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MileHigh	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #75 on: 2010-11-09, 17:56:52 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: ramset on 2010-11-09, 13:07:48 Cavitation Suddenly the possibilities seem so logical ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM Me thinks we''ll be learning an awful lot this winter ! Or summer depending on where you call home. Chet Chet: I am sorry, but I am going to be tough about that Witts clip "World's Most Efficient Overunity Water Heater" that you seem to be endorsing. This is a junk clip, and I really mean pure junk. Witts has no credibility with anybody, even on the free energy forums. That clip was faked all the way. I watched it a few years ago and groaned. They simply filled the metal sphere with very hot water before they started recording. Did you see them filling the sphere at the beginning of the clip with cool water, where the water passed over the presenter's fingers to prove that it was not excessively hot? Of course you didn't see that even though it would have been very easy to do. It's a pure scam, and every clip the sleazy Witts boys make is a pure scam. All of the talk in the clip about resonance to make water magically heat via a mysterious over unity phenomenon and whatnot is pure bullshit, an outright lie. You need to work on analyzing clips with a critical eye. You are not learning anything with that clip, you are unlearning. I noticed that someone did a response clip with some text comments overlayed on the video: "Sarcastic Re-post of 'The Over-Unity Water Heater'" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKgNjWzg4NM&feature=related I only glanced at the clip, so I am not sure what he says in his comments. MileHigh

MileHigh	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #76 on: 2010-11-09, 18:20:05 »
Group: Guest	I will just offer my two bits about cavitation. My comments have nothing to do with electrolysers at all. Cavitation means that you create sufficient negative pressure in water so that you pull it apart and overcome its self-stickiness. The cavity you create consists of low-temperature steam. Note that the boiling temperature of water decreases the lower you make the ambient air pressure. If the air pressure is zero and you are at 20 C, then the water instantly boils away. If you somehow create small cavitation bubbles that are perfect spheres then the ambient air pressure causes the cavitation bubbles to collapse. The moving water that is pushing in on a perfectly symmetrical collapsing bubble eventually all crashes together at the center point of the bubble. This causes a hydraulic-shock-type release of energy. Apparently in some cases this gives off light and creates a super-hot pin-point of matter that is hotter than the sun for a very very short amount of time. Any keeners out there would know that this hydraulic shock energy release event is identical to the spark you get from open-circuiting an electrical inductor. Anyway, these cavitation collapse events are all CoE processes in and of themselves. MileHigh

MileHigh	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #77 on: 2010-11-09, 23:51:36 »
Group: Guest	Chet: I'm banned from OU, so I will start a thread here somewhere. MileHigh

wattsup	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #78 on: 2010-11-10, 01:00:47 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	I agree with @MH on the NitWitts. As for Mookie's accelerator being due to cavitation, no way is it possible the way he is showing it. Cavitation, like our friendly little shrimp has shown us many times is accomplished by compressing and then releasing. There is no possible compression area in what he is showing. What Mookie is doing is simply vibrating the plates so gas bubbles get off the plate surfaces as fast as possible thus increasing available surface area over time at a given former gas saturation point. It is a good idea and can be very easily used in a car with the cars own vibration sources. --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

Farrah Day	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #79 on: 2010-11-10, 08:18:40 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: wattsup on 2010-11-10, 01:00:47 I agree with @MH on the NitWitts. As for Mookie's accelerator being due to cavitation, no way is it possible the way he is showing it. Cavitation, like our friendly little shrimp has shown us many times is accomplished by compressing and then releasing. There is no possible compression area in what he is showing. What Mookie is doing is simply vibrating the plates so gas bubbles get off the plate surfaces as fast as possible thus increasing available surface area over time at a given former gas saturation point. It is a good idea and can be very easily used in a car with the cars own vibration sources. I assume you have written this before reading through the whole thread. If you had read through the whole thread you may find that what you have just stated is not entirely logical. First off, if it were just a case of simply moving the evolving gases off the electrodes faster, then the current draw to the cell would rise considerably, as all this polarisation does is inhibit current flow. Furthermore, it would be a progressive process, but this does not seem to be the case. What I'm saying is that there is a certain threshold that has to be reached before the effect is evident. You also seem to be totally ignoring the fact that the electrode plates are carrying a current and so will react to the EM flux. I accept that this may not be your area of interest or expertise, but you really should read the whole thread and get up to speed before posting.

iquant	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #80 on: 2010-11-10, 12:49:09 »
Group: Guest	Farrah, Have a look at the following paper when you get some time. Ultrasonically-excited electrolysis Experiments at Energetics Technologies: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf Experimental results and discussion of 3 electrolysis cells with built in ultrasonic transmitters to induce cavitation in the electrolyte. A significant amount of excess heat was generated and a very large COP was obtained in several experiments. Largest excess power: 34 watts Largest excess energy: 3.5MJ Largest COP: 3000% Longest duration of excess heat in a single experiment: 40 days

Yaro	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #81 on: 2010-11-10, 16:53:54 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: iquant on 2010-11-10, 12:49:09 Experimental results and discussion of 3 electrolysis cells with built in ultrasonic transmitters to induce cavitation in the electrolyte. A significant amount of excess heat was generated and a very large COP was obtained in several experiments. Largest excess power: 34 watts Largest excess energy: 3.5MJ Largest COP: 3000% Longest duration of excess heat in a single experiment: 40 days They are are doing electrolysis with a palladium cathode and deuterium and producing a lot of heat, not hydrogen. Sounds to me like Cold Fusion but they are afraid to call it so.

iquant	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #82 on: 2010-11-10, 18:18:14 »
Group: Guest	Yaro, I have no idea as to the science behind the claims. Ultrasonic induced cavitation is the part that caught my eye as it appears to be on point for purposes of this thread. Do we need high power magnets to attract the ions or would a much lower power acoustic vibration accomplish the same. Just food for thought.

Chet K	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #83 on: 2010-11-10, 20:58:26 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Science and its findings on cavitation and SBSL [a brief summary]presented by Wilby! Very cool I might add! http://physics.open.ac.uk/~swebb/briefguide.htm Chet « Last Edit: 2010-11-10, 21:54:46 by ramset »

Allcanadian	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #84 on: 2010-11-11, 00:54:29 »
Hero Member Posts: 2735	@Farrahday Quote What I'm saying is that there is a certain threshold that has to be reached before the effect is evident. Now your talking my language In all my experiments without exception there is a fine boundary and either all the correct conditions are satisfied to perfection and and the process changes or they are not satisfied and you have normal operation, that is the way it works. Is it any wonder that so many have failed in everything they do when they make a half-assed attempt at best and then decide it cannot possibly work?, lol. I think success it about clarity and precision, it is about understanding what has to happen, why it has to happen and how it must happen in every excruciating detail and this understanding translates into reality. Somehow I have this feeling that if someone is going to pull this off it just might be you, best of luck. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Farrah Day	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #85 on: 2010-11-11, 08:12:01 »
Group: Guest	Thanks for that AC. At this stage I'm honestly unsure as to whether or not the bubbles in Mookie's viideo are simply pockets of water vapour that evolve due to the breaking of the water tension which is creating low pressure areas within the liquid, but it does seem rather odd that a certain threshold needs to be reached before this happens. Cavitation would certainly go someway to explaining a lot of past claims, but it still remains to be shown that the gases are hydrogen and oxygen or free radicals rather than just bubbles of water vapour. As you say the key would be getting everything right, and indeed the way the cell is constructed - the way the electrodes are mounted - would then play a more important role. This element of the design and build may also explain why it appears to have been so hit and miss in the past. I'm now close to a stage where I can start running some tests, and hence hopefully provide some more conclusive results.

iquant	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #86 on: 2010-11-11, 13:32:38 »
Group: Guest	Farrah, Checkout this youtube experimenter: fastimports3 http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3 He performs some interesting experiments which may be relevant to your experiments: Flame observation of Water Fuel Cell and Cold Fog Generator: http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3#p/u/10/togMTKLHOIg Check out sound pressure waves created by flame being introduced to Ultrasonic Transducer in operation: http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3#p/u/3/TPpx-zXRZBY Cold Fog Gen with Water Fuel Cell test: http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3#p/u/8/z8ck7ZerFJ4

Farrah Day	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #87 on: 2010-11-11, 14:15:53 »
Group: Guest	Iq I believe that a fogger (or mister) simply atomises water, hence what we are seeing is tiny droplets of liquid water. Any gas, even H2O would be invisible. Most of these you-tube videos are very unclear, and the people experimenting always seem to assume they know what is occurring, when in fact they offer no more than conjecture and wild speculation. More often than not, these people don't have the slightest clue about what they are saying or doing, or how to make measurements, so ultimately the videos are useless at best, misleading at worst. As per usual family commitments and time constraints tend to slow progress, but hopefully I'll have some concrete answers soon.

iquant	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #88 on: 2010-11-11, 14:47:28 »
Group: Guest	Farrah, What struck a chord with me from viewing the experiment videos a few times was the effect on the butane flame between: Steam and Cold Fog: The Steam / mister experiments would extinguish the butane torch but the ultrasonic transducer generated cold fog would grow the flame. about 3:00 into http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3#p/u/8/z8ck7ZerFJ4

Allcanadian	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #89 on: 2010-11-11, 15:32:53 »
Hero Member Posts: 2735	@FarrahDay Quote At this stage I'm honestly unsure as to whether or not the bubbles in Mookie's viideo are simply pockets of water vapour that evolve due to the breaking of the water tension which is creating low pressure areas within the liquid, but it does seem rather odd that a certain threshold needs to be reached before this happens. Cavitation would certainly go someway to explaining a lot of past claims, but it still remains to be shown that the gases are hydrogen and oxygen or free radicals rather than just bubbles of water vapour. I would agree, the only facts we have at the moment is the fact that we have none as such I have put a few other builds on hold and begun putting this device together as we speak. I seem to have this compulsive and somewhat childish need to build damn near everything I am uncertain about which keeps me on my toes I guess. Im not entirely sure cavitation is occuring here but we will know one way or another soon enough. Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Farrah Day	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #90 on: 2010-11-11, 16:28:31 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: iquant on 2010-11-11, 14:47:28 Farrah, What struck a chord with me from viewing the experiment videos a few times was the effect on the butane flame between: Steam and Cold Fog: The Steam / mister experiments would extinguish the butane torch but the ultrasonic transducer generated cold fog would grow the flame. about 3:00 into http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3#p/u/8/z8ck7ZerFJ4 I'm never quite sure what I'm supposed to be watching in these videos and quickly tire of trying to decipher them. Might as well reproduce the experiments myself and get a first hand take on things. « Last Edit: 2010-11-11, 19:49:20 by Farrah Day »

iquant	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #91 on: 2010-11-11, 18:26:19 »
Group: Guest	My SWAG theories are based on: Evidence that ultrasonically-induced microbubbles carry a negative electrical charge The abstract states they estimate the field to be about 7 × 105 V m−1 FastImports3 Discussion: http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1239.msg13146.html#msg13146 Claiming, if i interpret the discussion properly, "Stan Myers system had nothing to do with electrolysis... pure sound waves aka ultrasonic vibrations shreds the water. They didn't have ultrasonic transducers when Stan was doing research. He made his own for the job. " Think this is worth revisiting the saturated NaOH - H2 production but using ultrasonic agitation instead of magnetolysis? Based on previous discussions you always questioned where electrons would come from... Seems a plausible answer might be from the cavitating micro bubbles...

szaxx	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #92 on: 2010-11-11, 18:50:59 »
Sr. Member Posts: 276	Hi, I have an ultrasonic cleaner at present for repair. If this can be utilised I'd be happy to oblige in some way. If you have an experiment in mind then.... Its a 55 Watt sweep frequency unit, (ultrasweep M U, from L and R manufacturing NJ USA.) Once repaired it will need a functional test and after the obvious, an experiment shouldn't hurt, lol. Steve.

iquant	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #93 on: 2010-11-11, 19:22:53 »
Group: Guest	Szaxx, The experiment is fairly simple but be careful this is really caustic stuff... Use your ultrasonic cleaner to agitate a supersaturated solution of NaOH at a temp > 65.1C < 100C See if a sodium reaction generating H2 can be induced as theorized below: This is a cut--paste from one of Farrah's previous posts on a different forum: Closed Loop Electrolyzer: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5809-closed-loop-electrolyser-3.html ------------------------------------------------- Sodium metal is extremely reactive and under normal conditions relatively unstable. If we put a piece of sodium metal, (Na), in water it reacts violently, producing sodium hydroxide (lye) and hydrogen (and heat - it's an exothermic reaction). 2Na + 2H2O = 2NaOH + H2 While the hydrogen rises out of the solution, the sodium hydroxide produced will remain in the water forming ions 2Na+ and 2OH-. Now of course, because this seems to be unknown territory, the chemistry is somewhat unclear and very debatable, but consider this scenario. A head on collision between a sodium ion Na+ and a hydroxyl ion, OH-… what would happen? What if the energy of the collision was such that the sodium ion temporarily took the electron from the hydroxyl ion? Na+ + OH- = Na + H + O Or balanced in favour of molecular gases 2Na+ + 2OH- = 2Na + 2H + 2O In this scenario we now have highly reactive pure sodium metal in the water, which will instantly react with a water molecule to form sodium hydroxide and in doing so release more hydrogen. 2Na + 2H2O = 2NaOH + H2 The sodium will always remain in the solution, but the water content will gradually reduce as it is dissociated and evolves as gases. The process outlined above relies on the sodium ion collecting an electron from somewhere in order to become an atom. There are no electrodes from which to do this and we know anyway that H3O+ reacts ahead of Na+ in a normal electrolyser, so it would have to be taken from a –ve ion already within the solution. I don’t know if the reversible reaction above or indeed the chemistry has any merit in reality, but at least it provides one possible explanation. --------------------------------------------------- This all kind of evolved from this thread: The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.0

szaxx	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #94 on: 2010-11-11, 19:35:02 »
Sr. Member Posts: 276	Hi, I do have some NaOH crystals but not much. This is worth investigating, the chemistry you suggested would hardly explode in my face as the cavitation spheres would be very small im sure, but safety is always a worthwhile action, just incase..... lol. The unit has been immersed for some time in a solution and the board is a little, well missing, so I'll change all the relevant parts on its driver and output, then the experiment will begin soon. Steve.

Yaro	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #95 on: 2010-11-13, 03:17:50 »
Group: Guest	I got my EM today but do not have a variac. I get a variac next week then I start. Did any of you start yet?

Yaro	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #96 on: 2010-12-09, 20:30:17 »
Group: Guest	Here is my effort at replicating Mookie's experiment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E 12V, 6A. The electromagnet was set at 70V and it pulled 0.66 amps. I used six 4 inch pizza cutters I bought from The Dollar store. My observations: The higher the amp draw the better the production. I won't call it an avalanche. Accelerated production is a better term. The container wall has to be thin. I tried a 3/8 " thick Plexiglass and it did not work.

Chet K	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #97 on: 2010-12-10, 13:50:58 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Yaro We can not thank you enough for taking the time to share these experiment ! Excellent! Chet

Mookie	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #98 on: 2010-12-26, 04:47:02 »
Group: Guest	. In an electrically powered wire, current flow and magnetic field are coupled and inseperable. In an electrolysis cell circuit there is a "sweet spot" in which this coupling is vulnerable. That is the gap between the electrode plates. By applying a relatively stronger exernal magnetic field corresponding to the existing magnetic field in that gap one is able to accelerate the electron flow. That is the basis of my accelerator. What is conclusive about the laws governing electricity and magnetisim is that there is no free lunch. Alone or combined, permanent magnets, DC electromagnets, pulsed DC electromagnets, or DC electromagnets in other forms such as toroids or solenoids, require physical movement in order to affect electrical current. In the case of AC, physical movement is not required, but the effect comes at a higher cost in terms of input energy. This, at least, has been my experience and is what Grumpy speaks about elsewhere, in a different application, and quite correctly describes. ............................................. Farrah There remain several electromagnetic concepts/applications that I have yet to fully test in terms of creating acceleration solely using DC power (which was my original goal). There is no reason for me to believe that they will be successful, but I stilI plan on spending a portion of this year to that end. Some of my testing may inadvertantly run parallel to your planned specific experiments in the area of resonance. I will certainly share with you anything I find along that line, that I think would be of interest to you. ..I wont be posting for some time in the near future, as my leisure time is at a premium. Mookie .

Farrah Day	Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator « Reply #99 on: 2010-12-27, 14:14:55 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Mookie on 2010-12-26, 04:47:02 Some of my testing may inadvertantly run parallel to your planned specific experiments in the area of resonance. I will certainly share with you anything I find along that line, that I think would be of interest to you. ..I wont be posting for some time in the near future, as my leisure time is at a premium. Mookie Fair enough Mookie, but I do look forward to comparing notes in the near furture. It's simply too cold for me to experiment in a freezing greenhouse at present, so roll on the warmer weather. It's still your electron avalanche effect that does not sit right with me, as electrons are not the charge carriers in a liquid unless you create a high current plasma, which clearly you are not doing. Also, the magnetic fields of the EM and the current through the electrolyser will still interact whether or not the plates are physically moving. However, it seems to be the physical movement of your plates that is the important factor in your set up rather than simply magnetic field interactions. It will be nice if, sooner or later, we can determine exactly what the crucial factors are and thereby eliminate much of the speculation. All the best.

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