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The Major Powers on Planet Earth each have their own, Alien Collaborated, Secret Space Programs.

NASA and comparable other Space Agencies of other Nations are indeed Institutions of Deception.

Deception is a Top Down program.

Each of the Agencies employs good and honorable People who are intentionally mis-informed and Limited in their pursuit of Expertise.

The Secret Space Programs routinely interact with the Moon, Mars, Saturn and its Moons and other Planets.

And beyond.

Star Trek and Star Wars are not entirely Fictitious.


When it is Time ALL will be revealed.

America, as it presently exists, (Top Down) is Bad.  Very Bad.


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The Major Powers on Planet Earth each have their own, Alien Collaborated, Secret Space Programs.

NASA and comparable other Space Agencies of other Nations are indeed Institutions of Deception.

Deception is a Top Down program.

Each of the Agencies employs good and honorable People who are intentionally mis-informed and Limited in their pursuit of Expertise.

The Secret Space Programs routinely interact with the Moon, Mars, Saturn and its Moons and other Planets.

And beyond.

Star Trek and Star Wars are not entirely Fictitious.


When it is Time ALL will be revealed.

America, as it presently exists, (Top Down) is Bad.  Very Bad.

If this is indeed true, then it is such a well kept secret and  well orchestrated deception by such a large group of people that we can do little but go along for the ride.

Even the hundreds of thousands of NASA employees and contractors are apparently also kept in the dark as they are forced to make "great achievements" with their crude and human engineered rockets, rovers and landers.

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It's not public knowledge that the US Government has their own UFO's, space bases on the moon and Mars, as well as the technology to eliminate every problem we face today.
   
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It's not public knowledge that the US Government has their own UFO's, space bases on the moon and Mars, as well as the technology to eliminate every problem we face today.

But apparently, only a chosen few, such as yourself, are privy to such information...
   
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If this is indeed true, then it is such a well kept secret and  well orchestrated deception by such a large group of people that we can do little but go along for the ride.

Even the hundreds of thousands of NASA employees and contractors are apparently also kept in the dark as they are forced to make "great achievements" with their crude and human engineered rockets, rovers and landers.

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Yes, PW, and one might ask: Who pays for these alleged space programmes and how is it done?
   

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But apparently, only a chosen few, such as yourself, are privy to such information...

Anyone who can read can find it.

Search for things like "Secret Space Program" and "Breakaway Civilization".
   
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Anyone who can read can find it.

Search for things like "Secret Space Program" and "Breakaway Civilization".

So it actually is "public knowledge"...

Make up your mind Grumpy.

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Anyone who can read can find it.

Search for things like "Secret Space Program" and "Breakaway Civilization".

If you do, you get a load of flakes who are just as insubstantial + some military stuff like the X-37B.
   

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If this is indeed true, then it is such a well kept secret and  well orchestrated deception by such a large group of people that we can do little but go along for the ride.

While it is indeed "Secret" and "well orchestrated" it is not a large group of People.

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Even the hundreds of thousands of NASA employees and contractors are apparently also kept in the dark as they are forced to make "great achievements" with their crude and human engineered rockets, rovers and landers.

Keeping People "in the dark" and confined to their "strictly limited area of research" is precisely the Function of High Control Compartmentalization.

"Crude and human engineered" is the name of the game.  It is a "Show."

Those who haven't been a part of Highly Classified Compartmentalized Programs are not able to comprehend.

In many cases "violators" are summarily executed.

"Leaks" are virtually impossible until it is time for limited disclosure.

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Who pays for these alleged space programmes and how is it done?

The "unaccounted for loss of Trillions" confessed to by Rumsfeld on 9-10-2001.

The day before the "evidence" was destroyed.  And the "accountants seeking answers" were killed.



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https://www.planetary.org/articles/why-are-there-no-stars#:~:text=Photographs%20of%20the%20night%20sky,was%20a%20minutes%2Dlong%20exposure.
Why are there no stars in most space images?

Damn, that has to be some kind of record because I found a valid scientific explanation in about 20 seconds flat.

I can only think that if more people spent there time on free energy research rather than making up nonsensical conspiracy theories the world would be a better place. This is embarrassing to watch...

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Chem trails were also called a conspiracy theory by the !know all's!,until such time as the government came clean.
Then the Embarrassment was placed on those that called it a conspiracy lol.


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So you think there are not people or countries that would edit or make fake videos in order to make America look bad?    I call your posts on this subject all balderdash.   It seems for once I agree with paul-r and allcanadian  :o

Well as most of the video's are from American's them self,then you have a problem.
These are not doctored video's,they are clearly the actions taken by the Astronot's.
And some of these happened on live feed's,so how exactly do you doctor those ?.


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You are so predictable and easily triggered.

Well when it come's to bullshit,then you bet your ass i will expose that bullshit.

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In the years leading up to the RT fiasco

What fiasco ?
Why not be true and disclose exactly what happened.
You asked me to carry out some tests,which i did to your very instruction's.
It only became a !fiasco! because i got results that did not comply with your indoctrinated belief's.
Had you continued to follow the discussion about those result's,you would of understood as to what was going on. It is your's and many others belief that in order to have a device that show's such result's can't be real,as you assume energy must have been being created,which we !all! know is not possible. So it would seem that the tests you asked me to carry out were some sort of trap,some sort of means to expose my work as some sort of fraud. But when there was no evidence of that,due to me carrying out the test in one !uncut! video shot,that is when the fiasco started,and not by me. It became a fiasco only to people like you,that have this firm belief that in order for a device to produce those result's it must be creating energy,and your belief do not allow for this,and so it became !some how! a fake to those like your self,regardless of the fact that the tests were carried out under your instructions.

Here is the problem we have to this day. All those like you have determined that in order for a self sustaining device to work,that can output some degree of extra energy,it must have to create energy. Don't get me wrong here,i appreciate all that i have learned from people like your self,but you and the others were not teaching me all i needed to know. In fact,having this !theory! that the device had to created energy to be self sustaining and able to deliver some value of excess energy drummed into me by guys like you was doing more harm than good,as you eventually end up with tunnel vision that this is all that there is. But when you step away,and you start using your own brain,the world once again opens up to different possibilities. I am not constrained to your belief's,and this allows for much more than the narrow thinking you may have. You are stuck on this !OU=created energy! thing,where as i am not.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that all you have to do is to create a continual or pulsed imbalance  rather than create energy in order to have a self sustaining device ?

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, I followed along at overunity.com and gained a great deal of respect for you.  I, as I am sure others did as well, found you to be an excellent experimentalist with an open and scientific mind that was quick to devise experiments to isolate variables while making your investigations.  I watched as more formally trained individuals (.99. MH. TK, Mark (RIP), and others) helped you understand your measurements, sources of errors, etc. as you were quick to grasp and learn.  I was quite impressed.

But now,because i have a different view than your's on matters i think are critical,you have lost that respect and impression ?.

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Then, after the RT fiasco and your fake moon landing thread, it became obvious to me that there are certain subjects, three that I am now aware of, that will trigger you every time and cause you to become totally biased and unscientific.  It seems you have allowed your beliefs regarding these subjects to cloud your judgement.  It is a shame that you do not apply the objective investigative skills I once knew you to have to these subjects.

And the very same could be said about you,where your need to believe clouds your judgement.

I am using the scientific method,like calculating how much lift the mars helicopter would have to have to fly on mars. But you think it is easily done,where a drone can produce enough thrust to lift over the needed 30 times it's own weight in order to fly in the martian atmosphere.
I carried out some calculations,and i posted the data of actual high end heavy lift drones,which exceeded that of the mars helicopter drone.
You on the other hand posted your findings on some !as you put it! quick napkin calculation's,and then posted thrust data of a plane with a 134kw engine. So i ask,who is not using the scientific method here?
Who is letting the love for NASA to cloud there judgement ?.

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Over on the Mars nuclear war thread, you trivialize achieving Mars orbit, or indeed landing a rover, as being no big deal, its been done thousands of times.  Of course this can't include Mars, because we haven't been there thousands of times.  Mars has been tough.  Russia gave up after many failures, and the US has had quite a few failures as well, one particularly embarrassing, but the US prodded along.

It is the same as everything--people loose interest after it has been done.
And it is like riding a bike--the first time your parents cheer with joy,but a month later it is hardly mentioned.
https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/magazine/waning-interest

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It is indeed becoming easier (not easy) to get to Mars, and space in general, mainly because of NASA.  Almost without exclusion, all the data collected from every launch of a scientific package deployed by NASA (and its failures) has been placed in the public domain for scientists to use all over the world.  That ever growing knowledge base is allowing other countries and private companies to get in the space game as well.  That knowledge base came at a very high cost in terms of both lives and treasure.

This is what peev's me off--NASA this NASA that.
But the only reason NASA ever got into space in the first place,was all thanks to a member of the enemy--Wernher von Braun. NASA obviously did not have the brains needed to get man into space,they needed a man from the enemy-Germany.
Who put the first satellite in space?. Who put the first man in orbit ?
NASA is claimed to be so great,yet they couldn't even build a heavy lift rocket them selves.
But we are all to believe that the very same NASA put man on the moon  C.C

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Some here scoff at the $80 million dollar cost of the Mars 'copter, but will spend no time investigating why it cost that much.  In fact, that $80 million dollar project cost is actually $85 million dollars, the additional $5 million being roughly a month of operational expenses after deployment.  For sure there is some degree of bloat in the NASA budget, but, as other US budget items go, the NASA budget is one of the more transparent budgets by way of openly published data or via FOIA requests.  NASA maintains some rather costly facilities which are constantly upgraded to maintain currency.  With regard to the $5 million operating cost of Ingenuity, if a given project requires maintaining a team of Engineers, software developers, and duplicate hardware or simulators, using NASA hardware at NASA facilities, and needing bandwidth on NASA maintained deep space tracking and communication networks, that project has to share in the annual costs to maintain all those facilities and associated personnel.  Space is not cheap.  That is why up until recently, it required state sponsorship to get into space.  But, again, due to the sharing of the data gleaned from those state sponsored programs, even that is changing as private companies throw their hat in the ring.


Yes,i am one of those that scoff's.
Where does this $80,000,000 come from?-->yes,the people.
It is sad when the mindset is to spend $80,000,000 on a drone that !!may!! fly,and make about 5 x 90 second flights on a planet we will not get to for at least another 50 year's,when that $80,000,000 could have been spent on saving the lives of 100's of thousand's of starving children world wide,or housed thousands of homeless people in america. But here you are,justifying the $80,000,000 spent on a worthless drone that in reality would cost about 5k today to design and build<-- and that's a fact.

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So, if it is becoming a trivial matter to get to Mars, as you would on the one hand have us believe, we can, primarily, thank NASA.  But, on the other hand, you also seem to think its all fakery and lies.

No,you can't thank NASA.
NASA couldn't even design a rocket to get man into space.
You think the mars helicopter is going to fly on mar's,then provide actual data on the power to weight ratio actually needed in order for it to achieve this.
Start here in earth conditions,and provide a link to any helicopter or drone that can lift 30 times it's own weight,as that is the value of thrust needed to achieve this flight on mars.
No point in providing the thrust of a 134kw plane engine,as we both know it would not fly on mars,not can it take of vertically.

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Now you want to throw the ISS into your fake space crap, which means you need to change this thread title from "Deceptions of NASA" to something along the lines of "Worldwide Conspiracy to Fake the ISS", because many countries have been involved with the ISS.
I read your thread this morning while having my coffee, and followed all the provided links.  At first, I found it all quite humorous and a bit entertaining.  But as my day continued I became a bit sad, considering that you, of all people, would display the degree of ignorance depicted by the following post:
The bold portion in the above quote should have been your first clue.  Anyone with even the most basic understanding of video compression and error correction would immediately recognize these as compression and dropout related artifacts.  That these "proof of fakery" artifacts happen only, or mostly, to moving objects should have made that very obvious.

It is odd how the very same thing happened with me.
I too was reading your post while having a coffe,and was also saddened to see you need to believe has thrown all your common sense out the window.

You know as well as i do that any sane person would see the deception in those video's i posted.
Fact 1- in some of them,some of the actual equipment along side the astronot's also glitches,leaving the greenscreen projected background completely in tack and clear.
Fact 2- You never addressed the very clear video's showing 1 astronot grabbing the cables attached to the other astronot carrying out a somersault to stablize him.
Fact 3-You never address the astronot grabbing and putting a hat on the shelf that does not even exist.

You seem to pick and choose what you wish to address,and as always with believers like you,they only ever address what they !may! be able to explain.

Please watch this--but im guessing this is fake as well
Some one went to all this trouble to put this video together in there back room-Right?
Problem is,all those people are real,and this video is real. Nothing like a chroma key screen behind you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQC_eZPQFzI

Why have a chroma key screen behind you?

From 0:44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnvMJckEqYE


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Surely you have seen similar compression/motion related artifacts from satellite TV dropouts and poorly edited (hard cuts/starts) posted videos where some amount of time is required for the entire frame to reassemble, particularly with regard to moving objects.

Sure.
But have never seen grown men playing with invisible hats,or a need for cables to hold up astronots when there !suppose! to be in 0G.
Nor have i seen hair act like the females astronots hair in 0G-video proof  already provided for all these.

1:50 The invisible hat. That is no glitch PW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4p3I1lseX0

NASA hair v actual 0G hair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0zxOKCSGrA

Real hair in 0 G.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pkjHWAZLs&t=247s

NASA ISS hair in 0 G lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIjNfZbUYu8&t=31s

Actual 0 G curly hair hair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBrCmxPbcbM

NASA 0 G curly hair lol. Nothing like copious amounts of hair gel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv_kLaFd_F8

If ya can't make it-fake it.

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What a shame,

Yes it is. A mind as bright as yours so easily clouded with the need to believe.
NASA is like God for some,where as the need or want to believe excludes all science and common sense.


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Pictures taken from the Chinese moon rover don't show stars in the dark sky either.

https://www.space.com/42902-china-moon-far-side-rover-yutu-2-tracks.html

Well half of NASA is lying.

To quote the first man on the moon !apparently!
0:48--> The sky is a deep black when viewed from the moon as it is when viewed within the space between the earth and the moon.

Directly after-Neil deGrasse Tyson . He is an American astrophysicist, planetary scientist, author, and science communicator.
Since 1996, he has been the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City. The center is part of the American Museum of Natural History, where Tyson founded the Department of Astrophysics in 1997 and has been a research associate in the department since 2003.


Quote: 1:05-->Since the moon has no atmosphere,then a day time picture-if your there in the day time on the moon,then you see a full night  sky full of stars,even with the sun in the sky as well (which is exactly as i said it should be a few posts back,as there is no particles in the vacuum of space to create light pollution,and you cannot see light it self).

Neil Armstrong 1:16 --> We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface.

ETC-ETC-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os3H8aWaJAo

Although there are some here that will not like this,Neil Armstrong and many other NASA employees are lying.
We know this because we know there is no such thing as light pollution in space,and as long as you are not directly looking at the source of the light,you will see a sky full of stars.
So Neil is lying when he says you cannot see stars from the moons surface or in the space between the earth and moon. The question then becomes-->if he is lying about that,then what else is he lying about?.

The believers do not like facts being presented to them,even though the truth is placed right there in front of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUF7qgSOJM


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Who pays for these alleged space programmes and how is it done?


The "unaccounted for loss of Trillions" confessed to by Rumsfeld on 9-10-2001.

The day before the "evidence" was destroyed.  And the "accountants seeking answers" were killed


Where did you get this from?
Why didn't Rumsfeld stop the flkow of money?
Why did he not hand the matter over to the FBI?
   

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There are those here that seem to think a project or hoax this large would have been found out,due to the very large number of people working on the project.

Well i give you the Manhattan Project.

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As the only person knowledgeable about the entire project, Groves stood at the pinnacle of power. He controlled the project's pace, priorities, and direction through his decisions. No one could travel from one site to another without the general's permission. Knowledge was compartmentalized. Workers were told only what they needed to know and were forbidden to discuss their jobs with anyone other than designated supervisors.
Scientists, used to the free exchange of ideas, rebelled against the compartmentalization. At Los Alamos, Oppenheimer insisted that weekly scientific colloquia and other exchanges were essential to solve difficult problems. But this openness among the top echelon of scientists at Los Alamos was an exception and was contained "inside the fence." For everyone else, it was "Stick to your knitting!"

https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/security-and-secrecy

This is how easily it can be done.
 The Manhattan Project employed over 120,000 Americans,but only one person knew what the entire workings of the project was-Groves.

There has been countless projects that use these very same principals.


So if you think it impossible to keep such secrets--think again.


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Wow,NASA's latest toy has touched down on mars.

So the earth is 149.6 million km away from the sun,and we know how big the sun looks from earth.
Mars is 227.9 million km away from the sun,and so the sun should look much smaller on mars than it does on earth-right?.

Below a snap shot from NASA's video,just before they cut that shot out  C.C
The parachute they used was 21 meters in diameter.
Look at the size of the sun next to the 21 meter diameter parachute  C.C :o

We also see that once again,NSAS has performed a miracle-they got a parachute to work in an atmosphere equivalent to that 35km above the earths surface.  O0

Using a calculator designed to calculate the needed size here in earths much thicker atmosphere,where i left the acceleration of G as earths,but adjusting the weight so as to replicate the mars gravitational value.We find that we need a parachute with a diameter of 34.2 meters--and that is for earths much denser atmosphere.

Then,listening to NASA's descent information on there video,we can calculate the rate of deceleration as being 13.05MPS-every second. So every second,the deceleration value increases by 13.05MPS.
Once again,we see miracles being performed by NASA  O0

Can't wait to see the helicopter zooming around taking happy snap's  O0
BTW. Did anyone else notice that in all the test flights they made(well all the ones i have seen anyway) here on earth of the helicopter,not once did they have the big solar panel sitting on top of the rotating blades  :o

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Why fake all of these things? 

What's the motive?
   

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Why fake all of these things? 

What's the motive?


Well there is money to be made.

For example--the apollo missions earned the government and contractors over 6 billion dollars in todays dollar value.


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Well there is money to be made.

For example--the apollo missions earned the government and contractors over 6 billion dollars in todays dollar value.

There's got to be more to it than that...
   
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But apparently, only a chosen few, such as yourself, are privy to such information...

Also see the Tom Cruise movie "American Made" which is based on a true story and person.  See Eye A drug running makes lots of $ for secret projects.   I knew someone personally who saw and confirmed this was going on.   

And what muDped said about that trillions missing Rumsfeld noted...
   
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The Manhattan Project employed over 120,000 Americans,but only one person knew what the entire workings of the project was-Groves.


He was a general in the US army, and possibly chosen because he'd make an excellent project manager. I'd be surprised if he knew enough physics to explain Newton's laws of motion.

There would have been a dozen or two who were the hub of the physics. Keeping the secret was easy; they were cut off in the desert and the imperative was obvious.

But it proves the point.

All the secrets came out and in a short space of time, the Soviets had the A bomb and an H bomb not that much later.

Another own goal, Brad.
   

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He was a general in the US army, and possibly chosen because he'd make an excellent project manager. I'd be surprised if he knew enough physics to explain Newton's laws of motion.

There would have been a dozen or two who were the hub of the physics. Keeping the secret was easy; they were cut off in the desert and the imperative was obvious.

But it proves the point.

All the secrets came out and in a short space of time, the Soviets had the A bomb and an H bomb not that much later.

Another own goal, Brad.

The project ran for 3 year's,which is not a short space of time.
It was only disclosed after completion,as it would be a bit hard to hide a nuclear bomb blast.

As i said,you just don't read,even though i continually provide posts explaining everything i say.

But that is to be expected from those like your self--you never like clear and proven answers,or any evidence that does not suit your narrative.


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There's got to be more to it than that...

Well the apollo missions were in the mist of the cold war,and the space race between the US and Russia
Russia got the first satellite into orbit.
Russia got the first man into orbit
And Russia got the first craft landed on the moon.

America was well behind in the space race,and at the time,Russia was in front by a mile.
Imagine if Russia was also the first to land man on the moon  :(
That would have given them clear dominance in the space realm,and i think this is something that America had to avoid at !all! costs.



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The project ran for 3 year's,which is not a short space of time.
It was only disclosed after completion,as it would be a bit hard to hide a nuclear bomb blast.


The point is that they kept a secret for three years. And then it got out.

NASA's preposterous secret, a thousand times more incendiary, was alleged by you to have been kept for HALF A CENTURY and continuing.
   
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Well the apollo missions were in the mist of the cold war,and the space race between the US and Russia
Russia got the first satellite into orbit.
Russia got the first man into orbit
And Russia got the first craft landed on the moon.

America was well behind in the space race,and at the time,Russia was in front by a mile.
Imagine if Russia was also the first to land man on the moon  :(


They probably would have if they hadn't sent Corolev to some salt mine or other on some trumped up charge.
   
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