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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #100 on: 2021-08-28, 21:53:32 »

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Greetings Arthur.

The method you're using to accomplish the magnetic switching as described in your postings Here and Here is actually quite ingenious.

I wonder;  do you think it would be possible to come up with an arrangement where both the Magnets and the Coils are stationary and the only rotating parts would be the Magnetic Divereters to accomplish the desired Magnetic Switching?

You've given the Problem a great deal of thought and I believe you are close to success.
 


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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #101 on: 2021-08-28, 22:01:49 »
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Quote from: gyula on 2021-08-28, 20:12:56
Hi Arthur,

Would like to ask what is the approximate cross section area of the plates under the generator windings? And what is the thickness of the plates?

You mention permalloy material and the like, here is an ebay offer on an ultraperm 80 metal sheet with 0.1 mm thickness. https://www.ebay.com/itm/353615286207 and
here is another offer with 0.3 mm thickness.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/233934747463

They are expensive but do you think that layering such sheets to get say 2 mm thickness will be useful? 
The advantage of using such sheets is that they can be cut relatively easily by scissors to the needed Fibonacci spiral shape.
Thanks for answering my question on looping the output to the input, that is very good you tested it.

Gyula
It all depends on the magnets and their flux as well as the speed of rotation.  If the structure is made of sufficient quality and does not have vibration and beating, then the frequency can be quite high.  and it depends on the stator material.  I cannot say how this or that material can show itself.  here you can calculate the classic magnetic conductivity calculator.  overall power, the strength of the magnet by the number of tesla.  I used permola powder.  this was ordered from the core workshop.  it cost me about $ 800, you can experiment with different materials.  but if you use pure iron in one thick piece, it will be a good oven)
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #102 on: 2021-08-28, 22:16:32 »
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Quote from: Arthur on 2021-08-28, 01:05:25
Now I can transform, or I would say teleport Lenz to another system and dispose of him there.  that's right to say.  This, too, I can tell you in what way you can do it.

Arthur,

It's a very interesting subject. This method is what I would like to learn about.

Thank you for sharing your discoveries

Cadman



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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #103 on: 2021-08-28, 22:19:39 »
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Quote from: muDped on 2021-08-28, 21:53:32
Greetings Arthur.

The method you're using to accomplish the magnetic switching as described in your postings Here and Here is actually quite ingenious.

I wonder;  do you think it would be possible to come up with an arrangement where both the Magnets and the Coils are stationary and the only rotating parts would be the Magnetic Divereters to accomplish the desired Magnetic Switching?

You've given the Problem a great deal of thought and I believe you are close to success.
As I said above, I found a way to dispose of Lenz in a way that can turn the generator into a device that has no braking.  This is the second way to avoid influence.  I am also working on TPU but at the moment I cannot overcome the influence.  I need time and the opportunity to buy an oscilloscope with 4 galvanically isolated channels (independent), then I could create a TPU pretty quickly.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #104 on: 2021-08-28, 22:36:23 »
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Quote from: Cadman on 2021-08-28, 22:16:32
Arthur,

It's a very interesting subject. This method is what I would like to learn about.

Thank you for sharing your discoveries


Cadman
I can tell you how you can teleport Lenz to another system.  another system, I mean the node where we dispose of Lenz without affecting the source of the EMF.  technically we can never escape Lenz's influence in a closed system.  therefore, we need to completely decouple the source from the disposal site.  but I want you to understand the process and not just assemble structures according to the instructions.  I described the first way.  it's easy enough to understand.  we compensate for the Lenz influences with magnet attraction and gentle care.  it looks like Muammar Ildis device
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #105 on: 2021-08-28, 23:51:17 »
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in fact, the second method is even easier.  to understand I will speak in simple words.  first, you need to break down all temporary processes into stages.  the first stage when the magnet comes to the coil we shouldn't have a load.  the resistance must be infinite.  the second stage - the magnet is at the maximum EMF, at this moment the key is switched.  (The turn-off time depends on the characteristics of the output transformer.) The third stage is very important!  at this stage, we break the chain at the right time and dispose of our Lenz.  without affecting the source, we can transfer the emf to another system and use it as we want.  It sounds simple, but no one will show you how to do it technically.  This can be done by a person who understands the processes, who can experimentally test and confirm it.  all ingenious is simple, but not everyone can do it.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #106 on: 2021-08-29, 00:05:56 »
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in this video I discovered the first effect when we recycle the source EMF in the transformer.  I use one key that works with one pole.  But when I figured out how it works, I just used a large transformer in push-pull mode.  each field worked on its own shoulder.
https://youtu.be/owC0wYRlKws

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I do not want to distribute the video.  these videos are available here.  There are people who are extremely hostile to me and do not want me to spread this information.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #107 on: 2021-08-29, 00:14:48 »
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if someone does not understand what I am talking about, let them be silent and do not ask unnecessary questions.  Who understands that way asks questions how it works.  There are nuances in this method that you need to understand.  they are in temporary transitions.  Everything will only work at the right time.  I hope the translation from Russian was correct
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #108 on: 2021-08-29, 07:44:26 »
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Quote from: Arthur on 2021-08-29, 00:14:48
if someone does not understand what I am talking about, let them be silent and do not ask unnecessary questions.  Who understands that way asks questions how it works.  There are nuances in this method that you need to understand.  they are in temporary transitions.  Everything will only work at the right time.  I hope the translation from Russian was correct

Hi Arthur,

Thank you for sharing this.
Perhaps you could explain a little more about you solid state setup.
From the video it is not very clear what you are switching.

Thanks,
Vasik

PS I can help with translation if you like
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #109 on: 2021-08-29, 17:04:49 »
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Quote from: Arthur on 2021-08-29, 00:05:56

in this video I discovered the first effect when we recycle the source EMF in the transformer.  I use one key that works with one pole.  But when I figured out how it works, I just used a large transformer in push-pull mode.  each field worked on its own shoulder.


Arthur,

Has the subject device changed to a transformer, or are we still working with an alternator?

Cadman


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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #110 on: 2021-08-29, 17:59:25 »
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in the video at the beginning of my letters, I showed the first prototype of a generator with back EMF compensation.  there is no need for any keys or semiconductors.  The second method that I tested and works is to transport Lenz to the second path.  the second circuit can only be inductance.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #111 on: 2021-08-29, 19:37:55 »
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #112 on: 2021-08-29, 20:11:39 »
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I have no time or desire to promote my work.  I spontaneously selected the first section and posted the information.  who decides to do this seriously, I will help.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #113 on: 2021-08-29, 20:20:46 »
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Quote from: Cadman on 2021-08-29, 17:04:49
Arthur,

Has the subject device changed to a transformer, or are we still working with an alternator?

Cadman
I do not work with direct current.  At the exit, I had 3 phases, what to do with this everyone decides what he wants
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #114 on: 2021-08-29, 20:25:45 »
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now I will show the core on which I am using the output transformer.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #115 on: 2021-08-29, 20:39:51 »
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Hi Arthur,

Can I please run the following question by you to see if I (we) are not mixing up multiple systems?

The generator you show in video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tathVvJtWVo
- The coils are connected straight to the load bulbs with no additional circuitry?
- You made the cores from powdered material? Would you recommend this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Price-Sell-Permalloy-Ni49Fe50-Alloy_1600173994321.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3c9d3576p2BUiD

Thanks for the answers!
Steven
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #116 on: 2021-08-29, 20:41:12 »
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the output transformer must have the characteristics suitable for your generator.  the magnet must give a maximum EMF, the transformer must accept this and delay it until a certain moment, then when the magnet is farther from the coil, then we break the connection and receive energy from the magnet in our transformer.  then do whatever you want with it.  But until the moment when the magnet comes back to the coil, there should be nothing in the transformer.  it should be empty.  (reset hysteresis)
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #117 on: 2021-08-29, 20:56:24 »
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Quote from: nali2001 on 2021-08-29, 20:39:51
Hi Arthur,

Can I please run the following question by you to see if I (we) are not mixing up multiple systems?

The generator you show in video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tathVvJtWVo
- The coils are connected straight to the load bulbs with no additional circuitry?
- You made the cores from powdered material? Would you recommend this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Price-Sell-Permalloy-Ni49Fe50-Alloy_1600173994321.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3c9d3576p2BUiD

Thanks for the answers!
Steven
Yes, there is nothing commutation on this video.  they are simply permoloy cores.  2 cores per phase, 6 cores in total.  But in reality I was deceived and the quality of the core was poor.  The powder looks good on your link.  You can do an experiment.  the attraction to the magnet must be sufficient to overcome the force of rupture or release of the magnet from the core.  But these experiments require money.  it's good for those who have them.  You can make a perpetual motion machine and enjoy the spectacle.  But for a commercial proposal, this will not work.  efficiency must be over 400% to be of interest for industrial applications.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #118 on: 2021-08-29, 21:21:32 »
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Thanks for the info.
You had these cores made? Or did you you make them yourself?
Are they epoxy mixed with the powder and cast in a shape? Or was the powder high power pressed in a mould and sintered commercially like the production process of ferrite?
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #119 on: 2021-08-29, 21:40:31 »
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at the very beginning of the experiments, I used a solid sheet of iron 8mm thick, but it turned out to be a furnace that burns the windings) the second time I ordered from a private master, he made it using epoxy resin and the desired shape, but he did not give a good attraction of the magnets and the quality was low.  But he gave me the opportunity to understand the mistakes.  for such generators, the rotation speed must be at least 2000 rpm to obtain more than 300% efficiency
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #120 on: 2021-08-29, 21:45:20 »
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Ok thanks, and the cores made by this private master were the cores used in the generator in the video?
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #121 on: 2021-08-29, 21:51:57 »
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Quote from: nali2001 on 2021-08-29, 21:45:20
Ok thanks, and the cores made by this private master were the cores used in the generator in the video?
Yes
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #122 on: 2021-08-29, 22:07:37 »
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Do you trust the watt meter reading you use in the video?
Have you used an resistor to see the amps on the oscilloscope and so calculate the wattage?

Sometimes these cheap watt meters can be inaccurate.

Thanks for you patience with these questions.
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #123 on: 2021-08-29, 22:53:52 »
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Quote from: nali2001 on 2021-08-29, 22:07:37
Do you trust the watt meter reading you use in the video?
Have you used an resistor to see the amps on the oscilloscope and so calculate the wattage?

Sometimes these cheap watt meters can be inaccurate.

Thanks for you patience with these questions.
https://youtu.be/jjEQnU8tpRw This is my old video, I am using a resistor that is connected to the oscilloscope and we can see the voltage across the resistor.  These measurements are more correct, but even without devices, we can hear that almost at a short circuit, the generator speed does not fall, consumption does not increase.  in the generator all magnetic fields are compensated as in the device Ildis Myanmar.  rotor moves freely
   
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Re: The science of free energy « Reply #124 on: 2021-08-29, 23:40:09 »
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Hi Arthur,

Would like to ask a question on the 2nd method you mention in your Reply # 105 above. 
I undertand the first and the second stage when the transformer is switched onto the input coil.
However, when this happens and the input coil is induced to have maximum EMF,  the exponentially increasing transformer current would invoke Lenz law to happen, no?

 Of course the ON time for the switch is important but it determines the transferred energy to the transformer. The smaller the switch-on time, the less energy is transferred
and the less Lenz effect hampers the input coil, and vice versa.  Is this correct? What I am missing?

Of course, after the switch is off (this the third stage if I am not mistaken?), no Lenz effect can happen on the input coil but during the ON time I think there should be a certain Lenz effect.
Is that negligibly low yet the "teleported" energy is enough already to use it advantageously?
Would you explain?

Thanks
Gyula 
   
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