@ Farrah Day
Just theorizing here, but what if you could 'kill two birds with one stone?' That is, produce the required V & I for a standard electrolysis reaction, and simultaneously with that same V & I induce a resonant magnetic or acoustic standing wave in the medium? It could theoretically 'boost' the known molecular reaction without increasing the cost to the source (ie. our wallets! 
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GH, that's exactly how I see this panning out. To my mind cavitation is a by-product of the plates (or tubes) oscillating due to the interacting magnetic fields that arise because of pulsing currents - and of course something that we would never encounter in straight dc electrolysers. This then acts as a catalyst to normal electrolysis. No doubt that some energy is required to make the plates oscillate, but this has likely always been the case when using a PWM to pulse the current through the cells, but now we are looking to enhance this effect by hitting a resonant frequency.
It has also recently occurred to me that the pressure variations within the water created by oscillating plates will not only possibly form pockets of water vapour on rarefaction, but also cause the bubbles of hydrogen and oxygen leaving the electrodes to undergo some major stresses. After all, if a bubble of water vapour can form and implode due to cavitation, then surely the same can be said for the hydrogen and oxygen bubbles.
I see that you're familiar with the ultrasonic cavitation technology and the only reason that I mention the magnetic wave is because of the Mike Nunnerley thread over at EF, have you seen that? Apart from the spelling errors that drive me nuts... he seems to have accomplished something there worth considering if it, too, survives further investigation/replication. Plus, the mookie thread here as well makes mention of an apparent magnetic effect.
That Nunnerley thread is here if you haven't seen it: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o.html Sorry, if this is still a sore subject....
Thanks for this... fascinating. I'll have to try to digest this as well!
groundhog
Mike Nunnerley's thread is one of the reasons I was banned by Aaron, as he effectively called me stupid for asking questions that Mike had already answered (NOT), and deemed my constant questions to be harassment (check out page 1-3 of that thread). Needless to say I made my feelings about him known in no uncertain terms, and that was that. Aaron has since deleted many of my posts and indeed his own retorts. Anyway, a few of them are clearly all in bed together over there and as thick as thieves, so even asking legitimate questions that they won't - or can't - answer often causes them to gang up on someone like me. Many of them are simply following Mikes lead and have no idea what they are talking about, or indeed what they are doing, others, like Aaron, make out that they know it all and yet see fit to be ellusive. I really don't trust Mike as he is a bit of a bullshitter, he once claimed to be working behind the scenes with Tutanka on an ionisation device, but later Tutanka claimed this had never been so
. And I seriously get the impression that, very much like FF, Mike is enjoying the attention and just blagging his way through it. When I asked about what reactions he thought would be occurring, he always avoided the question and tried to belittle me by way of an answer, just as Aaron (prize dick) always did. Mike is also one of these irritating people that seems to enjoy telling everyone that he knows this and that, he has all the answers, but then gets even greater pleasure from telling them that his lips are sealed due to a non-disclosure act or similar... how very convenient. To be honest I think he's just an attention seeker, someone that tries to elevate himself at the top of the heap by piling up the bullshit - I don't think he has a clue. And besides I personally could never put any faith in someone, supposedly educated, that titles his thread, 'None Electrolytic Splitting of H2o', instead of the grammatically correct, 'Non-Electrolytic Splitting of H2O'. The terrible spelling aside, the whole thread contains no actual science that relates to how RF electromagnetic waves actually dissociate the water molecule. There is not even any theorising of the reaction that must take place for it to work. I once asked Mike if he thought that the water molecule was ionising first, but he didn't seem to even understand the question. I don't believe that anything will ever come of it, and just like Tutanka's claims, in time it will all dissipate into nothingness.
I'm going to be starting a new thread on my bench specifically for discussing Chris Eckman's paper, and particularly the findings of the mass spectrometer gas analysis, which I've been studying further over the Christmas period. I did actually email Eckman a while ago with some questions about the obvious flaws in his paper but, alas, he has never replied.
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