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I am an Indian inventor. For a long time, I am continuing personal research about a theoretical machine that can extract atmospheric heat and convert that into useful power. Recently, while searching net, I have found out that the necessary machinery is already available in market. In short, the machine now can be built easily.
But, I need some assistance to do the job. I am assuring that the prototype wouldn't take big amount to be made. Kindly tell me whether you can help me to make my idea a reality or not. If yes, then kindly explain how.
   
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Hi RevI,

perhaps you could describe how you machine will operate ?
and what kind of help you need ?

Regards,
Vasik
   
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@revi:  the theoretical machine you have "invented" is called "heat pump" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump

If your "invention" has merits, contact a few manufacturers of heat pumps. It might be a good idea to patent your "invention" before disclosing it. If you do not know how to patent an invention or if you have no money at all, just give up.

You could write about your invention in detail here, but you then have lost control over it. If you just talk about your invention in riddles or in an incomprehensible general way, nobody can help you, and you might as well forget it.

Welcome to the forum of helpless and clueless individuals.

Greetings, Conrad
   

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Welcome to the forum of helpless and clueless individuals.
I hope that remark was made in jest.

Smudge
   
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I hope that remark was made in jest.

Smudge

I second that!

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But, I need some assistance to do the job. I am assuring that the prototype wouldn't take big amount to be made.
How much money do you need?
   
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Conrad
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Welcome to the forum of helpless and clueless individuals.
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Well
As moe or was it curly? Use to say!

“Hey
I resemble that remark “

However
It is an open source venue ....

Welcome to the forum Revl , and yes there always has been a path here and elsewhere for inventors willing to open source, angle donors compensating inventors !

However as of this writing the few it was discussed with ...measurement errors or conceptual errors
Which proved undoable ... as in the theory did not withstand empirical testing!
 
  Member physicsprof has supported this path and I believe even now has a topic somewhere on an offer to open source?
At times there was a great sum available, quite certain it would still be possible to raise “a great sum”
For a turn key invention
That could withstand “great scrutiny “

We have open source experimenters and friends in India who could vet a claim
However as I have been speaking with them it is a real problem atm getting around do to Covid!
Respectfully
Chet K
   
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perhaps you could describe how you machine will operate ? and what kind of help you need ?
At present, I want to go for partnership with a company/startup to make a bigger and better prototype and use this technology for commercial level power generation.
   
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@revi:  the theoretical machine you have "invented" is called "heat pump" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump

If your "invention" has merits, contact a few manufacturers of heat pumps. It might be a good idea to patent your "invention" before disclosing it. If you do not know how to patent an invention or if you have no money at all, just give up.

You could write about your invention in detail here, but you then have lost control over it. If you just talk about your invention in riddles or in an incomprehensible general way, nobody can help you, and you might as well forget it.

Welcome to the forum of helpless and clueless individuals.

Greetings, Conrad
This is not a heat pump. It's a combination of a market available blower and a new kind of turbine that has been made as wind turbine. A 1 meter diameter turbine can generate 3 kW output at 8 m/s wind velocity. While a market available 1 meter diameter and 50% efficient blower can generate 8 m/s wind velocity at the expense of just 500 W.
   
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How much money do you need?
At present, I need US$ 1000 to make a 1 kW working prototype. That's including necessary testing machinery.
   

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Revi,

If your primary reason for joining OUR is to ask for funding, that may be a possibility, but those who may be interested in helping you with funds would first need to know whether the device is workable and preferably see a prototype working.

Generally speaking though, this is an open source forum and the expectations are to share.


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Revi,

If your primary reason for joining OUR is to ask for funding, that may be a possibility, but those who may be interested in helping you with funds would first need to know whether the device is workable and preferably see a prototype working.

Generally speaking though, this is an open source forum and the expectations are to share.
No problem with that. I will give necessary information to those who are ready to sign an NDA. I hope that wouldn't be a big issue.
   
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I hope that remark was made in jest.

Smudge

If people here had a clue and were not helpless we would have an OU-device by now. Helpless and clueless also applies to me.

I off and on follow these OU-forums for more than 20 years. I think 20 years would be enough to come up with an OU-device. Millions of lines written, thousands of videos on YouTube, thousands of patents and thousands of books and articles published. Where is the OU-device?

The reason I sometimes follow these forums is the interesting psychological content. The people showing up and what they claim is deeply human and very characteristic of the human species (including me, of course). Look at the fringe and you understand people. The idiots, criminals, sick, pretenders, the ones who fool themselves and the wishful thinkers show us clearly who we really are.

I do not feel better than the people in the OU-forums. I just want to understand their motivations and my motivations (which are as mysterious as yours).

Greetings, Conrad
   
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At present, I need US$ 1000 to make a 1 kW working prototype. That's including necessary testing machinery.

I only need 900.-- . So, give them to me, it would be cheaper.

Greetings, Conrad
   

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I only need 900.-- . So, give them to me, it would be cheaper.
OK
   
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At present, I want to go for partnership with a company/startup to make a bigger and better prototype and use this technology for commercial level power generation.

Hello my friend.
I understand what you want but that is not possible.
Please look on YouTube "" Shark tank ""

You will need to find money to build a working prototype....and you can only ask funding for that prototype only.
You can not present a HHO..small Water fuel cell....and ask for 1 Million $ to make the Water fuel Cell BIG enough that it could power a JET - Plane.

You will get money / funds to mass produce the working machine, so that the investor will recover his money + profit and NOT get money to modify or try to make another bigger more efficient machine.

I wish you good luck.

@Sollaris1989

For all :  ,

I have also seen the reply of our friend Conradelektro

""Welcome to the forum of helpless and clueless individuals.""....

Sometimes words..and the way we use them can create conflict....
We must control that...we must control the situation...

Please..we must stay together guys.
Separation and conflict will bring nothing.

Love you all.

Sollaris1989


   
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You will need to find money to build a working prototype....and you can only ask funding for that prototype only.
@Sollaris1989 Ok. But how can I get the funding for the prototyping?
   
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Ok so the first fan produces a flow of air with no resistance external to the air column, right?
It uses 1 KW, and is 50 percent effecient, meaning you are loosiing 500 watts of energy at the first step.

Now you are going to set up a channel off the first fan so no air escapes and then load that channel of air at 3000 watts output energy, probably with some loss for effeciency, right?

Overall does that even sound possible? The second turbine will create a resistance to the flow of air through it, how much?
That load will then be bounced back to the first fan, will it not? How much?

And $1000 to build this to see if it works?

Have you done some calculations on the air pressures that will exist between the two devices?

Just because we know the velocity of the air with no load on the output, does not mean we know the pressure behind it.

Just some thoughts here not to discourage you.

Dave L


   
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Ok so the first fan produces a flow of air with no resistance external to the air column, right?
Correct!
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It uses 1 KW, and is 50 percent effecient, meaning you are loosiing 500 watts of energy at the first step.
Wrong. The motor of the fan consumes 500 W. The power contained by the airflow coming out of the turbine is less.
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Now you are going to set up a channel off the first fan so no air escapes and then load that channel of air at 3000 watts output energy, probably with some loss for effeciency, right?
The whole magic of the system lies in this channelling. I just want to say that this channelling will increase the velocity of the flow at the expense of internal enthalpy of the flow. In short, the flow will the turbine blades with much higher velocity/kinetic energy. And to understand that, you need to sign an NDA.
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Overall does that even sound possible? The second turbine will create a resistance to the flow of air through it, how much?
That load will then be bounced back to the first fan, will it not? How much?
No.
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And $1000 to build this to see if it works?
I have already told you that the turbine has already been built and tested. The money is needed to build a better and efficient prototype.

   
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So we need to sign an NDA to hear how it can work?
At this point then our lips are sealed as to sharing the basic concept with anyone else, in India, or anywhere in any country?

It would be really good if this works.

I have seen this before with real free energy devices, and then it is taken to a large company for manufacture and suddenly everything stops.
Everyone signed an NDA and the powers that be then bought it and silenced it. They did not do any further development to produce it.
This happened with a man who could run a gas generator on an effect we discovered with Joe Cell development in the US.
The Hull Effect
I never signed an NDA, but I did add to his developmment of it on the public groups.

Maybe in India they will allow you to do this. I hope so!
Good Luck,
DaveL
   
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I fully agree with Conrad, after so many years and so many gravestones of supposed "holders of secrets" here we are. Meanwhile solar panels have sunken in price and vertical small wind turbines are very affordable as you can see here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32932024888.html

At this point if you are not openly sharing or discussing your work you're better of not at all. Just like Conrad I find it fascinating how people always are attracted to these "secretive" claims. Human nature indeed wants something that is too good to be true. I guess this is also why men want the girl they couldn't get when the girl of their dreams is already with them.
   
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I fully agree with Conrad, after so many years and so many gravestones of supposed "holders of secrets" here we are. Meanwhile solar panels have sunken in price and vertical small wind turbines are very affordable as you can see here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32932024888.html
At this point if you are not openly sharing or discussing your work you're better of not at all. Just like Conrad I find it fascinating how people always are attracted to these "secretive" claims. Human nature indeed wants something that is too good to be true. I guess this is also why men want the girl they couldn't get when the girl of their dreams is already with them.
Actually, I am secretive because the working principle behind this invention is very simple and making machines based on the principle wouldn't be hard or costly. This is just to protect my work here, nothing else.
   
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Actually, I am secretive because the working principle behind this invention is very simple and making machines based on the principle wouldn't be hard or costly. This is just to protect my work here, nothing else.

I'm not criticizing you but just telling you how things have been going for the past 50 years on this subject. It's always the same pattern over and over. "Inventor has secret idea, said inventor needs more money to expand/improve said idea, inventor disappears". This can be due to multiple reasons, either it was a scam which is usually the main reason, either the idea had no merit at all or in very very very rare cases, the idea was actually the real deal and the only end game there is that it will never see the day of light if you think it can go through traditional start up company route. From india alone this pattern has repeated many times already, from cars running on water to over unity generators.

So do yourself and everyone else a favor and just openly share it. Everyone will give their opinion on how it can't work and then we can all move on like the helpless and clueless individuals we are  ;D.
   
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Revl,

Do you have a go fund me site set up for direct contributions of a smaller amount per person?
I would definitly chip in for the cause, for mankinds advance, but I will never do an NDA.
Lots of people may be willing to give 10 or 20 bucks for the cause.

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If it turns comercial however, does that not seem like you are cheating your contributors?

The QEG people did this. They promised to share the findings when they succeeded. I contributed thinking when they succeeded I would get something from this, a working system with description of how to make it work, as was promised. An opened source project.

A few years in they closed all sharing of results, and then started charging people to see what they were doing, still with promises that it would work.
They took development to Moracco, saying that government was agreeable to free energy devices, but never followed through with the original promise to present a working device to the public, and show the source of the power.

There seemed to be plenty of evidence that Timothy Thrapp had one of these working, that Jamie saw working, and as Jamie was an electrical engineer he thought he could eventually cipher how it worked. I did some remote sensing on the device that seemed to be working and came up with some vibration frequencies on it from the video, and I studied the reduction ratio, and also noted the bridge rectifier system with no filtering, many things appeared to look real to me from that perspective. Jamie however was working only the electrical side of this and to my knowledge is still working on it.

The QEG used the background frequency at 4x geometric area amplification.
333000 x 4 = 1,332,000 hz

This was the external energy source used to start the vibration field working.

DaveL
   
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@DaveL, from India, gofundme and many other crowdfunding site is inoperative. And I haven't promised anywhere to share the findings of my research to public and make the machine open source.
   
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