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This is very interesting.

But you are replying to someone who belives the entire space program is faked on a Hollywood sound stage with green screens.

Sorry Paul, I do tend to get a bit long winded when it comes to old analog systems, such as myself...

When skies are clear and we're under the ISS orbital path, we always go out to watch it flyover.  Got to see Elon's "string of pearls" from a Starlink launch a little over a year ago, before he modified them to reduce reflectivity at the request of Earthbound  astronomers.  It was quite the sight to see.  One of those "once in a lifetime" kinda' things.   

Great sight for finding out what there is to see on a given night:

https://heavens-above.com/

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Great sight for finding out what there is to see on a given night:

https://heavens-above.com/

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It's a great site. Many years ago, I happened to glance up and saw the ISS. Then it flashed in a rather odd fashion. I checked and found the shuttle was also up there. I think what happened was the white side of it caught the sun and flashed momentarily. Also, I think it can be seen in the daytime. I once saw what looked like a tiny black wire pretzel. I reckon that was it.
   

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It's a great site. Many years ago, I happened to glance up and saw the ISS. Then it flashed in a rather odd fashion. I checked and found the shuttle was also up there. I think what happened was the white side of it caught the sun and flashed momentarily. Also, I think it can be seen in the daytime. I once saw what looked like a tiny black wire pretzel. I reckon that was it.

 I would say you seen an Iridium Flare.

But that will stop soon,as there is not many of them satellites left.


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I would say you seen an Iridium Flare.

But that will stop soon,as there is not many of them satellites left.


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They don't travel with the ISS.
   
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They don't travel with the ISS.

We got to see the shuttle trailing the ISS years ago, that was very cool too.

A lot of satellites flare, but they do so unpredictably.  The Iridium satellites were cool because their flares could be forecast with great accuracy.

Although it's no longer possible to do so (they were decommissioned), we used to chase Iridium flares in our area.  We parked near a construction site one night, counting down with watch in hand and just moments to go.  A rather rude security guard approached to ask what we were doing.  I pointed toward the direction of the flare and said "wait for it".  Seconds later the flare happened and as we were getting back in the truck, he yelled out, "what was that", we replied "magic" as we drove off.

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We got to see the shuttle trailing the ISS years ago, that was very cool too.

A lot of satellites flare, but they do so unpredictably.  The Iridium satellites were cool because their flares could be forecast with great accuracy.

Although its no longer possible to do so (they were decommissioned), we used to chase Iridium flares in our area.  We parked near a construction site one nite, counting down with watch in hand and just moments to go.  A rather rude security guard approached to ask what we were doing.  I pointed toward the direction of the flare and said "wait for it".  Seconds later the flare happened and as we were getting back in the truck, he yelled out, "what was that", we replied "magic" as we drove off.

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I would just like to rant a moment regarding the advances in technology from back in those mostly analog days of early space flight to the technologies we have today. 

Consider the evolution of analog inertial navigation systems (INS). The INS is a way of knowing where you are, and where you are going, based only on local sensors.  All inertial navigation systems require that you know where you are before you depart a given location.  By accurately sensing every directional move and change in speed that you make over a given period of time from the moment you leave that known location, you can draw your route on a map and always know where you, the direction you are traveling, and how fast you are moving.   

The challenge of a good INS is having accurate sensors.  Back in the day, analog sensors sensed rotation and acceleration with the likes of mechanical gyros and spinning cup accelerometers.  The ever present desire to reduce the weight and size of these systems produced mechanical systems designed, machined, and assembled to sometimes mind boggling precision.  If you wanted a smaller more accurate gyro, you needed to increase mechanical precision, reduce parasitic forces, and improve the resolution of rotation sensors.  There was always a march toward some level of perfection.  There were many technologies that benefited from the engineering and development of inertial navigation systems.  Everything from better bearing technologies evolving toward air and magnetic bearings to non-contact precision resolvers leading to the likes optical sensors.  Increasing precision always meant building this complex mechanical gizmo with greater and greater precision, and constantly advancing the technologies required to do so.

Like the end of the steam locomotive, these complex mechanical and analog based systems have, for the most part, been replaced with modern technologies, but the level of precision and accuracy achieved with those mechanical systems produced nothing short of man made "works of art".

Today, what once required a rack of equipment to collect and process analog INS data is available on a vanishingly small integrated circuit.  And that too, is quite amazing, and another human made "work of art".  Unfortunately these new systems are works of art at a level most will never see, or even contemplate.  You can't open an integrated circuit and "watch it work" as one could the older mechanical systems.

And now we have added GPS to our navigational needs, which, although it too is another great achievement, is made mundane through our everyday and routine use of it. 

I guess the point of this mostly off topic post is that although the technologies we have today, as amazing as they are and residing mostly in the digital realm, do not diminish the capabilities achieved in the past within the analog realm.

Although I will be the first to admit that many of these advances were driven by defense related programs, human spaceflight and the exploration of space have also played a very significant role in the evolution of many technologies we take for granted everyday.

It hasn't been all that long ago that Boeing 747 aircraft had provisions for using a sextant as a backup for navigation.

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It hasn't been all that long ago that Boeing 747 aircraft had provisions for using a sextant as a backup for navigation.


It was the primary source for Apollo.
   
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It was the primary source for Apollo.

Inertial navigation systems always have some degree of drift or accuracy limitations.  Using a sextant to verify or recalibrate an INS at routine intervals was pretty common in days past. 

Nowadays, GPS is often used to verify or reset an INS.

Look at the navigation systems you can buy today for a low cost drone.

Although a bit scarey at times, some of the technological advances achieved over the years have been truly amazing. 

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Does anyone know if the Navy still performs routine sextant readings?

   

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Yes, the Navy still makes use of Celestial Navigation.

This is a skill all Sailors must possess.

All Sailors who Navigate that is.


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Oh,man is going to the moon  ;D

https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-1

Quote: Artemis I, formerly Exploration Mission-1, is the first in a series of increasingly complex missions that will enable human exploration to the Moon.

Wow,one would think that what was complex back in 1969,would be a breeze today  C.C

To boldly go where no man has been before  O0

Anyone got any word on that martian helicopter yet?  ;D

Here,just whack an electric motor and a couple of batteries in this thing,and you got a lunar rover  O0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rlyl8VZFM

Of course it will be a lot smoother on the moon,because everything is in slow motion on the moon  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az9nFrnCK60


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Wow, one would think that what was complex back in 1969,would be a breeze today


It is; now the emphasis is about costs and loads.
   

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With Russia's help NASA has managed to "survive."

Who has the better and more capable Space Program?


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With Russia's help NASA has managed to "survive."

Who has the better and more capable Space Program?

You haven't a clue, mudped. Russia's space program died with Korolev. And why did he die? Because your chum Stalin sent him to a prison camp for sod all, and it wrecked his health. Now, all Russia is/was is a taxi firm to the ISS and probably a bit more orbital work.
   

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Paul,

You insist upon repeatedly showing how the Mass Media Narrative has taken over your life
and how little you really comprehend about anything going on in our present chaotic
World situation. ;D

By the way, Stalin (not his real name) was neither Russian nor my "buddy." C.C

But we are seeing now as a result of the UK going full "Soviet" that your
buddy Boris is certainly an admirer of ol' Joe Stalin. :o

How does it feel now that you Brits have been reduced to a lifestyle so much
like Gaza?  Really enjoying the Pain? 8)

Fortunately there are growing numbers of Awakened Men and Women who
are bravely taking a stand for Sanity and Justice.  Perhaps they will succeed in
saving those of you who have lost your minds and wit to the Mass Media. :D

Bon Appetit! :)


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Paul,

You insist upon repeatedly showing how the Mass Media Narrative has taken over your life
and how little you really comprehend about anything going on in our present chaotic
World situation.

This is what you say every time you can't provide a real answer. You are an intellectual cardboard cut out.
   

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This is what you say every time you can't provide a real answer. You are an intellectual cardboard cut out.

Typical Mass Media Narrative Programmed Response. ???

Indicative of Complete Loss of Independent Thought Process Ability. :o

Face it Paul.  You're naught more than a Robot. ???

Constantly Parroting Mass Media Talking Points. C.C

What a shame.  At some prior point in your existence you must have had some semblance of Critical Thought. :(

The Human Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste. :-*

By the way, Russia's Space Program is fully functional.

NASA is still wondering how it can revive itself.

Even China has a Space Program superior to what NASA is capable of.


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You haven't a clue, mudped. Russia's space program died with Korolev. And why did he die? Because your chum Stalin sent him to a prison camp for sod all, and it wrecked his health. Now, all Russia is/was is a taxi firm to the ISS and probably a bit more orbital work.

Hard to have a space program if you can't actually get into space  O0


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Hard to have a space program if you can't actually get into space  O0

They've been able to get into space since the mid 60s. It was expensive and Russia offered a cheaper alternative.
   
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Typical Mass Media Narrative Programmed Response. ???

Indicative of Complete Loss of Independent Thought Process Ability. :o

Face it Paul.  You're naught more than a Robot. ???

Constantly Parroting Mass Media Talking Points. C.C

What a shame.  At some prior point in your existence you must have had some semblance of Critical Thought. :(




Gaslighting


   

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They've been able to get into space since the mid 60s. It was expensive and Russia offered a cheaper alternative.

Ah yes.
I believe it wasn't long after they had that German rocket scientist join them  O0


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Ah yes.
I believe it wasn't long after they had that German rocket scientist join them  O0

It was before, not after.
   

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Gaslighting

In your basement hideout?

Well then, now I can comprehend.

Say "hi" to joe.

Bon Appetit!


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It was before, not after.

No,sorry,you are wrong.

Von Braun and his team surrendered to the U.S. military in 1945.
Explorer 1 was the United States' first satellite in space in 1958  O0


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