The TPU: Was It Real ?

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Centraflow

Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #525 on: 2025-02-24, 18:09:44 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2025-02-24, 10:12:10

So you've got two plates of a capacitor (which are coils B & C1) with a solenoid wound such that a magnetic field can be created inbetween the plates. A changing magnetic field has a changing electric field perpendicular to the magnetic field.

It is known that when you charge or discharge a capacitor a magnetic field is created. If you invert this, then it stands to reason that creating a magnetic field inbetween the plates of a capacitor will charge the capacitor.

Only when charging, not discharging, a magnetic field is created.

You charge it slowly and then short it.

Mike

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Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #526 on: 2025-02-24, 18:16:54 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-02-24, 17:08:39 Your second situation is not symmetrical to the first. When you charge a capacitor, its circuit is looped back. Under the effect of an electric field, charges can move and charge the capacitor. The movement of the charges is accompanied by the magnetic field. If you use a magnetic field and the capacitor is in a closed circuit, the capacitor will charge (but also discharge with each alternation). This is the symmetrical case of the previous one. But if the capacitor's circuit is open, obviously the number of charges on each plate can't change, so the capacitor won't charge. There's no reason for it to charge. The electric field between the plates when the capacitor is charging, can be seen as a straight wire with current going through it, but only when charging. So you charge slowly and short it (discharge rapidly). All this is done through cycling in time. The field will extend between the plates and revolve around the length of the coiled capacitor, like a cork screw. The coil is no longer a coil, it has next to no inductance, it is a bifilar plate capacitor. Mike « Last Edit: 2025-02-25, 19:14:55 by Centraflow » --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

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Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #527 on: 2025-02-25, 15:27:12 »

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Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-24, 18:16:54

The electric field between the plates when the capacitor is charging, can be seen as a straight wire with current going through it, but only when charging. So you charge slowly and short it (discharge rapidly). All this is done through cycling in time.

Charges follow the electric field only in a conductor. If the circuit is looped, they move.
If the circuit is open, you have two conductors: the two "plates".
Charge displacement under the electric field is a short rearrangement of charges in each "plate". The displacement is cancelled by the attraction of electrons to the positive zones created by their absence where they came from. The electric field is cancelled by the new configuration. No electrons have been removed from one plate or added to the other. The charges Q+ and Q- on each plate remain equal, only the electronic distribution in each plate has changed. We have therefore no potential difference between the two. The capacitor is not charged.

A capacitor can only be charged by removing charges from one plate and putting them on the other, so a circuit is needed from one to the other to move them.

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Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #528 on: 2025-02-25, 16:59:57 »

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Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-02-25, 15:27:12

Charges follow the electric field only in a conductor. If the circuit is looped, they move.
If the circuit is open, you have two conductors: the two "plates".
Charge displacement under the electric field is a short rearrangement of charges in each "plate". The displacement is cancelled by the attraction of electrons to the positive zones created by their absence where they came from. The electric field is cancelled by the new configuration. No electrons have been removed from one plate or added to the other. The charges Q+ and Q- on each plate remain equal, only the electronic distribution in each plate has changed. We have therefore no potential difference between the two. The capacitor is not charged.

A capacitor can only be charged by removing charges from one plate and putting them on the other, so a circuit is needed from one to the other to move them.

hey f6

so you dont believe electrons are being depleted from the pos plate and extra electrons pumped in to the neg plate when charging?

mags

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #529 on: 2025-02-25, 19:12:05 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-02-25, 15:27:12 Charges follow the electric field only in a conductor. If the circuit is looped, they move. If the circuit is open, you have two conductors: the two "plates". Charge displacement under the electric field is a short rearrangement of charges in each "plate". The displacement is cancelled by the attraction of electrons to the positive zones created by their absence where they came from. The electric field is cancelled by the new configuration. No electrons have been removed from one plate or added to the other. The charges Q+ and Q- on each plate remain equal, only the electronic distribution in each plate has changed. We have therefore no potential difference between the two. The capacitor is not charged. A capacitor can only be charged by removing charges from one plate and putting them on the other, so a circuit is needed from one to the other to move them. Of course you need a circuit, how on earth do you think I am charging the capacitor! The point is that as the capacitor charges, the electric field between the plates can be thought of as a straight wire and the right hand rule applies for the magnetic field created. I have high lighted post 526 --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

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Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #530 on: 2025-02-25, 22:51:14 »

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Quote from: Magluvin on 2025-02-25, 16:59:57

so you dont believe electrons are being depleted from the pos plate and extra electrons pumped in to the neg plate when charging?

Through the space between the plates or through the circuit external to the capacitor ?

Magluvin	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #531 on: 2025-02-26, 07:26:41 »
Group: Mad Scientist Hero Member Posts: 675	Quote from: verpies on 2025-02-25, 22:51:14 Through the space between the plates or through the circuit external to the capacitor ? hey verp external circuit i wrote something today that may be nothing, but maybe not... might interest you. https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4757.msg114906#msg114906 mags

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #532 on: 2025-02-26, 08:37:46 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	A charging capacitor has a time varying electric field between the two plates, it is here that a curling magnetic field is created. This is the back bone of electromagnetic waves in radio. Knowone has thought of using this in a spiral capacitor formed by 2 plates wound like a bifilar coil "bifilar capacitor". To maintain the field you charge slowly and abruptly discharge in a continual cycle. This will create a cork screw magnetic field, and if this is placed inside a solenoid coil magnetic field, the result will be a thrust field in the direction of the solenoids magnetic field. If you could look at the ends it would look like a turbine or water going down you sink waste. Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #533 on: 2025-02-26, 10:04:06 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-02-25, 15:27:12 Charges follow the electric field only in a conductor. If the circuit is looped, they move. If the circuit is open, you have two conductors: the two "plates". Charge displacement under the electric field is a short rearrangement of charges in each "plate". The displacement is cancelled by the attraction of electrons to the positive zones created by their absence where they came from. The electric field is cancelled by the new configuration. No electrons have been removed from one plate or added to the other. The charges Q+ and Q- on each plate remain equal, only the electronic distribution in each plate has changed. We have therefore no potential difference between the two. The capacitor is not charged. A capacitor can only be charged by removing charges from one plate and putting them on the other, so a circuit is needed from one to the other to move them. https://msuperl.org/wikis/pcubed/doku.php?id=184_notes:examples:week14_b_field_capacitor#:~:text=We%20know%20from%20the%20notes,create%20a%20curly%20magnetic%20field. Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #534 on: 2025-02-26, 10:44:16 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Now to answer the question of, where does the energy come from "OU" in the TPU. Well it is not really "OU", energy comes from the enviorment in the form of the Earth's magnetic field. The original one toroidal units would only work in one plane, why you may ask! If in the correct aligment with the Earth field N to toroid S and Toroid N to Earth S then it will work, flip the toroid over and it will stop. Top and bottom "dual toroid" will work in any plane, look at the attached diagram. The Earth's fields are pulled in and spun around at supper velocity and spat out to continue on there way to the Earth's other pole. This is equal to a small magnetic field moving at infinite speed across a wire. A new way of induction has been created, and STEAP was born. Because of the high angular velocity created, heat is generated at the same time as infinite current within collecting wires. Cooling has to be provided for extended running. All this has been done and working. Mike ------------------------ The TPU: Was It Real ? Magnetic fields in STEAP.png (9.89 kB, 1524x868 - viewed 332 times.) « Last Edit: 2025-02-26, 14:55:25 by Centraflow » --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

F6FLT	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #535 on: 2025-02-27, 10:37:47 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2148	Quote from: Magluvin on 2025-02-25, 16:59:57 hey f6 so you dont believe electrons are being depleted from the pos plate and extra electrons pumped in to the neg plate when charging? mags I don't believe it. I know it. It's just electromagnetism, known for over a century and a half. Maybe you haven't grasped the context: the absence of a conductive circuit. Read it again. Or do you believe in the teleportation of electrons? Would an electron disappear from one plate and magically reappear on the other? Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-25, 19:12:05 Of course you need a circuit, how on earth do you think I am charging the capacitor! ... A circuit is closed on itself, otherwise it's no longer a circuit. Yours doesn't seem to be closed, in which case it wouldn't be a circuit. Or maybe you'd like to present us a schematic diagram showing the circuit, so that it's clear to those familiar with the field. Quote Now to answer the question of, where does the energy come from "OU" in the TPU. ... This question is premature. A theory is meant to explain facts, not allegations. The facts are absent, and the alleged ones are non-reproducible. Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-26, 10:04:06 https://msuperl.org/wikis/pcubed/doku.php?id=184_notes:examples:week14_b_field_capacitor#:~:text=We%20know%20from%20the%20notes,create%20a%20curly%20magnetic%20field. ... That doesn't answer any of my objections. Can you comment on your understanding? --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #536 on: 2025-02-27, 12:22:12 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	I did not supply a circuit, not really needed to show how a curl magnetic field is created in a capacitor when CHARGING, or do you want me to show a battery across the cap!! come on be real and not a p**t. The charging and shorting comes from an external circuit, as does the pulsing of the over wound solenoid coil which forms the other magnetic field, which is perpendicular to the capacitor field. See the attached, collecting coil not shown, but it is another solenoid where the pulse field is inside. Mike ------------------------ The TPU: Was It Real ? Pulse field of STEAP © 2025 M.J.Nunnerley.png (29.4 kB, 1524x868 - viewed 253 times.) --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #537 on: 2025-02-27, 12:40:45 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	This is compared to a pulse jet, but here air is not pulled in, it is a magnetic field that is pulled in. If you look at the thrust output of a jet engine when at power up you can see what it is like. Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #538 on: 2025-02-27, 17:35:20 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Jet engine pulses Mike ------------------------ The TPU: Was It Real ? Jet engine pulses.png (62.8 kB, 1524x868 - viewed 206 times.) --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

F6FLT	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #539 on: 2025-02-27, 18:49:06 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2148	In science and technology, analogies are misleading or useless, and I still don't see a circuit. If engineering uses schematics or physics uses maths, there's a good reason. Using the language of the field would help everyone understand what you're talking about, and probably clarify your own ideas too. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

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Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #540 on: 2025-02-27, 19:15:03 »

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Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-02-27, 18:49:06

In science and technology, analogies are misleading or useless, and I still don't see a circuit.
If engineering uses schematics or physics uses maths, there's a good reason. Using the language of the field would help everyone understand what you're talking about, and probably clarify your own ideas too.

Agree, a simple experiment to conduct would speak a thousand words.

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #541 on: 2025-02-28, 10:39:40 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-02-27, 18:49:06 In science and technology, analogies are misleading or useless, and I still don't see a circuit. If engineering uses schematics or physics uses maths, there's a good reason. Using the language of the field would help everyone understand what you're talking about, and probably clarify your own ideas too. You know what a B and E field is, you know the electric field and the magnetic field are at 90 degrees to one another, you know the magnetic field through a solenoid, you may or not it seems, the magnetic field inside a capacitor when Charging, so just don't try being smarter than anyone on an open thread, you are not as smart as you may think or you would understand what I have drawn and said. I will leave it to you, I am finished explaining, I have better things to do at my age. Go on pumping and using gas and oil, I am giving you an opportunity to stop doing that. --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information. --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #542 on: 2025-02-28, 11:03:08 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Quote from: bte on 2025-02-27, 19:15:03 Agree, a simple experiment to conduct would speak a thousand words. Wind a bifilar air coil, 1", 28mm dia with a twin wire, such as speaker cable, 12" long or 300mm. Place a small compass next to the side of the coil. Connect the coil as a capacitor only connect in series with a 20uF non polarised cap, speaker cross over cap is good. Charge with 300v DC or so and watch the compass when charging. Short through a 10 ohm 5w resistor and repeat. Using two N mosfets such as IRF840 along with a flip flop or johnson counter clocked at say 10kHz should do the trick. You can change the frequency as needed. You should see the needle deflection or (spin depending of the frequency), that is the emergent magnetic field between the plates ( turns of the coil )which only happens when charging. Not complicated, you just have to think about it! --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

F6FLT	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #543 on: 2025-02-28, 14:25:19 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2148	Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-28, 10:39:40 You know what a B and E field is, you know the electric field and the magnetic field are at 90 degrees to one another, you know the magnetic field through a solenoid, you may or not it seems, the magnetic field inside a capacitor when Charging, so just don't try being smarter than anyone on an open thread, you are not as smart as you may think or you would understand what I have drawn and said. I will leave it to you, I am finished explaining, I have better things to do at my age. ... You don't explain anything, you just repeat the same platitudes over and over again without ever responding to objections. An electric or magnetic field isn't enough to charge a capacitor, you need a circuit from one plate to the other one. At no point do you show us this circuit, and without it, the capacitor can't charge. If you don't understand why, review the basics of electromagnetism, and if you don't know what to say to the objections made to you, at least try to understand them rather than denigrate your correspondents. Giving lessons to others as a self-proclaimed teacher of free energy or esotericism, based on childish analogies or irrelevant assertions, is not the purpose of this forum. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

F6FLT	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #544 on: 2025-02-28, 14:44:25 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2148	Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-28, 11:03:08 Wind a bifilar air coil, 1", 28mm dia with a twin wire, such as speaker cable, 12" long or 300mm. Place a small compass next to the side of the coil. Connect the coil as a capacitor only connect in series with a 20uF non polarised cap, speaker cross over cap is good. Charge with 300v DC or so and watch the compass when charging. Short through a 10 ohm 5w resistor and repeat. Using two N mosfets such as IRF840 along with a flip flop or johnson counter clocked at say 10kHz should do the trick. You can change the frequency as needed. You should see the needle deflection or (spin depending of the frequency), that is the emergent magnetic field between the plates ( turns of the coil )which only happens when charging. Not complicated, you just have to think about it! The coil is bifilar, so there are 4 connection points. A capacitor has only two, but you don't say how to connect it. Nor do you say which points are to be used for the “Short through a 10 ohm 5w”. Do you want us to play guessing games, or do you think you can communicate to others what's in your head without using a suitable language, like that of engineers who have learned to create schematics? Quote from: bte on 2025-02-27, 19:15:03 Agree, a simple experiment to conduct would speak a thousand words. This is true , but only among technicians and engineers, whose few words have an operational meaning that can describe an experiment. Here we see that this is not the case, and so even better than words, a diagram is required. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

bte	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #545 on: 2025-02-28, 15:53:54 »
Sr. Member Posts: 308	Best guess as to diagram. C1 20uf ------------------------ The TPU: Was It Real ? 20250228_105306.jpg (1829.61 kB, 4000x3000 - viewed 157 times.)

F6FLT	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #546 on: 2025-02-28, 16:42:33 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2148	I wasn't thinking of such a simple circuit, from Centralflow, because here everything is so well known and without mystery. So we do have a circuit in your diagram, which I've reproduced in mine in Nr 1. If that's right and the coil is carefully wound, with the two wires exactly parallel to each other, there will be no detectable magnetic field at the center of the coil, because the currents in the two wires are opposite. The other variants 2 to 4 are also compatible with the description. And there are many more. I hope we've made Centralflow aware of the need for diagrams when talking about science and technology, and that he'll provide us with one to analyze. ------------------------ The TPU: Was It Real ? bifilar-cap.png (424.55 kB, 1418x1091 - viewed 143 times.) --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Centraflow	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #547 on: 2025-02-28, 17:54:09 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	How pragmatic. as usual. So how do you turn 2 coils into a capacitor that has NEAR no inductance. Remember ALL capacitors have inductance. Now can you see how to turn a bifilar coil into a capacitor? and I'm not going to fall into your games. If you get to doing that then place the other capacitor in series. I will not post anymore here, after nearly 20yrs a member Peter please remove me from the forum. Adios. --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

bte	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #548 on: 2025-02-28, 19:12:03 »
Sr. Member Posts: 308	Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-28, 17:54:09 How pragmatic. as usual. So how do you turn 2 coils into a capacitor that has NEAR no inductance. Remember ALL capacitors have inductance. Now can you see how to turn a bifilar coil into a capacitor? and I'm not going to fall into your games. If you get to doing that then place the other capacitor in series. I will not post anymore here, after nearly 20yrs a member Peter please remove me from the forum. Adios. Ok?? No one forces you to login. Best luck

F6FLT	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #549 on: 2025-02-28, 20:04:26 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2148	Quote from: Centraflow on 2025-02-28, 17:54:09 How pragmatic. as usual. So how do you turn 2 coils into a capacitor that has NEAR no inductance. Remember ALL capacitors have inductance. Now can you see how to turn a bifilar coil into a capacitor? and I'm not going to fall into your games. If you get to doing that then place the other capacitor in series. I will not post anymore here, after nearly 20yrs a member Peter please remove me from the forum. Adios. I think it's the best thing for you to do. Come back when you've got some real material and you're ready to answer the objections of people who know what they're talking about. It's sure to be much more interesting for everyone. Presenting childish set-ups as brilliant ideas, in a blurred way so that you can show off about them without the risk of appearing incompetent, while evading questions, has nothing to do with the search for free energy. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"