add to the discussion.  When you say, "I would know I am a self-rightous bastard" and "my life now revolves around buying more and more useless shit to impress other people" you're stepping close to the line again so back off.

Trying to achieve results in a sensible way is what matters to me.  If you are not showing good sense and it's akin to a mechanic not knowing the difference between English and metric tools, then personally I would discount the whole project and the person behind it.

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #36 on: 2010-11-12, 09:22:21 »
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For Thane, the thing that sticks out in my mind is his statement that when a wire with current flowing through it creates a magnetic field, according to him the magnetic field represents "free energy."  He also said something like "the scientists are too dumb to figure that out."

Sometimes in life there are litmus tests for people.  I like to use car analogies sometimes.  Supposing you just bought a $200K Mercedes Benz and you bring it to the dealership for its first check-up.  You speak to the mechanic and by chance you realize that he doesn't know the difference between a metric and an English ratchet set.  You would be completely mortified and in shock and not let your car be serviced and never go back there again.

Thane's comment about the wire and the magnetic field is the same as your mechanic not knowing the difference between metric and English tools.  It's that bad and seemingly few of us around here are willing to make tough statements about other experimenters sometimes.  I am not trying to be the bad guy I am just pointing out who the real bad guy is.  Not to mention his "Mr. Hyde" persona when he makes postings on OU.

So I am barely interested in Thane because he unknowingly failed a serious litmus test and his credibility is zero for me.

MileHigh

Here, here, MH.

I have to say that I totally concur with this line of thinking. Everything I read is instinctively subjected to my own version of the litmus test, and should obvious errors become apparent, then alarm bells ring and the whole post, paper or article immediately becomes suspect.  Like you, I find that once I'm aware of very fundamental errors, then it's very hard to take anything seriously thereafter. I for one simply can't trust the information or claims from a person or persons when they are seemingly not up to speed on the subject they are discussing or totally oblivious to their own blatant blunders. And this is in no way meant to be a reflection on the person as an individual, good and bad don't come into it, just right and wrong.

This is exactly the way I felt about Chris Eckman's Gas Analysis paper:

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/Eckman_-_Plasma_Orbital_Expansion_of_the_Electrons_in_Water.pdf

Initially looks good, but is hard to take too seriously due to the many flaws, the obvious ones of which I detailed on Mookie's Electrolyser thread.
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #37 on: 2010-11-13, 00:23:51 »
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Farrah:

Thanks for the comments.  In this domain I think that you want to always have your "litmus test radar" on and actively pinging what you read and watch.  When I see one of the "big boys" that has a high profile make one of these litmus test failures, I take extra note of it.  My whole Bedini investigation had alarm bells going off left and right.  I recall John Koorn saying something to the effect that you can't take a battery charged by a Bedini motor and use it to run the same Bedini motor.  It's in the 10-coiler thread.

I decided to take the time to dig up John Koorn's statement:

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However, one thing you cannot do with the SSG circuit is rotate the source and the charge batteries around, without first "converting" the energy from one form into the other. No one really knows why, but the SSG does not like being run with the same energy that it produces.

This is a nonsensical hocus-pocus statement, a litmus-test-failing statement.  The alarm bells sounded when I read that.  When you read between the lines I think that the problem is that so much energy is lost in a Bedini motor that the charging battery doesn't have that much energy in it at the end of the charge cycle.  This would become readily apparent if you took that charging battery, put it into the source battery's position, and tried to charge a new flat battery.

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #38 on: 2010-11-15, 13:22:15 »
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This is one of the things that should be seen by the experimenters in Farrah's thread.

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"Meanwhile a spectacular phenomenon has been developing - a miniature merry-go-round of gas bubbles between the faces of the poles and parallel to them. Incapable of being shown adequately in a time exposure, the effect nevertheless appears plainly as a white blur, when the upper magnetic pole is given a conical shape for photographic purposes. Visual observation, shows striking details. If copper particles, say, have been added to the acidulated water, they will rotate in the same plane as the hydrogen bubbles, but in the opposite direction. For both, the speed of the whirligig depends upon the strength of the magnetic field. Reverse the polarity of the magnet, and each set of particles spins in the opposite direction.

Here are no wild-eyed theories, but perfectly demonstrable facts. Any skeptical physicist has a standing invitation to see them with his own eyes at Dr. Ehrenhaft's laboratory, placed at his disposal in the New York City quarters of the famous Carl Zeiss optical firm. How to account for the phenomena remains a challenge to science, unless Dr. Ehrenhaft's conclusions are to be accepted. See how neatly they would draw an analogy between well-known electric effects and new-found magnetic effects:

From Here

http://www.electricitybook.com/magnetism/

Chet

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #39 on: 2010-11-15, 16:53:31 »
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Here's an OU claim for Farrah to look at when she gets a chance!
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Okay boys and girls. Be watching for my next YouTube video, or visit my Justin.tv channel to check out recorded videos there of some of the fun I had Sunday with my B&S test stand. Sent the following Tweet this morning...


QuoteI DID IT!!! My >2:1 eff ROI held true. With my 5.9 MMW Batt-Cell & 48% ttl pwr conv eff, POSTED NET GAIN TTL SYS EFFICIENCY!!! Plz retweet!

That's correct, folks. Documented, verifiable, repeatable, peer reviewable, honest to goodness NET GAINS!!!


More live tests tonight. Speadsheets of the collected data and edited videos to follow.

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #40 on: 2010-11-16, 16:51:19 »
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QuoteI DID IT!!! My >2:1 eff ROI held true. With my 5.9 MMW Batt-Cell & 48% ttl pwr conv eff, POSTED NET GAIN TTL SYS EFFICIENCY!!! Plz retweet!

That's correct, folks. Documented, verifiable, repeatable, peer reviewable, honest to goodness NET GAINS!!!


Not sure what to make of this as he has already stated somewhere that he thinks 100% Faraday efficiency would produce 7ml, per minute, per Watt, so what is there to get excited about here? What NET gains? Where?

I've never conversed with Mr Zero, but as far as I can tell he is just playing with standard electrolyser designs in an attempt to increase their efficiency.  It appears he uses a PWM merely as a means of input power control and nothing else.

So, I really don't see what all the fuss is about, but perhaps I'm missing something...
   
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #41 on: 2010-11-17, 13:20:34 »
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Zero has not posted anymore info on his "peer review".

@MH please have a look.

This one looks like it really might work?

Chet
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #42 on: 2010-11-17, 18:22:58 »
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Chet:

Let's give it its own thread in the magnet motors section.  I'll set it up.

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #43 on: 2010-11-18, 12:43:12 »
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When you have the time,
This Petty Fellow seems to be playing with Magnetism coils and HH0?
Claims he has the Goods?

http://www.alexpetty.com/2010/11/17/meyers-gas-core-transformer/

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From Freddy's thread at Energetic !
   
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #44 on: 2010-11-23, 13:47:43 »
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Is there anything unusual about two tuning forks or two linked pendulums being "active" for longer than if they were isolated and alone?

My impression from a few members is that there is.

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Isn't that impossible??
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #45 on: 2010-11-23, 19:35:59 »
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Is there anything unusual about two tuning forks or two linked pendulums being "active" for longer than if they were isolated and alone?

My impression from a few members is that there is.

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Isn't that impossible??
Chet

ramset,

No, it isn't impossible. In fact, it is more likely the 'system' (two or more same energy sources entrained to one another) will remain 'active' with less or more time than all individually totaled. An entrained system simply exchanges energy between parts.

When energy from one part is working 'with' another part the total time is increased with less wasted as heat and no increase in total energy.

When energy from one part is working against another part the total time is decreased with more energy wasted as heat and no increase in total energy.

So, the chances of the overall system remaining active either less time or more time are just because of worse odds.
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The above is the standard answer. Now comes one including some fairly recent discoveries currently being used in digital communication...
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For the same reasons as above there are odds to deal with that still make it more likely there will be no possible energy gain. The added factor is usually called Stochastic and/or Brownian motion. This makes it possible for a linear system to become nonlinear, at least some times.

When nonlinear and an entrained system of multiple frequencies there is a better chance that ambient noise (energy) will also be received/used by the system. This appears as a gain for the system.

So there you have my opinion on why the few real free energy devices (if there are any) always seem to be unmaintainable or quit for no understandable reason and where the energy may originate. This also explains magnetic refrigeration and the few attempts that produced a real decreasing ambient temperature gradient.

On the very rare occasion where this may be the cause, the experimenter, highly educated or not, is simply way out of his/her league for a reasonable explanation.


I wanted to answer Poynt on this but I don't see from where you are quoting him.

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #46 on: 2010-11-24, 00:51:52 »
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Thanks ,
The thread is here [a bit of a duke-aroo right now]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg265047#new

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #47 on: 2010-11-24, 01:24:42 »
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Hmmmm....

If I knew you would post my response for .99 at OU I wouldn't have answered.

Oh well, that just proves how smart I am not  :)

Nothing to worry about. I doubt anyone there will understand the comment.
   
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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #48 on: 2010-11-24, 02:01:05 »

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Re. the content of your response; you hit the head on the nail WW (ouch).   ;)

Still wondering if anyone there will respond.  :-\

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Re: Cavitation and Pistol Shrimps and the Witts Inc. « Reply #49 on: 2010-11-24, 02:03:49 »
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You hit the head on the nail WW.  :o ;)

Still wondering if anyone there will respond.  :-\

.99

Do you think they are capable  ???

Well, actually most of them are obviously capable of a response  ::)
   
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