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Where did this happen?,as here in WA the hospitals were like ghost town's.
In fact,many of our health workers were told to take annual leave,or they were just laid off altogether.

Excess deaths say nothing at all.
For example,if we have a timber plank sitting on two legs(one either end),and we place 9 brick's on that plank,and the plank has a bow in it,but does not break,but then we place one more brick on it(the covid brick),and it does break,was the last brick the cause of the plank breaking?.

Now,those that seem to have this thinking that covid is what is killing everyone would say yes,the last brick was the cause of the plank breaking. But the smart people realize that if the other 9 bricks were not on the plank,then the plank would have very little bow in it,and the plank would definitely not break.

This means that no one dies from covid 19 alone-->the number is 0
A pandemic is a virus or such that alone kill's--like the plague,the black death.


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The bricks and planks analogy does not describe hospitalisation of people who suddenly can't breath.

Are you telling me that there was no medical emergenicies anywhere in the spring or thereabouts?

   

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The bricks and planks analogy does not describe hospitalisation of people who suddenly can't breath.

Are you telling me that there was no medical emergenicies anywhere in the spring or thereabouts?

I'm saying that there was a huge over reaction over a pandemic that never happened.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-hospital-staff-stood-down-beds-empty-in-unexpected-covid-19-lull-20200409-p54ip0.html

This is the real new's,and not the fake garbage you see on TV.
This is exactly as it was and is here in WA-->a pandemic that never happened.


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I'm saying that there was a huge over reaction over a pandemic that never happened.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-hospital-staff-stood-down-beds-empty-in-unexpected-covid-19-lull-20200409-p54ip0.html

This is the real new's,and not the fake garbage you see on TV.
This is exactly as it was and is here in WA-->a pandemic that never happened.


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As we have discussed, WA did exceptionally well. Try Victoria. What about New York?
   

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As we have discussed, WA did exceptionally well. Try Victoria. What about New York?

As i said before,Victoria had an idiot at the wheel-Dictator Dan.
While every other state had the armed forces take care of hotel quarantine,old dictator Dan employed a private security company take charge of hotel quarantine. These idiot's let infected quarantined people leave the hotel's,and head of down to places like fast food shop's to get a feed.
This is what happens when idiot's are in control.

I would say it was the same for New York--an idiot in charge.

Im not saying that Covid 19 is not real,im saying it is not as deadly as you are being led to believe.
As i have said before,more people die each year from diabetes,but we can all live with that.
Why no quick cure for diabetes like there is going to be for covid 19?.

Everyone has the right to make up there own mind. If you wish to take another vaccine,then take it.
I choose not to,nor do i choose to change the way i live for something i do not see as a pandemic.

Are you going to take the vaccine Paul ?.


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Im not saying that Covid 19 is not real,im saying it is not as deadly as you are being led to believe.

As i have said before,more people die each year from diabetes,but we can all live with that.


In the States, quarter of a million families will be having a lonelier Christmas this year, and many more than that will have friends with seriously damaged organs and "Long covid".

I suspect diabetes sufferers die reasonably uniformly over the year. The problem to the medical services happens when people die all at once, and this has happened across the world.

The problem to everyone happens when the health service is brought to a near halt. For the US, the worst may be ahead if leadership cannot be found.
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Diabetes is a poor example because one person cannot infect hundreds of people with it due to there own ignorance to the facts. Covid is highly infectious.

I agree with you that people have the right to make up there own mind based on there beliefs. By the same reasoning they can also do crystal meth and jump off of bridges. It's not our job to interfere in natural selection until there action harms others.

At which point there action becomes a crime because we can't have people running around knowingly harming others. You do understand that don't you?.

So you do have the freedom of choice but not to do harm as a result of your choice, that is criminal.

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Are you going to take the vaccine Paul ?.


I am somewhat conflicted.

I urged my mother to grab it as soon as she could. She is 93 and has had issues. She's a severe risk. But we both like to let our immune systems do the heavy lifting and this works out better than using tablets for anything at all, except emergencies like antibiotics for serious infections etc. I really want the antibody test to see if I have had it with very mild symptoms. I'm not sure what i'll say when I get the call.

You're right that often Covid is not serious but for those in certain catagories, it is as deadly as a bullet. And if these cases come on quick succession, and topples the health service, everyone is prejudiced.

What about you?

   
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I would say it was the same for New York--an idiot in charge.

Im not saying that Covid 19 is not real,im saying it is not as deadly as you are being led to believe.
As i have said before,more people die each year from diabetes,but we can all live with that.
Why no quick cure for diabetes like there is going to be for covid 19?.

Everyone has the right to make up there own mind. If you wish to take another vaccine,then take it.
I choose not to,nor do i choose to change the way i live for something i do not see as a pandemic.


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Agreed.

That story comes from here:
http://tapnewswire.com/2020/12/a-quick-glance-at-the-small-print-spells-danger/

Look at the front page; it is another inflammatory junk site. What your image article says is that there COULD be infertility in women for a duration not specified and not "vax infertility in women".

Since this is a Pfizer story, why do you not link to the source?
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I am somewhat conflicted.

I urged my mother to grab it as soon as she could. She is 93 and has had issues. She's a severe risk. But we both like to let our immune systems do the heavy lifting and this works out better than using tablets for anything at all, except emergencies like antibiotics for serious infections etc. I really want the antibody test to see if I have had it with very mild symptoms. I'm not sure what i'll say when I get the call.

You're right that often Covid is not serious but for those in certain catagories, it is as deadly as a bullet. And if these cases come on quick succession, and topples the health service, everyone is prejudiced.

What about you?

I most certainly will not be taking any vaccine.
Never had the flu shot,and never has a cold or flu for more than 3 days.
In the last 10 years,i have had the flu 3 time's,while those taking the flu vaccine i know have had the flu at least once a year. So you have to ask--what good is the flu shot ?.

A vaccine does nothing your body cannot already do.
Those at risk from dying from the flu,and have a flu shot,can still die from the flu.

With the covid vaccine,the risk's far out way the benefits.

It has to stop before it gets out of control.
At this rate,in 50 years,how many shots will we have to have to combat all that is yet to come?.


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A vaccine does nothing your body cannot already do.


This may apply to the 'flu but not polio, smallpox, measles etc.

Also, re. covid, this may or may not apply to you and me but it is a generalisation and does not apply to people with COPD, diabetes etc etc.

This is why most capital cities have recently had medical systems looking like the Battle of the Somme, and California's turn may be a couple of weeks in the future.
   

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This may apply to the 'flu but not polio, smallpox, measles etc.

Also, re. covid, this may or may not apply to you and me but it is a generalisation and does not apply to people with COPD, diabetes etc etc.

This is why most capital cities have recently had medical systems looking like the Battle of the Somme, and California's turn may be a couple of weeks in the future.

I really would love to know what the h#ll they are doing over there  ???

As you know, in Australia,Melbourne was the worst hit. Below is a pick of one of the wards of one of the hospitals in Melbourne,along with the link,during the peak of there outbreak.  O0
Remember,Victoria accounted for 98% of all covid related death's in Australia,and the pic below is during the peak of the outbreak.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/what-is-victoria-s-icu-capacity-and-could-we-exceed-it-20200714-p55bv5.html

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I really would love to know what the h#ll they are doing over there  ???

As you know, in Australia,Melbourne was the worst hit. Below is a pick of one of the wards of one of the hospitals in Melbourne,along with the link,during the peak of there outbreak.  O0
Remember,Victoria accounted for 98% of all covid related death's in Australia,and the pic below is during the peak of the outbreak.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/what-is-victoria-s-icu-capacity-and-could-we-exceed-it-20200714-p55bv5.html

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The article is 5 months old. The pic depicts a ward prepared for expected trouble.

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The article is 5 months old. The pic depicts a ward prepared for expected trouble.

Gordon Bennett, Brad.

Exactly--prepared for !expected! trouble--but it never happened,and this was the worst hit state in Australia.
I have also provided links to show you our states hospitals were that empty that health worker's and nurses were being laid off ,and being told to take leave.

So here is a task for you-
Disregard any overflow ward's--find just one picture or one article showing an Australian hospital overwhelmed during this !so called! pandemic-just one  O0.
This is a whole country we are talking about here,not just a single state or city--a whole country.

Do you know what you will find in a google search Paul?-->nothing.
Nothing after june this year.
Why?--because the powers that be do not want you to know they were wrong. They do not want you to know the truth. The only thing you will find is prediction's up to june-july,and then nothing-silence.

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The article is 5 months old. The pic depicts a ward prepared for expected trouble.

Gordon Bennett, Brad.

And yes,that is correct Paul. The article is 5 month's old.
Below is a graph showing the peak in our country.
As you can see,the peak was 5 months ago--but beds empty.  ;)


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1. Exactly--prepared for !expected! trouble--but it never happened

2. Disregard any overflow ward's--find just one picture or one article showing an Australian hospital overwhelmed during this !so called! pandemic-just one  O0.


1. Yes, it did. Big time.

2. These wards are not tourist attractions. Across the world, there were bloody great signs saying "NO ADMITTANCE",  "RED ZONE" and so on. Some news teams got through with accreditation.

Medical staff probalby use a pub or bar nearby. Go along and suggest these ideas to some of the off duty people. But beware; you might end up with a mouthful of loose teeth.
   

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1. Yes, it did. Big time.

2. These wards are not tourist attractions. Across the world, there were bloody great signs saying "NO ADMITTANCE",  "RED ZONE" and so on. Some news teams got through with accreditation.

Medical staff probalby use a pub or bar nearby. Go along and suggest these ideas to some of the off duty people. But beware; you might end up with a mouthful of loose teeth.

I am talking about Australia Paul--that was clear. No hospital in Australia was over run with covid patients-none.
You seen the empty overflow ward,and at exactly the same time as the peak.
I have supplied you with facts and evidence to back it up--no pandemic in Australia.

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I am talking about Australia Paul--that was clear

Yes, but you are in WA. I forgot. They did very well. You would need to go to Victoria.
   
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And yes,that is correct Paul. The article is 5 month's old.
Below is a graph showing the peak in our country.
As you can see,the peak was 5 months ago--but beds empty.  ;)


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No, it wasn't. the article was July 17th.

   
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I am talking about Australia Paul--that was clear. No hospital in Australia was over run with covid patients-none.
You seen the empty overflow ward,and at exactly the same time as the peak.
I have supplied you with facts and evidence to back it up--no pandemic in Australia.

You mean the pandemic isn't a problem in Australia yet because this ain't over.

Meanwhile here in Alberta, Canada we just went into a full lockdown again as the infection rates went through the roof. Which makes perfect sense because most here have bought into the populist bs and few people were wearing masks and had large gatherings during thanksgiving. In effect there ignorance could kill many more people and bankrupt even more businesses they falsely claim to care about.

I had two businesses crater when oil came off the rails and I can accept that. However most of my friends who own businesses still operating are saying they feel like bitch slapping all these clowns who didn't wear a mask bringing on a second wave. The oil downturn is understandable but some clown saying masks don't work, infecting hundreds of people bankrupting a business some people put there life into is not. So I will tell you what people better watch there mouth around here because the people I know have had about enough of this bs.

So ya, now were in another 4 week lockdown with all the business owners in panic mode because some far right snowflakes think a mask violates there freedom, what a !@#$ing joke.













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There are so-called "Experts" who promote the Covid Hysteria and Paranoia.

Then there are Real Experts who support the concepts of the Hippocratic Oath and Informed Consent.

Here the Real Experts offer their Analysis and Advice.

We are living in the Greatest Evil GasLight Experiment the World has yet seen.
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You mean the pandemic isn't a problem in Australia yet because this ain't over.

Meanwhile here in Alberta, Canada we just went into a full lockdown again as the infection rates went through the roof. Which makes perfect sense because most here have bought into the populist bs and few people were wearing masks and had large gatherings during thanksgiving. In effect there ignorance could kill many more people and bankrupt even more businesses they falsely claim to care about.

I had two businesses crater when oil came off the rails and I can accept that. However most of my friends who own businesses still operating are saying they feel like bitch slapping all these clowns who didn't wear a mask bringing on a second wave. The oil downturn is understandable but some clown saying masks don't work, infecting hundreds of people bankrupting a business some people put there life into is not. So I will tell you what people better watch there mouth around here because the people I know have had about enough of this bs.

So ya, now were in another 4 week lockdown with all the business owners in panic mode because some far right snowflakes think a mask violates there freedom, what a !@#$ing joke.

The only reason it is a problem,is because of the dickheads running the show, not the people refusing to wear a mask. Will you be happy wearing a mask for the rest of your life?,as you will never rid the world of covid 19.

This is where common sense comes into it,and it seems you have not listen to a word i have said.
A mask is not going to stop the spread of covid 19-period. You cannot wear a mask while you eat,which means everyone eating at a diner etc cannot wear a mask. So what is your plan-never have diners open again?.
I know what you are going to say-wear a mask until the !!pandemic!! is over. As i said,like the flu,covid 19 will be around for ever,as it is a strain of the flu. So unless you are prepared to wear a mask for the rest of your life,there is as much chance of covid 19 breaking out again as there is of a common flu outbreak.

As i also said,once you have had covid 19,your immune system knows how to react to a second dose,and the symptoms are much less severe =just as the flu is once your immune system knows how to deal with it.
It is also true that near to 0 healthy people have died from covid 19--most don't even know they had it.
So should we lock everyone up for the few that have died from covid 19,or should we do as i stated before?-let those who are at very low risk of dying from covid 19 should they catch it,keep the world running,and those at high risk be isolated,and kept safe.

Your analogy seems to be that if 1 person in a group of 10,000 people can't swim,then the other 9,999 that can swim are banned from swimming. Here is something from the WHO-->quote: Approximately 1.35 million people die each year as a result of road traffic crashes. , So using your logic,we should stop everyone from driving,as it will save lives  C.C .  We both know that you can't stop everyone driving,as the world would just stop. But this is exactly what your saying--we have a pandemic,so lock everyone down,as your mask idea is just not going to work. covid 19 will always be there,and it will only take one traveler to start the spread again. So unless your happy to wear a mask for the rest of your life,never dine out again(as you would have to remove your mask in public to eat),then mask wearing is not the issue here.

What i said is the only way through this !!pandemic!!,keep those at risk safe and isolated,and let those that are at very low to no risk(bulk of the worlds population) ,get back to it,and keep the world going.

It is not covid 19 that is locking down people,and destroying live's-->it is the idiot's in charge.
Here is a little truth for you--graph below from the center of disease control and prevention.
Now,would you have everyone wearing a mask for the flu?
I mean,the actual numbers between the flu and covid deaths are very close.
Should we lock everyone up if a few catch the flu?

Also note the age risk. Give me one good reason that those 55 years old and under should not be aloud to keep the world going?.

Like the bulk of the population,you could have had covid 19 already,and not even know it.
This is no more a pandemic than the common flu,and we have never locked the world down for that-->or any other pandemic in history.


Asking people to wear a mask is like people wearing a seat belt--there still is going to be deaths regardless.
Car accident deaths did not disappear with the wearing of seat belt's,and covid 19 will not disappear with the wearing of mask's.

You simply do not lock up 10,000 people because one person is at risk-that is about the ratio we are talking about here. All low risk people should be aloud to get on with life,and deal with covid 19 if and when they catch it--just as most have done so far.
So no point in blaming people for not wearing a mask,as it is your leaders that have screw'd things up,not the people. And if your mask's are so effective,then why would those that have the best of the best still be contracting covid 19?
Quote: Yesterday, the Victorian government released much-anticipated figures showing the proportion of the state’s health-care workers who caught COVID-19 at work.

Victoria’s chief medical officer Andrew Wilson said yesterday that 70-80% of health workers testing positive to COVID-19 were infected at work.


So there you go. Health workers who had the best mask's,the best sanitisers,the best PPE all round-->and they still caught covid 19 C.C. So your mask argument is just garbage.
It is our leaders that are making things worse,not the people that want to get on with life.

You just can't seem to look at tomorrow.
Is this what you want to happen every time there is a !!so called!! pandemic-and there will be more to come.

My children are in the very low to no risk category.
My grandchildren are in the no risk category.
So why the hell should they be locked up ?
Why should there way of life--there freedom be taken away,because there is a risk of 1 person in every 100,000 will die?. Wouldn't it be much more sensible to isolate the 1 in every 100,000,keep them safe,and let the rest of the world carry on.

1.35 million people dying from vehicle accidents every year.
Thank God the covid 19 mentality didn't take hold here,and everyone was banned from driving.
1.35 million die each year from vehicle accident's=keep on trucking.
650,000 die from flu each year=no change
1.6 million die each year from diabetes=such is life.

1.57 dead in a year from covid 19=world wide lockdown, life altering changes,and freedoms removed.

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People need to write stuff down if their memory is unreliable.

It is not about numbers; it is about rate.

It is about not crushing your health service

The USA had 3,260 deaths yesterday.

The USA had quarter of a million new cases yesterday.

...and some are still saying it is "Fake News" and other Trumpian nonsense.

   
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My grandchildren are in the no risk category.
So why the hell should they be locked up ?


Because they are believed to be carriers.

There is dispute over this statement but since grand kids are often very close to grandparents, the risk to the MOST VULNERABLE is severe. (The thing about Russian Roulette is that there are five empty chambers. It all depends how often you play the game).

   

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Because they are believed to be carriers.

There is dispute over this statement but since grand kids are often very close to grandparents, the risk to the MOST VULNERABLE is severe. (The thing about Russian Roulette is that there are five empty chambers. It all depends how often you play the game).

Once again,you do not listen.
I clearly stated that those at risk should be isolated and protected,which would include grand kids not visiting grand parents if they were suspect of having covid 19.
So do we stop the grandkids from seeing there grand parent's,or do we stop our grandkids from seeing anyone at all ?.

Do you have any idea as to how batshit the kids went when they had to stay at home for months on end.
This is nothing short of child abuse-period.


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