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Grumage	Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « on: 2020-10-09, 20:50:08 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2765	Hi All. Chet asked if I could post a link to a project I looked at several years ago. My own system used a single, horizontal insulated wire aerial of about 75 Feet long and elevated 30 feet above ground. Patrick Kelly did a whole article on the subject, a screenshot is posted below. The idea certainly worked and was capable of lighting an LED but I discovered solar PV and the rest is history. Cheers Grum. ------------------------ Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. Screenshot (1).png (1220.75 kB, 3840x2160 - viewed 1264 times.) --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Paul-R	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #1 on: 2020-10-09, 23:17:52 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	I worked on this some years ago. A voltage did build up on the cap but it took a long time. Someone said that one needs a very heavy duty earth line. It's worth another look.

Chet K	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #2 on: 2020-10-09, 23:31:07 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Grum Thank you Now I recall a few other experimenters playing with Similar I believe a better ground was tried And there was a method I vaguely recall For a super duper ground . I actually remember thinking the guy was making a battery In the grounding point ? I will ring him and ask .. Thanks

Grumage	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #3 on: 2020-10-10, 11:53:18 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2765	Quote from: Paul-R on 2020-10-09, 23:17:52 I worked on this some years ago. A voltage did build up on the cap but it took a long time. Someone said that one needs a very heavy duty earth line. It's worth another look. On the contrary Paul. Here the LED remained lit continuously. My " ground " was a 600mm length of 15mm Copper water pipe and connected by a length of 2.5 mm squared Copper wire. ( independent of Supply Industry earth ) What was interesting is that when monitoring the signal with my scope, over time the amplitude varied considerably. I recall that the best reading seemed to occur at around 11:30 AM. Cheers Graham. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Grumage	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #4 on: 2020-10-10, 12:09:40 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2765	As a reminder. https://youtu.be/mRz3oTLicT4 Not aerial collection but earth collection. I " Dowsed " the positions for the remote rod. This " art " was taught to me as an apprentice electrician, serving my time with the local Water company. At this time I had decided to invest in Solar PV and further experiments were shelved. There's potential here, pardon the pun, for further investigation? Cheers Graham. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Paul-R	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #5 on: 2020-10-10, 17:36:12 »
Hero Member Posts: 1579	Quote from: Grumage on 2020-10-10, 11:53:18 On the contrary Paul. Here the LED remained lit continuously... I think my implementation was significantly different. I was expecting to charge the capacitor, discharge it and recharge etc. If it had been more successful, I would have given it a special coil/neo motor to accept the output rather than a bridge rectifier and batty. Your earth is what I had in mind. Six foot of 15mm copper central heating tube hammered into the ground. (People need to remember that kitchen sinks are often useless since there is so much plastic plumbing around these days).

Grumpy	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #6 on: 2020-10-10, 17:49:41 »
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Allcanadian	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #7 on: 2020-10-11, 04:44:18 »
Hero Member Posts: 2735	Grumpy Quote As a reminder. https://youtu.be/mRz3oTLicT4 Not aerial collection but earth collection. I " Dowsed " the positions for the remote rod. This " art " was taught to me as an apprentice electrician, serving my time with the local Water company. I remember what got me interested in atmospheric energy... flashback My father had a 30 foot ham radio beam antenna with four 8' horizontal and vertical elements on a 40 foot tower out on the farm. One evening a thunderstorm was approaching and as I came around the house I heard this loud arcing noise. I found his ground strap was rusted through and a fairly thick purple streamer was jumping the 3/4" gap almost continuously. So of course I did what most 13 year old, want to be inventors would do and touched the strap, lol. So I ended up on my ass shaking my head wondering where all this power was coming from. I got dad to explain it to me however his explanation was pretty general and lacking detail. It was only later when the internet came along that it really came together. Studying the works of Tesla, Plauson, Feynman's lectures and many others when I got interested in free energy. As usual Tesla described the problem best, the electric field gradient is uniform rising by 100v/m vertically unless disturbed. The key word here is "uniform" which is the fundamental problem as a vertical wire has the same uniform potential gradient as the electric field it is immersed in. Thus there can be no change unless the electric field changes or the wire moves or EM waves are present to induce a change. Note that when I noticed discharges from my fathers ham tower a thunder storm was approaching which not only changes the atmosphere to ground potential but can also reverse it. In my opinion this is what Tesla picked up on in his research with detecting lightning strikes and the wave like disturbance produced by them. All is well and little happens in a uniform electric field gradient from atmosphere to ground but once it's disturbed... that's when the action starts. In my opinion Tesla's research was very different from that of plauson and others in this respect. Tesla was always harping about disturbing the medium and one can see his progression in understanding as he moved from one concept to next, always building on the last. In my opinion it always starts with seeing something peculiar, like the arc across a broken ground strap from a ham tower, always building on this premise and trying to move our understanding forward. Grumpy, if this interests you pm me and I can pass on what I have learned over the years if you want. Regards --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

Centraflow	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #8 on: 2020-10-11, 08:45:54 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Nice post AC. I think you are 100%right. Tesla knew but was sworn to keep the secret, maybe it's time to get the secret out into the world! The problem is there are those who could build with plans and those who could not. Not everyone is an engineer, I think maybe 65% could not so what happens to the other 35%? I wish the world was straightforward but it is not. Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #9 on: 2020-10-11, 09:44:45 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	To expand on my post, this is the quote I like the most:- In my opinion, this is what Tesla picked up on in his research with detecting lightning strikes and the wave-like disturbance produced by them. All is well and little happens in a uniform electric field gradient from the atmosphere to the ground but once it's disturbed... that's when the action starts. In my opinion, Tesla's research was very different from that of plauson and others in this respect. Tesla was always harping about disturbing the medium and one can see his progression in understanding as he moved from one concept to next, always building on the last. There are few who have looked at disturbing the medium, The medium is one of both a dielectric between capacitor plates and a waveguide, let me explain that! In a capacitor, the electric field moves at 90º to the plates, in a waveguide the electric field moves at resonance in a longitudinal direction down the guide at the same time as the field moves up and down (a sine wave with direction), this is the Earth's electric circuit. I could go on and on but I think this is enough on this thread atm. Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

conradelektro	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #10 on: 2020-10-11, 11:57:52 »
Jr. Member Posts: 90	May be this is off topic. Harvesting energy from the "air" reminds mit of Wilhelm Reich and his Orgone Accumulator: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone "Alternating layers of organic and non-organic materials inside the walls supposedly increase the orgone concentration inside the enclosure relative to the surrounding environment." I see the Orgone Accumulator as a "neutrino catcher", which might be total nonsense, but think a moment with me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino https://www.space.com/38874-ghostly-cosmic-neutrinos-stopped-by-earth.html "And yet about 100 trillion neutrinos pass through your body every second, according to a statement from the IceCube collaboration. Most of those neutrinos come from the sun, which releases a constant stream of low-energy neutrinos out into space." It is an old wide spread idea that one could harvest power from the neutrinos (coming mostly from the sun) passing through every square meter on the surface of the earth turned towards the sun or even coming through the earth if one is facing away from the sun during the night. The problem, neutrinos do not interact with normal matter, they just pass through. Wilhelm Reich might have stumbled on a way to interact with neutrinos with his Orgone Accumulator and the alternating layers of organic and non-organic materials inside the walls of the accumulator. The alternating layers of organic and non-organic materials could be something like a photovoltaic cell for neutrinos (instead of light). It is probably a crazy idea. I did some tests without success. It becomes even wilder if one considers energy in living cells. Some researches see not enough energy in living cells to sustain the "living" of a cell (the chemical reactions inside a cell need energy). And it could be neutrinos (which pass through a cell day and night) which supply the missing energy. Totally far out, I know. Greetings Conrad (catching 100 trillion neutrinos per second, day and night, and living from it, may be)

Allcanadian	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #11 on: 2020-10-12, 16:15:23 »
Hero Member Posts: 2735	Mike In many of Teslas lectures he broke the problem down to conductivity. The atmosphere to ground potential, a source, is always present however it cannot produce a tangible current. Only during thunderstorms does the potential rise enough to start conducting. Thus this seems like a good premise to build on. Regards --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

muDped	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #12 on: 2020-10-12, 21:56:03 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Tesla discovered in his experimentation in Colorado that his Very High Voltage Machine was able to establish conductive channels to the upper atmospheric charge which in turn produced enormous "surges" in electrical energy in his connections to the local generating station which provided his power. His plan for Wardenclyffe was to harness that energy to provide free electricity to the communities not far away. Once his plan was discovered by his financial supporters they pulled the plug on his construction. They wanted no part of "Free." --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Centraflow	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #13 on: 2020-10-12, 22:00:38 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020-10-12, 16:15:23 Mike In many of Teslas lectures he broke the problem down to conductivity. The atmosphere to ground potential, a source, is always present however it cannot produce a tangible current. Only during thunderstorms does the potential rise enough to start conducting. Thus this seems like a good premise to build on. Regards https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html#:~:text=The%20total%20electric%20current%20reaching,a%20power%20of%20700%20megawatts! Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Centraflow	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #14 on: 2020-10-12, 22:13:16 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	And here https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/earth-global-electrical-circuit-carnegie-curve-ionosphere/ Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

PhysicsProf	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #15 on: 2020-10-18, 02:43:22 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Quote from: muDped on 2020-10-12, 21:56:03 his Very High Voltage Machine was able to establish conductive channels to the upper atmospheric charge which in turn produced enormous "surges" in electrical energy in his connections to the local generating station which provided his power. This reminded me of the Testatika (sp?) device... wonder if it also establishes conductive channels to the atmospheric potential?

Grumage	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #16 on: 2020-10-18, 11:58:42 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2765	I forgot to mention.... At this time we were using a " conical " Plasma lamp to provide " safeish " HV for various experiments. By placing an Aluminium jacket around the glass and attaching HV diodes to it we could have HV DC available. The diode " doubler " circuit ( picture on first post ) would, almost instantly rise to around 40 VDC. It made me wonder if several in parallel could provide the energy required for the lamp as it only needed 12 Volts @ 10 mA to drive it. Needless to say I didn't get around to trying it. I'm pretty sure that really cheap Silicon diodes could replace the more expensive Germanium ones as the source energy is much stronger. Cheers Graham. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

JimBoot	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #17 on: 2020-10-19, 07:23:55 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2020-10-18, 02:43:22 This reminded me of the Testatika (sp?) device... wonder if it also establishes conductive channels to the atmospheric potential? for those not familiar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YV2d2IYQ_4

muDped	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #18 on: 2020-10-19, 08:18:54 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Fascinating video JimBoot! I had seen some other videos about the Testatika Machine before but not this particular one. It conveys a very nice message. I certainly hope that the Peace, Quietude and Freedoms of the Community have not been destroyed by the Covid-19 Compliance Enforcers. Their Testatika Machine looks to be a highly innovated Wimshurst Machine with the added ability to operate as a Static Electricity Motor in order to keep it self-rotating. The narrator mentions it makes use of Known Scientific Principles but also some Principles which seem to be outside the known realm. That is revealing. There is an easily implemented modification which would solve the "humidity problem." Physics Prof knows what that is. The multi-bladed windmill generator first shown is very similar to the Windmill on my Grandmother's Farm in Iowa where I grew up. Very low windspeed operation with a high torque which enabled it to operate a simple gearbox to power a pump to pump well water for long periods of time. Grandma used it to keep the large water basin for the Cows filled with Fresh Water. She did have a backup electric motor though for those days when the wind wasn't blowing at all. The Methernitha Community has functions and goals very similar to the Amana Colonies close to where we lived in Iowa. Those colonies sadly gave way to commercialization and integration and are today a mere shadow of what they once were. I do have an Amana Refrigerator I've been using for more than 40 years. I'd like to have a close look at the Testatika to see first hand what it actually does. The Community is a Spiritual Community so that says something too. The claimed Output Power capability of such a small machine seems out of the ordinary. Have they found a way to access the Free Energy so abundant in our Universe by some means? Just found this Web Page which offers analysis of a few machines including the Testatika. Another analysis with considerably more detail One more which is quite interesting There are several more in the search result. « Last Edit: 2020-10-19, 21:04:08 by muDped » --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Classic	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #19 on: 2023-07-10, 19:45:26 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	This is quite interesting, I never seen anyone bothered to replicate Jes Ascanius device. If all those that said they tried would be bothered to follow instructions maybe things would look a bit different. Otherwise those who replicate are no better than electro boom. There are few important things in order to achieve some results there is some important points: - everything needs to be insulated (for safety reasons, but most important to avoid any leak) - connection wire must be solid copper with minimum 13 sq mm cross section ( quite difficult to find nowadays any solid copper wire above 2.5 sq mm, maybe some copper pipe with heat shrink on it would do the job). - antenna as per Tesla’s patent must be high polished aluminium or amalgamated placed vertical, as high and as big is practical possible ( I can suggest some aluminium plate at least 2 mm thick polished and graphene coated using coating for coils). Also antenna must be insulated (can be used a frame made of 30 mm diameter drain pipe drilled to anchor some ties to hold aluminium plate and using a T and reduction can be connected with 3-6 meters long 50-100 mm drain pipe as a pole if someone want to install it in back garden. Way easier if installation is in the loft. No sharp edges or corners ! I didn’t tried yet but I plan to use some graphene sheets placed on the roof. I’m not sure what could mean amalgamated in Tesla’s description 🤨 - ground or earth connection must be at least 3 meters deep or use counterpoise, with all connections and wires very well insulated especially in areas where humidity is high to prevent leakage. - the system will be constrained by electronic components used, capacitors should be related to desired load, diodes must be fast switching under 25 ns and when choose components pay attention to have lowest leak. - my guess is the system must not have mismatch impedance at resonance in order to be efficient. - additional circuits can be used to improve the output the way is desired. If more modules are to be used they must have separate ground connection. - connection between antenna and ground should be vertical and as short as possible, electronic circuit should be placed midway. - soldering instead of crocodile clamps should be preferred, quality of connections could make huge difference. - combination between film capacitors and electrolytic is a must. Tesla recommend mica capacitors but I didn’t tried yet. Using whatever diodes and capacitors are at hand won’t help to get any decent usable output, remember you don’t do this when winding coils using any wire and wounding mindless in any direction any number of turns or using a core or not at all. A

AlienGrey	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #20 on: 2023-07-11, 05:33:04 »
Group: Guest	Graham. Hi sorry I didn't get back to you about the Tesla coil winding 'thing' it was all a bit up in the air about experiments, turns out a simple generator around 3kv with low current will do since its just voltage it needs . Also that device you first made with the random wound coil in the middle needs to be tuned to quarter wave length not sure where the hv comes from for that build or how it's fed in to the device. Sil

Classic	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #21 on: 2023-07-14, 21:17:18 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Some food for thoughts Find the impedance of designed antenna including wire connection up to electronic circuit and its resonance. Find the impedance of ground/earth to be used including wire connection up to the electronic circuit and its resonance. Find matching impedance for electronic circuit at resonance. If you have access to an electronic circuit simulator worth to give it a go. Enjoy !

Classic	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #22 on: 2023-07-22, 10:57:43 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: Grumage on 2020-10-09, 20:50:08 Hi All. Chet asked if I could post a link to a project I looked at several years ago. My own system used a single, horizontal insulated wire aerial of about 75 Feet long and elevated 30 feet above ground. Patrick Kelly did a whole article on the subject, a screenshot is posted below. The idea certainly worked and was capable of lighting an LED but I discovered solar PV and the rest is history. Cheers Grum. Do you realise that the turns of wire used as an antenna is same with the coil in Kapanadze generator ? How difficult might be to see that almost all systems harvesting “non taxed/ un measurable amount of” energy, use the same vortex of magnetic field (the disturbance in local environment), amplifier, conditioner and capacitors ?

AlienGrey	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #23 on: 2023-07-30, 20:36:58 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Classic on 2023-07-22, 10:57:43 Do you realise that the turns of wire used as an antenna is same with the coil in Kapanadze generator ? How difficult might be to see that almost all systems harvesting “non taxed/ un measurable amount of” energy, use the same vortex of magnetic field (the disturbance in local environment), amplifier, conditioner and capacitors ? Why would you be so interested in paying tax on energy taken out of the environment ? Scrubbing the environment of global warming is the opposite condition, they should pay us tax ! once the clean up action starts.

Classic	Re: Aerial energy collector. AKA Jes Ascanius system. « Reply #24 on: 2023-07-31, 02:42:56 »
Group: Restricted Sr. Member Posts: 270	Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-07-30, 20:36:58 Why would you be so interested in paying tax on energy taken out of the environment ? Scrubbing the environment of global warming is the opposite condition, they should pay us tax ! once the clean up action starts. So, how do you think they can maintain their lifestyle if nobody pays tax, or if everybody will pay less ? It might be just enough money to maintain the system going … but nothing for expensive purses bought from high street shops for their attractive companions. Sorry for rant. Now back on business … I think we all know that a lighting is initiated from the ground, from the gradient with less positive charge (call it negative if you wish). So, why don’t we try to create a clear path for the phenomena to make it possible to happen on terms more convenient for an efficient collection, make it bleed constant let’s say ? Obviously people need educated against abuse, otherwise we will find ourselves in the same position as we are now regarding bigoil&associates.

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