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Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #25 on: 2021-02-17, 16:13:42 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: TinMan on 2021-02-17, 14:26:09 It will happen,but you need to ask and be able to answer this question with absolute certainty--> What will be the outcome of such a device being released into the world ? What will the war machines of the world use this unlimited power source for? Will the energy cartels just lay down and die? Will your government allow such a device to make it to market? Do you really think that the powers that be in the above listed are simply going to say--ok,you can all have access to this unlimited free energy. Do you understand the impact that this would have on the worlds finances ? No more coal required No more natural gas required No more gasoline or diesel needed. The two biggest industries in my country are coal and gas,which accounts for tens of thousands of jobs,and our countries main export dollars. In this case,our country would go broke. So do you really believe that they (the big guns) would just let this happen?. Building the machine !!will!! be easy. Delivering that machine to the world with total acceptance will be almost impossible. Brad Have to agree to most of your post. The thing is any electrical or mechanical device will have to be homologized (approved), there is a safety net for all that do not want it used at this time. I have already gone into this and you will not get around it, it is the ACE they have and you will not even be allowed to use it even just for yourself as it will be made to be dangerous for others with not having this approval. I am a strong believer that there is no such thing as over-unity, free energy yes but it has to come from somewhere! Energy can neither be created or destroyed, only converted, so what energy are you going to convert! Water, wind or the SUN. The first two are intermittent, the only one that is more stable is the last. If the SUN burns out then we are all dead anyway unless we can create a new SUN. $:-\$ The energy from the SUN can be extracted 24/7 Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #26 on: 2021-02-17, 16:26:20 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Coming soon Regards Mike ------------------------ Book cover.pdf (451.48 kB - downloaded 129 times.) --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Paul-R	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #27 on: 2021-02-17, 18:19:35 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-17, 16:13:42 Have to agree to most of your post. The thing is any electrical or mechanical device will have to be homologized (approved), there is a safety net for all that do not want it used at this time... Contrary to your view, Mike, this should not apply to a DIY project, possibly run along the lines of Bedini's Schoolgirl Energiser, with literature and online support. People will build a unit for themselves, then for others and as the gear becomes popular and accepted, regular companies will take it on and get the approvals needed for a commercial product.

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #28 on: 2021-02-17, 18:52:24 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Paul-R on 2021-02-17, 18:19:35 This does not apply to a DIY project, possibly run along the lines of Bedini's Schoolgirl Energiser, with literature and online support. People will build a unit for themselves, then for others and as the gear becomes popular and accepted, regular companies will take it on and get the approvals needed for a commercial product. Would I be allowed to build a nuclear reactor as a DIY project in my home! I don't think so. Will they know I have some form of electric energy in my home! they will if I have no electric connection and no solar panels and no wind turbine, but I do have lights! The excuse to enter your property is that you must be robing power from the grid in some way. TPU's run on plasma, silent plasma which is even difficult to see, it is contained within a magnetic field, so it would be probably be put under some form of a nuclear reactor, but it's not, the SUN is and is the N plant that creates the energy in the first place through ionization (plasma) Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Paul-R	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #29 on: 2021-02-17, 18:59:33 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-17, 18:52:24 Would I be allowed to build a nuclear reactor as a DIY project in my home! I don't think so. Will they know I have some form of electric energy in my home! they will if I have no electric connection and no solar panels and no wind turbine, but I do have lights! It's the nuclear fuel that will bother them. There are a large number of off-grid premises which do not get a visit.

Grumpy	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #30 on: 2021-02-17, 19:25:18 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-17, 18:52:24 Would I be allowed to build a nuclear reactor as a DIY project in my home! I don't think so. Will they know I have some form of electric energy in my home! they will if I have no electric connection and no solar panels and no wind turbine, but I do have lights! The excuse to enter your property is that you must be robing power from the grid in some way. TPU's run on plasma, silent plasma which is even difficult to see, it is contained within a magnetic field, so it would be probably be put under some form of a nuclear reactor, but it's not, the SUN is and is the N plant that creates the energy in the first place through ionization (plasma) Regards Mike You bring up some good points. Several people have built homemade Farnsworth Fusors in hopes of making nuclear fusion work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor https://makezine.com/projects/make-36-boards/nuclear-fusor/ https://www.fusor.net/ Having your lights on in a power outage isn't a crime. Home generators are very popular since the gulf hurricanes, and California fires. You just can't trust the power grid any more. The Atomic Energy Commission is aware of TPU's, according to Steven's story. They aren't nuclear powered or anything close to that, but since the driving fields are separated, you could loop them back and make a very big Boom! Will terrorist take advantage of this? They could, but to what end? Terrorist usual want something to happen. When you have everything you need, why do you need to perform acts of terror? Imagine the world with free energy and force field propulsion: things that are not affordable, suddenly are practical. Desalination of ocean water. Converting CO2 back into hydrocarbons. Increased food production via greenhouses, aqua culture, and new farming methods. Automated garbage recycling on a global scale. Traveling to Mars, the moons of Jupiter, Alpha Centauri, Cepheus, Sirius, Zeta Riticuli, and beyond. Settling other worlds, and even saving some of them from their own bad decisions or disasters. What is there to war over once you have the energy? Too crowded, move somewhere else. Need water, desalinate the ocean water. Running out of resources? Find new ones. There's a big universe out there. Free energy and force field propulsion breaks the chains that enslave us.

bte	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #31 on: 2021-02-17, 20:02:14 »
Full Member Posts: 208	Quote from: Grumpy on 2021-02-17, 19:25:18 You bring up some good points. Several people have built homemade Farnsworth Fusors in hopes of making nuclear fusion work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor https://makezine.com/projects/make-36-boards/nuclear-fusor/ https://www.fusor.net/ Having your lights on in a power outage isn't a crime. Home generators are very popular since the gulf hurricanes, and California fires. You just can't trust the power grid any more. The Atomic Energy Commission is aware of TPU's, according to Steven's story. They aren't nuclear powered or anything close to that, but since the driving fields are separated, you could loop them back and make a very big Boom! Will terrorist take advantage of this? They could, but to what end? Terrorist usual want something to happen. When you have everything you need, why do you need to perform acts of terror? Imagine the world with free energy and force field propulsion: things that are not affordable, suddenly are practical. Desalination of ocean water. Converting CO2 back into hydrocarbons. Increased food production via greenhouses, aqua culture, and new farming methods. Automated garbage recycling on a global scale. Traveling to Mars, the moons of Jupiter, Alpha Centauri, Cepheus, Sirius, Zeta Riticuli, and beyond. Settling other worlds, and even saving some of them from their own bad decisions or disasters. What is there to war over once you have the energy? Too crowded, move somewhere else. Need water, desalinate the ocean water. Running out of resources? Find new ones. There's a big universe out there. Free energy and force field propulsion breaks the chains that enslave us. Well said and an excellent motivator.

Cadman	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #32 on: 2021-02-17, 20:54:40 »
Full Member Posts: 152	If you have a generator of free electricity the way to fool them is to install a small solar powered system and hide your generator out of sight. Make sure there are no electronic emissions from the FE device. Keep the refrigerator or something running on the grid so they see some usage. Then when they bully you into entering the premises, and they will, just show them the solar and tell them you have cut down on electric use to help save the environment. --------------------------- 'Tis better to try and fail than never try at all

JimBoot	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #33 on: 2021-02-17, 21:56:08 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Quote from: Grumpy on 2021-02-17, 19:25:18 You bring up some good points. Several people have built homemade Farnsworth Fusors in hopes of making nuclear fusion work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor https://makezine.com/projects/make-36-boards/nuclear-fusor/ https://www.fusor.net/ Having your lights on in a power outage isn't a crime. Home generators are very popular since the gulf hurricanes, and California fires. You just can't trust the power grid any more. The Atomic Energy Commission is aware of TPU's, according to Steven's story. They aren't nuclear powered or anything close to that, but since the driving fields are separated, you could loop them back and make a very big Boom! Will terrorist take advantage of this? They could, but to what end? Terrorist usual want something to happen. When you have everything you need, why do you need to perform acts of terror? Imagine the world with free energy and force field propulsion: things that are not affordable, suddenly are practical. Desalination of ocean water. Converting CO2 back into hydrocarbons. Increased food production via greenhouses, aqua culture, and new farming methods. Automated garbage recycling on a global scale. Traveling to Mars, the moons of Jupiter, Alpha Centauri, Cepheus, Sirius, Zeta Riticuli, and beyond. Settling other worlds, and even saving some of them from their own bad decisions or disasters. What is there to war over once you have the energy? Too crowded, move somewhere else. Need water, desalinate the ocean water. Running out of resources? Find new ones. There's a big universe out there. Free energy and force field propulsion breaks the chains that enslave us. Nicely put. Clean limitless energy means real freedom to me.

PhysicsProf	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #34 on: 2021-02-18, 00:22:24 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Good points, excellent discussion. Mike, it is true that we should check for any dangerous emissions from our device such as neutrons, X-rays even intense RF. These should be fairly straightforward (not necessarily easy) to check for - you just need the proper detectors to rule out hazardous emissions.

Paul-R	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #35 on: 2021-02-18, 00:25:24 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2021-02-18, 00:22:24 Good points, excellent discussion. Mike, it is true that we should check for any dangerous emissions from our device such as neutrons, X-rays even intense RF. ...maybe even very sharp square wave pulsed EM signals?

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #36 on: 2021-02-18, 08:25:04 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	The TPU is an energy collector through ions interchanging electrons, more positive or more negative ions. Our atmosphere is made up of particles, ionic particles positive and negative, like the medium within a battery, an electrolyte. A plasma is made of atoms which has had some of it's electrons removed so making it more positive. A simple plasma is made by a charge build up on a dielectric, in this case the plasma iis seen by a circuit as a capacitor. I have just given you the means of creating and mixing and collecting energy. Our atmosphere is ionic. Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

3D Magnetics	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #37 on: 2021-02-18, 08:55:09 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Sr. Member Posts: 342	That would suggest that the energy required to create plasma is less than the capacitor can provide ? But this raises an on topic point that it may require a high skill set and a high level of commitment . Not all "members of the public could give 2 hoots about how to control a magnetic plasma field . We could expect an "us and them" scenario to play out in its many forms ,just as it has in the past . Perhaps we should all just do what we are good at ,get better at it , and perhaps,with cross cooperation simplify it over time . There is great risk in offering touchy prototype , high voltage tech to somebody with no respect for lethal high voltage and current . Most here who do have that respect ,it was from small past mistakes . Its why our mains wiring is effectively isolated from everyday activities . So it this context may answer is no ...but not hidden either

JimBoot	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #38 on: 2021-02-18, 09:18:43 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2021-02-18, 08:55:09 That would suggest that the energy required to create plasma is less than the capacitor can provide ? But this raises an on topic point that it may require a high skill set and a high level of commitment . Not all "members of the public could give 2 hoots about how to control a magnetic plasma field . We could expect an "us and them" scenario to play out in its many forms ,just as it has in the past . Perhaps we should all just do what we are good at ,get better at it , and perhaps,with cross cooperation simplify it over time . There is great risk in offering touchy prototype , high voltage tech to somebody with no respect for lethal high voltage and current . Most here who do have that respect ,it was from small past mistakes . Its why our mains wiring is effectively isolated from everyday activities . So it this context may answer is no ...but not hidden either I think that if the principles are easily repeated in poorer communities it could grow from there. I wouldn’t hook anything up to my without a qualified sparky but no one is “qualified” for such a device install. So parts market could be a path for the camping communities etc.

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #39 on: 2021-02-18, 10:17:41 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2021-02-18, 08:55:09 That would suggest that the energy required to create plasma is less than the capacitor can provide ? Yes, you mix two in-phase AC signals what do you get! the sum of the two frequencies, and then capture the result. Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2021-02-18, 08:55:09 But this raises an on topic point that it may require a high skill set and a high level of commitment . To a certain extent, but many here could build this with no problem. A simple means of plugging into a sky socket is not going to happen Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2021-02-18, 08:55:09 Not all "members of the public could give 2 hoots about how to control a magnetic plasma field . That is the case, most want to just plugin Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2021-02-18, 08:55:09 We could expect an "us and them" scenario to play out in its many forms ,just as it has in the past . Perhaps we should all just do what we are good at ,get better at it , and perhaps,with cross cooperation simplify it over time . There is great risk in offering touchy prototype , high voltage tech to somebody with no respect for lethal high voltage and current . Most here who do have that respect ,it was from small past mistakes . Its why our mains wiring is effectively isolated from everyday activities . So it this context may answer is no ...but not hidden either Hope your improving Lindsay Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #40 on: 2021-02-18, 10:26:12 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	A paragraph from my book:- I think we may need to walk before we run, the world runs on economies, and the car industry is at this time going through it’s biggest change in the history of motorised vehicles, let’s not rock that boat too much. The biggest of the industries lies in the energy supply chain, oil, gas, and electric generation which includes multi-billion investments not only in generation, but also the infrastructure for the distribution of that energy. Many many people are employed in these industries, can we really warrant such a sudden change in the worldwide energy supply! End quote. Don't worry I will give it away, but I am warning now that it will be controlled, there is no way around that Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Paul-R	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #41 on: 2021-02-18, 11:38:14 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-18, 10:26:12 Many many people are employed in these industries, can we really warrant such a sudden change in the worldwide energy supply! Apart from the regrettable lack of a semicolon in the middle, my thought is "Yes". Economies must be flexible and many people working in that industry have jobs which, with training, are transferrable. The real issue is not so much energy as automation. In his book "Fear: Trump in the White house", Bob Woodward quotes Gary Cohn as saying to trump that if he gets a second term, his big problem will be the 25% of the economy lost to automation in the auto industry.

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #42 on: 2021-02-18, 12:44:24 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Paul-R on 2021-02-18, 11:38:14 Apart from the regrettable lack of a semicolon in the middle, my thought is "Yes". Economies must be flexible and many people working in that industry have jobs which, with training, are transferrable. The real issue is not so much energy as automation. In his book "Fear: Trump in the White house", Bob Woodward quotes Gary Cohn as saying to trump that if he gets a second term, his big problem will be the 25% of the economy lost to automation in the auto industry. Paul don't nit pick, that is a rough draft, you should have seen it before I went over it a few times. My keyboard does not like typing in English as it is in Spanish I think, dream and talk mainly Spanish these days. Typing from my phone Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Paul-R	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #43 on: 2021-02-18, 14:00:13 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-18, 12:44:24 Paul don't nit pick, that is a rough draft, you should have seen it before I went over it a few times. My keyboard does not like typing in English as it is in Spanish I should have resisted. My fault. But I would suggest taking a position of embracing change. It is going to happen. For instance, it is possible to buy wheel hub motors on Alibaba which allow two wheels to be removed and replaced with these new ones + a controller and batteries and a bit more work. The CO2 generated by building a complete new car is sizeable and this avoids it.

Grumpy	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #44 on: 2021-02-18, 15:02:37 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-18, 08:25:04 The TPU is an energy collector through ions interchanging electrons, more positive or more negative ions. Then where is your TPU?

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #45 on: 2021-02-18, 16:07:43 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Grumpy on 2021-02-18, 15:02:37 Then where is your TPU? Safe at the moment, but you never know for how long. I presume you are talking about a physical one! Replication is being done and about to be switched on by a very able third party. Before and after insulating, it looks like this, but not going to tell you much. Do you realize how much work there is in documenting a build!!! I have just finished it Monday and it is in many safe places but awaiting a final review. Regards Mike ------------------------ Should a free energy device be released to the public? TPU build photo7.png (2470.01 kB, 1597x1632 - viewed 231 times.) Should a free energy device be released to the public? IMG_20201222_122522.jpg (1181.29 kB, 1840x3264 - viewed 234 times.) Page 1 STEAP TPU build20210218_17052996.pdf (248.08 kB - downloaded 114 times.) --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Grumpy	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #46 on: 2021-02-18, 16:39:30 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-18, 16:07:43 Safe at the moment, but you never know for how long. I presume you are talking about a physical one! Replication is being done and about to be switched on by a very able third party. Before and after insulating, it looks like this, but not going to tell you much. Do you realize how much work there is in documenting a build!!! I have just finished it Monday and it is in many safe places but awaiting a final review. Regards Mike Looks unusual. Does it work?

Allcanadian	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #47 on: 2021-02-18, 17:08:40 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	bte Quote I've made up my mind after going back and forth on this issue. I'm not going to try to make any money off of whatever I end up successfully replicating. I'm going to try my hardest to get it out to as many people as possible. That is a noble cause and your reasoning is sound. Your response was well spoken and sometimes the old timers need a fresh perspective to remind them of why there here. I apologize for my rude behavior and it was more me thinking out loud than directed at you personally. There is a lot of hostility in the forums and society these days which effects all of us. Quote Look at the inventors who have taken their secret to their grave. What impact did they have on their fellow man? Their technology died with them. The allure of money and protecting their invention might be the biggest hurdle to overcome, followed by suppression by vested interests. I would agree and many here including myself have had some bad experiences in the past. However we should not let our experiences reflect on others and there goals. Thanks for the input... Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Centraflow	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #48 on: 2021-02-18, 17:31:10 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Grumpy on 2021-02-18, 16:39:30 Looks unusual. Does it work? Yes, it does, and not the first one. The one you see is for the build documents only as it is color-coded. It is as close to Steven Mark's as in the picture below Regards Mike ------------------------ Should a free energy device be released to the public? closeup TPU showing top and bottom loops.png (727.59 kB, 1343x843 - viewed 213 times.) --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Grumpy	Re: Should a free energy device be released to the public? « Reply #49 on: 2021-02-18, 17:45:16 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-02-18, 17:31:10 Yes, it does, and not the first one. Show it working.

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