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The point is that they kept a secret for three years. And then it got out.

NASA's preposterous secret, a thousand times more incendiary, was alleged by you to have been kept for HALF A CENTURY and continuing.

Well that is only your view from your side of the fence(as a believer)
But on the other side of the fence,38% of Americans alone know it was a hoax.

I am currently talking to a friend that makes heaps of short films and uses green screen and AGI technology every day.
I showed him a few of NASA's ISS hoax videos,and he is working out a way to remove the green screen portion of the video for me.
I wonder what the ISS video's will look like when we use this tech on them ?  ;D
His idea is most ingenious  O0

This should be a hoot.


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What fiasco ?
Why not be true and disclose exactly what happened.
You asked me to carry out some tests,which i did to your very instruction's.
It only became a !fiasco! because i got results that did not comply with your indoctrinated belief's.
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That is completely false and way more than just misleading.  Mark and I (and others for sure) assisted you with how to be certain your measurements were accurate, and once you made those measurements (using well filtered DC). both he and I were in agreement that barring any shenanigans or unaccounted for connections or circuit paths, your results were indeed consistent with achieving overunity.  How you go from that to some paranoid driven belief that we were trying to "trap you" is beyond me and, frankly, borderline psychotic.  I had a good deal of faith in both you and what you were doing.  Find a single post where I did not.  In fact, I believe you will find a post wherein I even had Mark having to admit the same thing, that barring any shenanigans or unaccounted for circuit paths, your results were consistent with overunity.  So how is it we were in any way being negative?

What made your RT a "fiasco" was that once you convinced us you had achieved "overunity", you suddenly "pulled a Mylow", so to speak, complete with "MIB", and went dark all of a sudden.  Sure, private threads moved over here, but there was both a "with Brad" and "without Brad" thread, and I wanted no part of having to hide any "talking behind someone's back" , so I just moved on.  My join date and posting history over here supports that statement.

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But now,because i have a different view than your's on matters i think are critical,you have lost that respect and impression ?.
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Your "different view" is not the reason I lose respect.  Many of us followed along and tried to assist you in all your experiments leading up to the end of the RT.  As I said, you were quick to learn, a critical thinker, and I thought you were an excellent experimentalist.  I was impressed, as I am sure others were as well.

Where I lose respect for you is when you do not apply those same critical thinking skills of "Brad the scientist" or "Brad the experimentalist" to your "its all fakery and lies" beliefs. 

You present what you believe to be proof of fakery and lies, but when presented with any alternatives or benign explanations, you refuse to consider or believe those explanations, move the goalposts with another what-a-boutism, or don't even acknowledge those other possibilities.  Its a belief within you, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change your mind.

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You seem to pick and choose what you wish to address,and as always with believers like you,they only ever address what they !may! be able to explain.
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Yes, I always go for the low hanging fruit.  Why?  Because that stuff is easy.  Just like you don't waste your time actually investigating or looking for alternate explanations, I am not going to waste my time contacting people and investigating conspiracy theories when alternate and benign explanations are easily surmised and probably more likely.  But then, just like the very brief explanation regarding video compression, you will just blow any alternatives and move on.  Nothing changes.  Nothing causes you take pause and think "if that evidence I presented was easily explained, perhaps I should look at my other evidence with a bit more criticality".  Instead, its either move on to something else or believe what you want to believe anyway. 

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Please watch this--but im guessing this is fake as well
Some one went to all this trouble to put this video together in there back room-Right?
Problem is,all those people are real,and this video is real. Nothing like a chroma key screen behind you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQC_eZPQFzI

Why have a chroma key screen behind you?

From 0:44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnvMJckEqYE

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I watched the videos...

I see nothing that hints at, or provides evidence of, any form of green screen usage in the first video.  As well, the data presented in the second video, with respect to the encoded grid pattern backdrop, is inconsistent with what is seen in the first video.  The grid pattern hanging behind Tim is quite regular, and its use as a green screen would be more difficult owing to the waviness as it hangs and the inconsistent lighting from edge to edge. 

As I watched the first video above, my very first impression was that a blue backdrop with a white grid was hanging behind Tim Peake as he did his science classroom video series, so that the classrooms watching were better able to see the movement of objects in his microgravity demonstrations. 

You on the other hand see the use of some sort of green screen technology being used to perpetrate a great hoax upon humanity involving a multinational conspiracy.

It's like a belief driven form of pareidolia whereby you only allow your mind to see what you want to believe you see.

I, on the other hand, actually weigh both possibilities.  So let's see, is it a simple backdrop placed for classroom experiments, or a green screen of some sort, like none I have ever seen, being used to pull off one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated by a multi-national group of conspirators?

Given those two possibilities, and using Occam's razor, I'll go with the "backdrop for classroom experiments" as the most likely explanation.  Sure, I could be wrong, so I also assign odds, because having an open mind requires allowing for the possibility that I may be wrong.  In this case I'll go with something in the 90+ percent range with that being a backdrop for classrooms, because nothing provided is "evidentiary" to the contrary within a scientific, or even legal, sense of the term.
   

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But have never seen grown men playing with invisible hats,or a need for cables to hold up astronots when there !suppose! to be in 0G.
Nor have i seen hair act like the females astronots hair in 0G-video proof  already provided for all these.
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If ya can't make it-fake it.

Yes it is. A mind as bright as yours so easily clouded with the need to believe.
NASA is like God for some,where as the need or want to believe excludes all science and common sense.


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I have indeed looked at all your videos.  I see nothing that indicates or proves any sort of deception.  Just like the backdrop hanging behind Tim Peake, or the compression/dropout artifacts, I could provide you with benign explanations for all of those videos.  But it would be a waste of time.  You will believe none of it.  Even more, you will not actually take the time to investigate any of them yourself with any kind of scientific or legal rigor.

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Where I lose respect for you is when you do not apply those same critical thinking skills of "Brad the scientist" or "Brad the experimentalist" to your "its all fakery and lies" beliefs. 

You present what you believe to be proof of fakery and lies, but when presented with any alternatives and benign explanations, you refuse to see it, move the goalposts with another what-a-boutism, or don't even acknowledge those other possibilities.  Its a belief within you, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change your mind.


Yes, I always go for the low hanging fruit.  Why?  Because that stuff is easy.  Just like you don't waste your time actually investigating or looking for alternate explanations, I am not going to waste my time contacting people and investigating conspiracy theories when alternate and benign explanations are easily surmised and probably more likely.  But then, just like the very brief explanation regarding video compression, you will just blow any alternatives and move on.  Nothing changes.  Nothing causes you take pause and think "if that evidence I presented was easily explained, perhaps I should look at my other evidence with a bit more criticality".  Instead, its either move on to something else or believe what you want to believe anyway. 



I watched the videos...

I see nothing that hints at, or provides evidence of, any form of green screen usage in the first video.  As well, the data presented in the second video, with respect to the encoded grid pattern backdrop, is inconsistent with what is seen in the first video.  The grid pattern hanging behind Tim is quite regular, and its use as a green screen would be more difficult owing to the waviness as it hangs and the inconsistent lighting from edge to edge. 

As I watched the first video above, my very first impression was that a blue backdrop with a white grid was hanging behind Tim Peake as he did his science classroom video series, so that the classrooms watching were better able to see the movement of objects in his microgravity demonstrations. 

You on the other hand see the use of some sort of green screen technology being used to perpetrate a great hoax upon humanity involving a multinational conspiracy.

It's like a belief driven form of pareidolia whereby you only allow your mind to see what you want to believe you see.

I, on the other hand, actually weigh both possibilities.  So let's see, is it a simple backdrop placed for classroom experiments, or a green screen of some sort, like none I have ever seen, being used to pull off one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated by a multi-national group of conspirators?

Given those two possibilities, and using Occam's razor, I'll go with the "backdrop for classroom experiments" as the most likely explanation.  Sure, I could be wrong, so I also assign odds, because having an open mind requires allowing for the possibility that I may be wrong.  In this case I'll go with something in the 90+ percent range with that being a backdrop for classrooms, because nothing provided is "evidentiary" to the contrary within a scientific, or even legal, sense of the term.
   



I have indeed looked at all your videos.  I see nothing that indicates or proves any sort of deception.  Just like the backdrop hanging behind Tim Peake, or the compression/dropout artifacts, I could provide you with benign explanations for all of those videos.  But it would be a waste of time.  You will believe none of it.  Even more, you will not actually take the time to investigate any of them yourself with any kind of scientific or legal rigor.


So that is it.
How much more proof do you need?
What on earth did the astronot grab and put on the shelf--there was nothing there,and the other guy still had hold of the hat. This is the blindness i was talking about-you refuse to see,even though it is clearly shown in the video. And what of the very clear cable grabbing by one astronot to steady the other astronot after performing a somersault ?--nothing there either. And then the third video showing an astronot flying from left to right in the background where it is clearly seen that he is wearing a harness and leg straps--what about that.

And what about the womens hair on the ISS.
I carried out the scientific method you so much want,by comparing the womens ISS hair with that of women on the vomit comet with the very same type of hair.

I posted 3 video's showing how both long and curly hair actually looks and moves in 0G while on the vomit comet,and then 3 video's showing how both long and curly hair looks and moves in NASA's ISS video's.
The two are vastly different,and NASA's ISS hair video's in no way resemble how hair actually looks and moves in a 0G environment. You know as well as i do that hair just does not stand straight up and remain in a fixed position to that of the head when the women move there heads. They clearly have a shit load of hair gel in there hair,as it's stiffer than a 3 day old corps.

That is the scientific method used for that point alone,but no mention from you on it at all.

I also used the scientific method when it came to being able to see stars from both space and the surface of the moon,and explained why the apollo 11 crew lied when they said they couldn't see any stars at all.
I also posted 2 video's of some NASA astronots saying you cant see stars from space or from the moon,and some saying you can-even in the middle of the day,with the sun shining bright.
Are you going to refute that some how?
If there are those in NASA that clearly lie about one thing,then they are clearly capable of lying about many things.

As i said,you only explain what can be explained,and leave the rest untouched.

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That is completely false and way more than just misleading.  Mark and I (and others for sure) assisted you with how to be certain your measurements were accurate, and once you made those measurements (using well filtered DC). both he and I were in agreement that barring any shenanigans or unaccounted for connections or circuit paths, your results were indeed consistent with achieving overunity.  How you go from that to some paranoid driven belief that we were trying to "trap you" is beyond me and, frankly, borderline psychotic.  I had a good deal of faith in both you and what you were doing.  Find a single post where I did not.  In fact, I believe you will find a post wherein I even had Mark having to admit the same thing, that barring any shenanigans or unaccounted for circuit paths, your results were consistent with overunity.  So how is it we were in any way being negative?

Oh please. Why you try so hard to discredit some one when they begin to present evidence that go's against your !need to believe! hoaxes is really sad.

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What made your RT a fiasco was that you suddenly "pulled a Mylow", so to speak, complete with MIB, and went dark all of a sudden.  Sure, the thread moved over here, but there was both a "with Brad" and "without Brad" thread running over here, and I wanted no part of any "talking behind someone's back" , so I just moved on.  Check my join date and posting history over here, it is consistent with the above statements.

Ah,there you go again.

So there was a !without! Brad thread here was there ?
I will have to ask Chet about that,as that is something i would like,actually,need to know about,due to what is taking place ATM.
You might also like to talk to Chet about the !MIB! thing as you put it.
There was another lovely little well known person involved in the drama,and he is part reason it was halted,and the cause of Chet loosing one of his computers. There is much more to the story than you realize,but you feel you have the right to pass judgement.


You call it a conspiracy because you believe what you need to believe.
I call it a hoax,as the evidence clearly shows it to be one.
But it will be never ending,as you only choose to look at what you can clearly explain,and go no where near anything that you cannot.

But i do thank you for letting me know about the !without Brad! thread,as i need to look into that,and make sure the crew i have chosen are all on my side.  O0


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But i do thank you for letting me know about the !without Brad! thread,as i need to look into that,and make sure the crew i have chosen are all on my side.  O0

Brad

My apologies to all involved if I let the cat out of the bag.  After all these years, I did not realize this was not openly known info.

The truth is Brad, I was actually on your side back then, and mentioned my discomfort over the whole thing.  And walked away...
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So now you have rewritten history as if I was somehow or in some way against you, and that could not be further from the truth.

But, as you will, believe what you want.


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I did find topic and PM exchanges from
Picowatt, seemed there was prior discussion between picowatt
And Brad
Info not shared publicly?

And felt possible conflict !
Topic was only active for short time ..I do believe at some point I mentioned topic to Brad as few guys trying to sort what to do...might have been after it closed ...?

Was small thread ( few members) and I see a few of those members ...very trusted members ...are now gone from planet !(Ion and Groundloop)

Very sad indeed !

Brad was sent link to that topic ( today)

This forum is dedicated to open source
Nothing happens here that is not to be shared ,
At times there have been disruptions ...From outside to hinder this open source community !
And this is one reason some things go off public page!

In this case Brad could absolutely not be involved ( his “visit” and situation mandated this)

Sad stuff to have to write here !(was horrible time for me , things happened which were
Definitely outside influence, fried computer ( still sits unusable in corner of shop) huge bills sent to me for long distance Calls I never made ...and crazy sums which nobody could explain , phone could not call out of area code !!
It all just went away ....after months of which no one could say who generated bills / invoices ?
I went right to the top of personnel in charge?
Yeah they don’t want these techs open sourced ...

however now I feel it is vastly different world than 6-7 years ago
Public opinion towards planets dilemma....

Anyhow

...sad to read discord in community !!

We need each other now more than ever .....

And definitely need Open source FE


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I showed him a few of NASA's ISS hoax videos


...presumably from YouTube. Your work will be of no value unless you download directly from NASA archives.

Some of your so-called NASA videos from Youtube are absurd - particulalry the disappearing/reappearing blue hat.

It is as genuine as a nine dollar note.

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I did find topic and PM exchanges from
Picowatt, seemed there was prior discussion between picowatt
And Brad
Info not shared publicly?
And felt possible conflict !

Someone would have to refresh my memory on this, as I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday.

However, if Brad told me something in confidence, it has been locked away for so long I do not recall it.

But, I surely do not recall any "conflict" between he and I at that time.  Again, you'd have to refresh my memory on this.

What I do remember is wanting to remain anonymous, and my discomfort with participating in a private thread without Brad.

In any case, I sincerely apologize to all if I have violated a trust with my recent disclosure.  Its been something like 6 or 7 years now and I thought this was all water under the bridge.

I did not intend to start something...

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Why didn't Rumsfeld stop the flkow of money?
Why did he not hand the matter over to the FBI?

On 9-10-2001 Rumsfeld announced the discovery of missing Trillions.

Within DOD at the Pentagon an investigation into the Money Laundering Schemes and Theft Schemes was already underway.

0n 9-11-2001 the precision missile strike on the Pentagon  eliminated both the investigators and the evidence.

Other evidence at WTC #7 was also destroyed by the demolition on 9-11-2001..

Paul, you seem to have little "knowledge" about how government in America actually "works."

You must work on cultivating some "inside sources" to assist you in acquiring knowledge about how "dirty" it all is.



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On 9-10-2001 Rumsfeld announced the discovery of missing Trillions.

Within DOD at the Pentagon an investigation into the Money Laundering Schemes and Theft Schemes was already underway.

0n 9-11-2001 the precision missile strike on the Pentagon  eliminated both the investigators and the evidence.


Where is the evidence for this?

I doubt the data was stored on A4 sheets of paper, punched with two holes and stowed in Eastlight ring binders.

The data will be on computer, stored locally (maybe destroyed, maybe not) and backed up in some massive facility, possibly somewhere around the Pacific rim.

More likely on a USB device in Rumsfeld's briefcase.
   
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Paul, you seem to have little "knowledge" about how government in America actually "works."

You must work on cultivating some "inside sources" to assist you...

This works unless your inside sources are feeding you disinformation. This reminds me of :

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Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's off with her head
Remember what the Dormouse said
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Patience Paul!

In Due Time, when Maximum Effect is assured, ALL will be made known.

By the way;  The U.S. Secret Space Program is not a NASA program.

It is a Navy Program.

Ships whether made to sail the Seas or to explore Space are manned by the Navy including the Marine Corps.

The Unknown and "Dark" component of the Navy.

Secrets well kept.

Former participants in the "20 and Back" Program have partial memory recovery and are being permitted to make Limited Disclosure.

Full Disclosure will be made in the not too distant future.

Some who have knowledge may inquire about the Army's Nautical branch.  Yes, the Army does have a fleet of Ships and Boats.

ALL will be disclosed when it is time.


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Patience Paul!

In Due Time, when Maximum Effect is assured, ALL will be made known.

By the way;  The U.S. Secret Space Program is not a NASA program.

It is a Navy Program.

Ships whether made to sail the Seas or to explore Space are manned by the Navy including the Marine Corps.

The Unknown and "Dark" component of the Navy.

Secrets well kept.

Former participants in the "20 and Back" Program have partial memory recovery and are being permitted to make Limited Disclosure.

Full Disclosure will be made in the not too distant future.

Some who have knowledge may inquire about the Army's Nautical branch.  Yes, the Army does have a fleet of Ships and Boats.

ALL will be disclosed when it is time.

I think you have a very slender grip on reality. Believing like a religious zealot doesn't make it true.
   

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Believe what you are capable of dealing with Paul.

The "Technologies" being sought here are there.


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Believe what you are capable of dealing with Paul.

The "Technologies" being sought here are there.

...but with not one shred of evidence.
   

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Where is the evidence for this?

I doubt the data was stored on A4 sheets of paper, punched with two holes and stowed in Eastlight ring binders.

The data will be on computer, stored locally (maybe destroyed, maybe not) and backed up in some massive facility, possibly somewhere around the Pacific rim.

More likely on a USB device in Rumsfeld's briefcase.
paul rummy had to testify to congress about it. It was headlines the day before the planes hit. You should be able to find his testimony. I watched it on the evening news. I have no interest searching for it tho. Not my argument :)
   
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paul rummy had to testify to congress about it. It was headlines the day before the planes hit. You should be able to find his testimony. I watched it on the evening news. I have no interest searching for it tho. Not my argument :)

What I am saying is that any evidence evidence was probably NOT lost in the 9/11 events.
   

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What I am saying is that any evidence evidence was probably NOT lost in the 9/11 events.
I have no idea. I just remember him saying they’d lost trillions which I thought was careless.
   
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I have no idea. I just remember him saying they’d lost trillions which I thought was careless.
Fair enough. We will never know. But mudped's belief that 9/11 wiped out data cannot be right because the Pentagon knows full well that they would be the No.1 target in any nuclear attack. They would have provision.
   

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Paul,

I'm quite surprised that you know so little.

The precision missile strike on the Pentagon 9-11 was directed at the specific region of the Pentagon where the Investigation was taking place.

The whole investigative team and all of their evidence in any form was obliterated.

Those who died in the Pentagon as well as Towers #1 and #2 were Sacrifices to Baal, who is the god of the Cabal.

Several "Problems" to their (the Cabal) continued existence were "disappeared" on 9-11.

9-11 was a Very Dirty Business Inside Job.

But, yes, now we do know.

Other evidence has come to light in recent years.

It is now known by Present Investigators how the Theft and Money Laundering was accomplished.

And also the Covid-19 "connection."

This will all be made Public in due time.  Much is being done covertly.
 


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Paul,

I'm quite surprised that you know so little.

Those who died in the Pentagon as well as Towers #1 and #2 were Sacrifices to Baal, who is the god of the Cabal.


Evidence?

There's the confirmation of your mental status - if this needed confirming.
   

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Someone would have to refresh my memory on this, as I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday.

However, if Brad told me something in confidence, it has been locked away for so long I do not recall it.

But, I surely do not recall any "conflict" between he and I at that time.  Again, you'd have to refresh my memory on this.

What I do remember is wanting to remain anonymous, and my discomfort with participating in a private thread without Brad.

In any case, I sincerely apologize to all if I have violated a trust with my recent disclosure.  Its been something like 6 or 7 years now and I thought this was all water under the bridge.

I did not intend to start something...

PW

I have voiced my concerns and opinion,and now-yes,it is water under the bridge.

I also wish to convey my apologies to you PW in relations to comments i made in this thread to you.
We all have our ideal's and our belief's,but some time's i should keep them to my self.
I retract my comments about you being blind to the truth.


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I don't understand the point of forming opinions on opinions on videos and other so called inside secret things.

None of us have the actual facts ,just koolaid drivel from one side and spiked coca-cola from the other .


Whatever the real case is we will never know and don't have the resources to find out with any certainty.

What we do know is that once things are politicized all bullshit meters go off the scale and they are even more confusing.

How about ..I don't know because I am relying on others propaganda?

Or its none of my business
Or so &*%^&ing what.
Or hold on to your opinions until you get real facts ... But in these cases you will never get them as history belongs to the best story teller .

Its a great waste of human en-devour to defend opinions, based on you tube hits , because that is what they are ...opinions ..not facts ..you tube is a commercial enterprise that is entertainment based . That not to say it isn't a useful tool for sharing personal curiosities  or discoveries ,which will never get a million hits 

But its a race to bottom where facts are concerned

Conspiracy theories are fun but Its astounding how many here sprout the well promoted koolaid  as knowledge ....yes some, but very few turn out to be truthful ..but then they are not theories any more .

It would be a far more useful to use Wikipedia references ,even the unverified articles are stated as such .

They are the one of the few benefactors of any spare cash I have  especially in the evolving  field of medicine .

The rest of the net is totally overrun by snake oil sales and miracle cures.

Of course this is just my opinion ,which hopefully may help others to avoid useless and irrelevant conflict.

The earth is flat anyway ....more NASA lies!!!! Look that up .https://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/cheesy.gif

Its sad what has happened here .
I hope we can change this  .
 

 
   
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Its sad what has happened here .
I hope we can change this  .
 

I did post a suggestion that anyone who posted as a fact should be required by the moderators to provide clear proof. But there was no response.
   

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I did post a suggestion that anyone who posted as a fact should be required by the moderators to provide clear proof. But there was no response.

With the exception of you-hey Paul.
You don't need to post facts or truth,as everything you say is correct-hey?.


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With the exception of you-hey Paul.
You don't need to post facts or truth,as everything you say is correct-hey?.

Deary deary me, Brad; have I transgressed? Please let me know if I have.
   
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