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I have been researching OU devices for many years and as an engineer find the research a challeng and an opportunity.
Recently another aspect of this technology has crept in to my mind.

A few years back I went to a seminar put up by one of major manufacturers of ZIGBEE devices.
The presenter was boastfully talking amongst the applications of a system where by they were assisting some company with
researching the use of their chips in a cluster bombs where the bomblets would form an intelligent newtork waiting on the ground
and explode when maximum damage can be done.

The whole idea sickened me. In fact, living amongst such creatures sickened me even more.

When I sit and think of a free energy device I am thinking of easing the burdon of the poor and the disadvantaged around the world
at the same time, if a meglamaniac gets hold of this technology he would want to kill and distroy to an unimagined limit.

Once you have gone over the need for money, fame and recognition you enter another paradigm.
I know I am amongst like minded people here.

This may seem an absurd question but need's to be discussed.

   

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Should a free energy device be released to the public?

Absolutely.

Will humans abuse the technology?

Absolutely.

Should we withhold technology because some humans do stupid things?

Absolutely not.

The evolution of mankind has lost a good 80 to 100 years because of technology suppression.  We're still using rockets, and building giant particle accelerators to smash atoms together.
   
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Should a free energy device be released to the public?

Absolutely.

Will humans abuse the technology?

Absolutely.

Should we withhold technology because some humans do stupid things?

Absolutely not.

The evolution of mankind has lost a good 80 to 100 years because of technology suppression.  We're still using rockets, and building giant particle accelerators to smash atoms together.

I am in complete agreement on this.
   
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  I agree with Grumpy also, and I appreciate the question  raised.   O0

  Something in me says, release the kraken-idea of FE through the PROPER channels, those that truly promote LIBERTY as opposed to tyranny.

So the question for me becomes - what are the PROPER channels, those that truly promote LIBERTY?
   

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  I agree with Grumpy also, and I appreciate the question  raised.   O0

  Something in me says, release the kraken-idea of FE through the PROPER channels, those that truly promote LIBERTY as opposed to tyranny.

So the question for me becomes - what are the PROPER channels, those that truly promote LIBERTY?

The proper channels are "everyone on earth"; good and bad, rich and poor, governments and individuals.

   
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Just like the sun shines ... and the wind blows etc etc !

We inhabit an open source planet
It works if we give it a chance ... or find a million reasons to
Continue to abuse it!

However being a good steward of our planet should go hand in
Hand with being a good steward of FE ... and yes insuring it gets full
Access and out to the world !





   

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Look st the weather in Texas right now.
5 million people without electricity in the US, over 4 Million in Texas alone.
This is just the beginning. 

Alternative sources of energy that do not require fuel will buy humanity time to evolve a little more and open our minds to the truth.  Some of you can move off-planet and settle other worlds and moons.

you have been deliberately technologically handicapped for over 100 years.  You should be exploring space, we should have cleaned up the garbage on our planet, you should be a much better species than you are now.  Instead you are like children.

This will be shared with everyone on the planet, this year, one way or another.
   

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Perhaps we should be wondering why the Wind Generators in Europe and Texas froze up.

There is an Engineering Solution for every "problem" no matter how "extreme."

Is this an example of a "desired" event which could easily have been prevented?

Technical Decisions are often made by Agenda Driven Managers and Executives.

Cui Bono?  Who benefits?

Think about it...

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...we should have cleaned up the garbage on our planet...

And one day it shall be "cleaned up."

The Problem is that presently those responsible for the Garbage are not being held accountable or responsible.

The Present System of Big Money Government has effectively made the Common Folk powerless.

The Common Folk who are properly educated and responsible do all that they are able to minimize garbage and pollution in their small way.

They, unfortunately, are vastly overridden by Big Money Corporations whose only interest is the Bottom Line of Profit.

Once Evil is eliminated from Our Planet and the Good People are freed to do what is Right, then Our Planet will truly Flourish.

Evil Big Money is Destroying Our Planet.



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Should a free energy device be released to the public?

Absolutely.

Will humans abuse the technology?

Absolutely.

Should we withhold technology because some humans do stupid things?

Absolutely not.

The evolution of mankind has lost a good 80 to 100 years because of technology suppression.  We're still using rockets, and building giant particle accelerators to smash atoms together.
Agreed. We constantly do stupid things. The high cost of energy stifles progress and keeps the boot of those that benefit firmly on the head of the rest of us.
   

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Look st the weather in Texas right now.
5 million people without electricity in the US, over 4 Million in Texas alone.
This is just the beginning. 

Alternative sources of energy that do not require fuel will buy humanity time to evolve a little more and open our minds to the truth.  Some of you can move off-planet and settle other worlds and moons.

you have been deliberately technologically handicapped for over 100 years.  You should be exploring space, we should have cleaned up the garbage on our planet, you should be a much better species than you are now.  Instead you are like children.

This will be shared with everyone on the planet, this year, one way or another.
Grand Solar Minimum. The cold was predicted 30 years ago. Our energy costs down here are out of control as we will not build any more coal stations. It is the renewable sector that would try to crush a device like this now.
   

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Grand Solar Minimum. The cold was predicted 30 years ago. Our energy costs down here are out of control as we will not build any more coal stations. It is the renewable sector that would try to crush a device like this now.

Renewables like wind and solar have there place, but what happens when a storm hits and takes out your local power grid?

What? You didn't opt for the battery package with those solar panels?

Renewables are not getting you off this planet and out into space either.

At the rate things are going, billions will freeze, and billions will starve in a few decades.  If sharing technology buys mankind 50 or 100 years, that a lifetime more than they would have had.  A lifetime to make better decisions to help earth and their fellow man.  If it saves one person, one city, or one country, then the effort is not in vain.

   
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When push comes to shove, the governments do not have your back. Absolutely we need to do something ourselves, if for no other reason, than our own safety and for our families.

All of the rosy "safety nets" society puts in place can disappear in an instant when shit goes south.
   
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When push comes to shove, the governments do not have your back. Absolutely we need to do something ourselves, if for no other reason, than our own safety and for our families.

All of the rosy "safety nets" society puts in place can disappear in an instant when shit goes south.

Good topic, welcome...

I agree and disagree.

However if there should be no safety net and we should all fend for ourselves then why should I help you when I am your safety net?. I am the person who lives and breathes learning and advancing my knowledge of technology. How many hours of research do you do in a week?, conservatively speaking I do more than twice my full time job at 40 hours. I have found the best time to do research is from around 1am to 5am and 7pm to 11pm for reasons I cannot yet explain.

My point is that when you judge others as somehow deficient obviously I can judge you by the same kind of reasoning. Who are you to judge them when I know so much more than you and what I do not know others infinitely more intelligent than myself would judge me by the same standard... do you see the problem?.

Let's break this down further...
You presume these people are helpless by the same reasoning I presume you are helpless because you presume to know more than them as I know more than you. So following your line of reason I should judge you by the same standards you judge them... you do see where this is going don't you?.

Thus throughout the history of mankind men of great wisdom, thousands of years ago said something to the effect that...
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you"
This is true wisdom...

Do you understand?, as you see them I see you, as others I do not know see me...

Maybe you could explain your perspective to me, I know how free energy works in many forms and where the energy comes from. You explain to me why I should help you when you judge so many others as somehow helpless or deficient.

Do you understand?, you have the attention of someone who knows everything everyone here wants to know and your justification may or may not decide whether I release free energy technology or not... give me a sincere reason I should believe you?. Not the bs propaganda others peddle, man to to man, you tell me...

Regards
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Good topic, welcome...

I agree and disagree.

However if there should be no safety net and we should all fend for ourselves then why should I help you when I am your safety net?. I am the person who lives and breathes learning and advancing my knowledge of technology. How many hours of research do you do in a week?, conservatively speaking I do more than twice my full time job at 40 hours. I have found the best time to do research is from around 1am to 5am and 7pm to 11pm for reasons I cannot yet explain.

My point is that when you judge others as somehow deficient obviously I can judge you by the same kind of reasoning. Who are you to judge them when I know so much more than you and what I do not know others infinitely more intelligent than myself would judge me by the same standard... do you see the problem?.

Let's break this down further...
You presume these people are helpless by the same reasoning I presume you are helpless because you presume to know more than them as I know more than you. So following your line of reason I should judge you by the same standards you judge them... you do see where this is going don't you?.

Thus throughout the history of mankind men of great wisdom, thousands of years ago said something to the effect that...
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you"
This is true wisdom...

Do you understand?, as you see them I see you, as others I do not know see me...

Maybe you could explain your perspective to me, I know how free energy works in many forms and where the energy comes from. You explain to me why I should help you when you judge so many others as somehow helpless or deficient.

Do you understand?, you have the attention of someone who knows everything everyone here wants to know and your justification may or may not decide whether I release free energy technology or not... give me a sincere reason I should believe you?. Not the bs propaganda others peddle, man to to man, you tell me...

Regards
AC

I'm not entirely following all of the post but I'll try to respond appropriately.

To your question "do you understand?". No, I have no idea where you got it in your head that I was judging anybody, or presuming anything about them. Very strange to post several paragraphs about me judging others when the post said nothing of the sort. Are you projecting or just seeing words where there are none? Do you need someone to give you an iron clad reason to help others with your technology that you have developed? Or do you want to explain to God when you arrive on the other side, "Yes, I had the means to help the world advance, but did nothing."

If your justification to release this information hinges on what I say to justify it, then all I have to say is "what are you waiting for". Seriously, what are you waiting for? Are you afraid of death or injury for you or your loved ones? Missing out on money? Do you feel the world is not ready? Not sure the best way to do it? Either you release it or I will. It's just a matter of time. It's up to you.

Events like the post above should tell you that you need to prepare for this, otherwise it may happen to you. It shows that the people you trust to keep you safe can and will leave you out to dry. It doesn't have to be this way.

Suppose everyone had some form of free energy device that provided enough energy to heat their homes and such an event happened. Other than their lack of snow plows, everyone's home is still heated, the lights are still on, there is no 2 mile line at the burger king because it's the only one working in the area. Virtually no interruption. No one is helpless to the whims of a grid controller anymore. They decide how much power they generate, how many backups they need, etc. The common person is in control and will always have the basics for survival.

It's hard to fathom just how radically having a source of energy that everyone can just use at a whim would change things. Indoor food production becomes easy. Anyone can grow their own food with a small setup indoors and become at least partially self-sufficient. You no longer care about what is happening in another oil producing country because you don't need it anymore. The plastics company might care, but with demand so low, they could buy oil at a tiny fraction of the current cost. You no longer care about a monthly utility bill, which can be a big deal for families around my area. You could literally suck the water from the atmosphere in dry climates, or pump the water from hundreds of miles away. The power is free. There is no recurring cost. The impractical becomes trivial. The lives of billions would be improved and their standard of living would increase with it.

Look at the inventors who have taken their secret to their grave. What impact did they have on their fellow man? Their technology died with them. The allure of money and protecting their invention might be the biggest hurdle to overcome, followed by suppression by vested interests.

I've made up my mind after going back and forth on this issue. I'm not going to try to make any money off of whatever I end up successfully replicating. I'm going to try my hardest to get it out to as many people as possible.

Sorry for the long post. I hope you all have a good day.
   
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Well said, bte!   O0

"Look at the inventors who have taken their secret to their grave. What impact did they have on their fellow man? Their technology died with them. The allure of money and protecting their invention might be the biggest hurdle to overcome, followed by suppression by vested interests.

I've made up my mind after going back and forth on this issue. I'm not going to try to make any money off of whatever I end up successfully replicating. I'm going to try my hardest to get it out to as many people as possible."
   

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Awesome post bte  and well articulated.  Couldn’t agree more.  O0 O0
   
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I'm not going to try to make any money off of whatever I end up successfully replicating. I'm going to try my hardest to get it out to as many people as possible.


Open sourcing can do this and earn you a good return. Mark Shuttleworth got a trip to the Space Station on the back of Ubuntu Linux.
   

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Buy me some coffee
It will happen,but you need to ask and be able to answer this question with absolute certainty-->
What will be the outcome of such a device being released into the world ?

What will the war machines of the world use this unlimited power source for?
Will the energy cartels just lay down and die?
Will your government allow such a device to make it to market?

Do you really think that the powers that be in the above listed are simply going to say--ok,you can all have access to this unlimited free energy.

Do you understand the impact that this would have on the worlds finances ?

No more coal required
No more natural gas required
No more gasoline or diesel needed.

The two biggest industries in my country are coal and gas,which accounts for tens of thousands of jobs,and our countries main export dollars.

In this case,our country would go broke.
So do you really believe that they (the big guns) would just let this happen?.

Building the machine !!will!! be easy.
Delivering that machine to the world with total acceptance will be almost impossible.


Brad


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When push comes to shove, the governments do not have your back. Absolutely we need to do something ourselves, if for no other reason, than our own safety and for our families.

All of the rosy "safety nets" society puts in place can disappear in an instant when shit goes south.

I hate to say it, but has has a few good points.  People should do as much as they can for themselves.

This is more proof that people need a kick start to wake them up.
   

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Maybe you could explain your perspective to me, I know how free energy works in many forms and where the energy comes from. You explain to me why I should help you when you judge so many others as somehow helpless or deficient.

Do you understand?, you have the attention of someone who knows everything everyone here wants to know and your justification may or may not decide whether I release free energy technology or not... give me a sincere reason I should believe you?. Not the bs propaganda others peddle, man to to man, you tell me...

Regards
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Let me get this straight.  AC claims over and over that he knows "how free energy works in many forms and where the energy comes from", but where are the instructions, the explanation, the schematic and diagrams, the devices?

You berate bte as if he claimed he knows everything, when he only expressed a desire to replicate the tetra device from Spherics, when you just stated that you know everything about free energy.

what's the word for this?  Hypocritical?


noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies
    the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

All people can be judged by their actions, and the Mayor, Tim Boyd, lacks compassion, but he has a valid point.  He doesn't seem to agree that some people cannot help themselves, and the duty of a leader is to help all who need it.

No one is asking you to believe anything.  As a self-proclaimed expert in free energy, you should be able to readily recognize that the tetra device is valid and be able to explain how it works.

So, as you said:
Do you understand, AC?, you, AC, have the attention of someone who knows everything everyone here wants to know and your justification may or may not decide whether I release free energy technology or not... give me a sincere reason I should believe you?. Not the bs propaganda others peddle, man to to man, you tell me AC...
   

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I've made up my mind after going back and forth on this issue. I'm not going to try to make any money off of whatever I end up successfully replicating. I'm going to try my hardest to get it out to as many people as possible.

This is the way!

   
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It will happen,but you need to ask and be able to answer this question with absolute certainty-->
What will be the outcome of such a device being released into the world ?



This question cannot be answered.


(By the way, I am still waiting for your reference to the fact that the a/c hijacked on 9/11 would need to have been flown with a level of skill not in existence).
   
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It will happen,but you need to ask and be able to answer this question with absolute certainty-->
What will be the outcome of such a device being released into the world ?

What will the war machines of the world use this unlimited power source for?
Will the energy cartels just lay down and die?
Will your government allow such a device to make it to market?

Do you really think that the powers that be in the above listed are simply going to say--ok,you can all have access to this unlimited free energy.

Do you understand the impact that this would have on the worlds finances ?

No more coal required
No more natural gas required
No more gasoline or diesel needed.

The two biggest industries in my country are coal and gas,which accounts for tens of thousands of jobs,and our countries main export dollars.

In this case,our country would go broke.
So do you really believe that they (the big guns) would just let this happen?.

Building the machine !!will!! be easy.
Delivering that machine to the world with total acceptance will be almost impossible.


Brad

Interesting thoughts, Brad - thank you.  Please consider:

1 - There is a large "populist pro-Liberty" movement ATM, and it appears to be world-wide given the protests against Lockdowns and removal of civil rights.

2 - In addition, there are countries like Japan where the demand for energy is high yet oil & gas are largely coming from outside sources.  Japanese would strongly welcome a new FE source, I'm quite certain of that!  Note for example, the support of Japanese companies and government for LENR research - they lead the world!  LENR may precede any FE device, as things are going presently.  And the Japanese are not alone. 

3 - Texas has its own electrical grid, and is suffering right now because they rely for approximately 25% of their energy from windmills - and these windmills are frozen, shut down.  They are in URGENT need of a new energy source, now, and populism (the Liberty movement) is very strong in Texas.  It is interesting to contemplate what would happen if a NEW energy source (FE or LENR) emerged this year in Texas.

4 - Several options for a new energy source are on the horizon and once ONE of these emerges, the dam breaks and several will spring free, I believe, to liberate the people and energize the populist movement.

5- I believe that a new energy source emerging soon, is inevitable - and cannot be stopped by even BigTech or BigOil.  Oh sure, they will try to steal it - but it is time for "we the people" (i.e. Populists) to rise up and seize our destiny.  A novel energy source, whether FE or LENR, will pave the way, I believe, will be unstoppable.

6 - The real question is, WILL WE participate in the Freedom Energy revolution?  or will we wait for the Japanese or Texans to do it?

7-  I also believe that the inventor of a Freedom Energy source can receive a sizeable income by selling devices or royalties, and how-to information and seminars...  A very sizeable income, while benefitting humanity at the same time.  These are not mutually exclusive.
   
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5- I believe that a new energy source emerging soon, is inevitable - and cannot be stopped by even BigTech or BigOil.  Oh sure, they will try to steal it - but it is time for "we the people" (i.e. Populists) to rise up and seize our destiny.  A novel energy source, whether FE or LENR, will pave the way, I believe, will be unstoppable.


Yes. but bringing the debate down to a rather pedestrian level for just a moment, if residents were to be given a decent feed-in tariff for energy generated by a simple home wind turbine or pv panel, then great progress could be made now. (Right now, Feb 17th, there are a lot of people in Texas would would agree). The new adminstration has new cabinet members. They should be prevailed upon since they may be looking for new ideas to get busy with.
   

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It will happen,but you need to ask and be able to answer this question with absolute certainty-->
What will be the outcome of such a device being released into the world ?

What will the war machines of the world use this unlimited power source for?
Will the energy cartels just lay down and die?
Will your government allow such a device to make it to market?

Do you really think that the powers that be in the above listed are simply going to say--ok,you can all have access to this unlimited free energy.

Do you understand the impact that this would have on the worlds finances ?

No more coal required
No more natural gas required
No more gasoline or diesel needed.

The two biggest industries in my country are coal and gas,which accounts for tens of thousands of jobs,and our countries main export dollars.

In this case,our country would go broke.
So do you really believe that they (the big guns) would just let this happen?.

Building the machine !!will!! be easy.
Delivering that machine to the world with total acceptance will be almost impossible.


Brad

It will happen,but you need to ask and be able to answer this question with absolute certainty-->
What will be the outcome of such a device being released into the world ?

What will the war machines of the world use this unlimited power source for?

US and Russia already have this technology, and machines that use it.  If other countries want to get stupid, go ahead.

Will the energy cartels just lay down and die?
They are already losing favor due to "climate change" and damage to ecosystems, as well as the shortcomings of fuels sources.

Will your government allow such a device to make it to market?
When the whole world knows, who can stop it?  they can try to discredit it if there is not sufficient proof.  They are already decades ahead of anyone else.

Do you really think that the powers that be in the above listed are simply going to say--ok,you can all have access to this unlimited free energy.
Sidestep their "say".

Do you understand the impact that this would have on the worlds finances ?
There re winners and losers in finance every day.  Countries go broke, get bailed out be central banks.  Also, putting it out is one thing, people using it is another.  People; individuals, companies, countries that will actually use it should have priority.

No more coal required
No more natural gas required
No more gasoline or diesel needed.

Eventually, but not for many years.  It take a long time to switch over, look how long solar took to get a good portion of the grid.

The two biggest industries in my country are coal and gas,which accounts for tens of thousands of jobs,and our countries main export dollars.
With the sudden knowledge of free energy (so-called), will come an explosion of research and development.  Miners will move from coal to steel, copper, silver, titanium, etc.  We have space ships and energy generators to build.  Being easier that most think, many more can do it.  It will be a technological renascence.
 
In this case,our country would go broke.
So do you really believe that they (the big guns) would just let this happen?.

No one is asking for permission to share a natural phenomenon.  Besides, it's not governments I'm worried about or corporations, its the selfish aliens that want to enslave everyone. They are the real problem.

Building the machine !!will!! be easy.
Delivering that machine to the world with total acceptance will be almost impossible.

"Almost impossible" implies that it is possible.

   
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