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gotoluc	Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « on: 2019-09-03, 19:19:50 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 901	Feb. 2024 New topic started here http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/513447-practical-and-scientific-technologies-mostly-tesla-related —-////——//// Article: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201902.0180/v2 pdf doc 1: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201902.0180/v2/download pdf doc 2: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201902.0180/v2/download/supplementary Unlisted Video Demo links from pdf doc 2 6 Power Demo; https://youtu.be/UOc42vG9Vhs 7 Metal Neutral: https://youtu.be/6dqdgtNcEQI 8 Electronic devices in vicinity: https://youtu.be/7UPf7M1EiiE 9 Multi Receiver: https://youtu.be/qRQKoeCV-8k 10 Tx in The Metal Enclosure: https://youtu.be/t-_HAqxcnkI —-///—-/// Edit to add No positive results found in 2019 replication attempt . Here a mirror topic was run at same time topic started at Overunity.com and with Wesley/Stivep approval ( in his moderated section) You will notice Wesley /Stivep moderating posts at topic. https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/ Were physicist and electrical Engineer and persons skilled in the field at time of replication Attempt (30+ day effort) All was open source! All parties involved are still available for comment) « Last Edit: 2024-03-04, 17:11:01 by Chet K »

Chet K	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #1 on: 2019-09-05, 20:52:14 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	Post 2830 or 2831 here https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/2820/ This info was from university of Buffalo investigation. (I believe?)

PhysicsProf	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #2 on: 2019-09-07, 03:24:27 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Quote from: gotoluc on 2019-09-03, 19:19:50 Article: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201902.0180/v2 pdf doc 1: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201902.0180/v2/download pdf doc 2: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201902.0180/v2/download/supplementary Unlisted Video Demo links from pdf doc 2 6 Power Demo; https://youtu.be/UOc42vG9Vhs 7 Metal Neutral: https://youtu.be/6dqdgtNcEQI 8 Electronic devices in vicinity: https://youtu.be/7UPf7M1EiiE 9 Multi Receiver: https://youtu.be/qRQKoeCV-8k 10 Tx in The Metal Enclosure: https://youtu.be/t-_HAqxcnkI From the article: Quote Our modeling and simulation using Maxwells equation with proper boundary conditions shows Zenneck type behavior for the excited waves and are in excellent agreement with experimental results. In conclusion, we physically realize a radically different power transfer system, based on a wave, whose existence has been fiercely debated for over a century. Interesting, but is there any discussion or better, demonstration - of an OU effect?

Chet K	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #3 on: 2019-09-07, 14:47:00 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTLfnMOSqQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1003 at 7 minute mark [approx] Wesley shows 1200 foot transmission with 20 watts input at 16:43 mark what he refers to as "activation" which is said to interact with energy within the planet [natural occurring Zenneck within the shuman ?? this "activation" part is where additional energy enters the system . as of this writing , specific method to "activate" has not been shared in a "how to" format. but apparently all that is needed has been posted at Wesley Blog at Stefan's forum. I believe Wesley is maintaining agreement with fellow researcher in Germany who did the actual testing to realize the activation process and additional energy. he is asking for permission to share the specifics.

muDped	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #4 on: 2019-09-08, 04:17:32 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Extracting energy from the Schumann Resonances is an interesting hypothesis, but is it even practicable? What is the energy density of the frequencies which occur within the ELF band from 3 Hz to 60 Hz? Sufficient to enable "harvesting" watts of power with a "receiving" device of some sort? Aren't the Schumann frequencies rather weak? Powered by Lightning, the original "Spark Gap Transmitter." The tower built in Texas is designed to operate at approx. 18 KHz which is much higher than the Schumann frequencies but, interestingly, within the range of frequencies used to world-wide communicate with submerged submarines in the oceans of the Planet. Food for thought... If not Schumann, what else might it be? --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Chet K	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #5 on: 2019-09-08, 15:53:20 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	I have heard that there is a layer of natural Zenneck waves that runs right along the surface [under our feet ?] in Telluric currents....?? in an area smaller than the space between two pinched fingers [crazy small space] and the magnetic attribute of this "Zenneck zone" is most important for harvesting, one thing for certain we will be learning much more about the different energy transmitting / harvesting methods here .[good or bad] whether true FE as in a heretofore unrealized energy source, or is it harvesting unbeknownst from the grid or "other" ?? we shall see ??

Reiyuki	Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave - Additional Materials « Reply #6 on: 2019-09-12, 15:09:55 »
Group: Mad Scientist Full Member Posts: 185	Eric Dollard has some papers related to this phenomena that may prove useful for people researching this field. Theory of Wireless Power: http://ericpdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/theory_of_wireless_power_eric_dollard.pdf Transmission and Reception of Telluric Waves: http://gestaltreality.com/downloads/The%20Transmission%20and%20Reception%20of%20Telluric%20Waves%20-%20N6KPH%20-%20collected%20posts.pdf It would appear these telluric systems operate predominantly through displacement currents and impulses rather than conventionally radiated electro-magnetic waves. As the dielectric losses of the Earth are potentially lower than the resistive losses, a higher-efficiency transmission would appear to be possible. The propagation velocity of such a system would also be difficult to determine since the Coulomb force is considered to be a scalar with no defined velocity. --------------------------- When you say something is impossible, you have made it impossible

Chet K	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #7 on: 2019-09-17, 12:02:48 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4045	a build topic on this subject is to be started at Stefans with member [and moderator] Gotoluc hosting. the goal being a working Zenneck "far field" transmitter [Courum 2007]. can transmit energy for thousands of miles ?? it is said that this evolved into Tariels "direct access" Zenneck interface receiver [no transmitter required]. this Zenneck interface area is said to have amounts of energy beyond explanation or unlimited ?? this is _new news_ and a remarkable claim. nothing but Gratitude here. MuDped yes ELF seems a big part of this. Reiyuki , thank you for the contributions . « Last Edit: 2019-09-17, 13:22:08 by Chet K »

Smudge	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #8 on: 2019-09-17, 16:39:17 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 1940	Don't know if this helps but I find in my archives the following paper about Zenneck Waves. I note that the Zenneck wave occurs at the boundary between two different materials and requires the permittivity of one of the materials to be either negative or to have an imaginary component. If the earth is that material then it requires its permittivity to be either negative (which it isn't) or to have an imaginary component which is equivalent to saying it is lossy (which it is). Smudge ------------------------ On surface electromagnetic waves.pdf (93 kB - downloaded 125 times.)

PhysicsProf	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #9 on: 2019-09-18, 02:52:10 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Quote from: Smudge on 2019-09-17, 16:39:17 Don't know if this helps but I find in my archives the following paper about Zenneck Waves. I note that the Zenneck wave occurs at the boundary between two different materials and requires the permittivity of one of the materials to be either negative or to have an imaginary component. If the earth is that material then it requires its permittivity to be either negative (which it isn't) or to have an imaginary component which is equivalent to saying it is lossy (which it is). Smudge Very interesting paper, Smudge - thank you!

JimBoot	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #10 on: 2019-09-28, 10:50:16 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	https://youtu.be/cuf0zRYwJak Apparently viziv is already doing it? http://vizivtechnologies.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFiW2lqdnlM edit: Everyone was already aware of this mob Sorry late to convo. « Last Edit: 2019-09-30, 04:38:06 by JimBoot »

Allcanadian	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #11 on: 2019-09-30, 05:18:40 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Watching the video and you have to admit it's pretty darn cool that Tesla's claim was true... the present may be there's but the future is mine. Politicians and corporations have a limited lifespan but a good idea, a concept is eternal. Also strange that there is little or no mention of Nikola Tesla in the video or on the website. They do understand that Tesla perfected this system before most of them were even born don't they?... lol. --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

muDped	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #12 on: 2019-09-30, 07:17:32 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Both videos; The Texas Tower and Emerging Energy Technologies, are very informative. Will the Texas Tower have success in the stated objective of beaming power to distant locations? I am skeptical and doubtful. Will the Texas Tower create an atmospheric channel of conductivity to discharge some of the Sun Powered Atmospheric Capacitor? I believe so. It may experience the same sort of power surges that Tesla experienced with his work in Colorado. Hopefully, the Texas Tower will have the ability to transform the Energy Surge from the Atmospheric Capacitor into Electrical Power suitable for use by the People. That will be a very great challenge. One of the speakers mentioned the dilemma in Germany where the Political sector, which is heavily influenced by Corrupt Corporations, made what seems now a wrong decision. Sadly, in America, that Political Power of Corruption is even stronger and may put the kerbosh on dreams of abundant, carbon free, low cost energy. The Love of Money Corrupt Corporations will be "the deciders." --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Allcanadian	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #13 on: 2019-09-30, 17:14:26 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2735	Strangely enough I had a similar setup on my bench this spring. Note the large fiberglass tower with the large top load as well as the second skinny tower with a torus top load. The second tower is the trigger for the first tower as well as being part of the feedback loop. However what is not seen and rarely mentioned is the extra coil(s) which helps produce a high magnitude Solition wave. In my opinion the Zenneck wave is a red herring so the Corum brothers and Viziv can distance themselves from the discovery first made by Nikola Tesla. The upside is that Nikola Tesla already has prior art and patents to support his claims so anyone can replicate and commercialize this system. I wonder if the Corum brothers informed all their investors of this fact... I'm going to guess not. I may have to dust off some equipment and start my own company if this thing looks like it's going to take off, hmm. Personally I can't see it happening any time soon because the utilities have a trillion dollars or so invested in antiquated transmission line systems. Everyone is still throwing up more towers and more wires all over the place as we speak. It's kind of comical that there idea of "common sense" is to keep building more and more towers and wires until the whole planet is probably covered in them. Common sense?... right. So it should be understood this is not just an ordinary Tesla coil with a feedback loop and most skilled in the art know that this will not produce the wave properties required. I have built many Tesla coils with and without feedback and they cannot produce the desired effects alone without additional components. As always one has to actually build these devices and test them and also learn to follow directions from the persons who actually invented the technology. --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

PhysicsProf	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #14 on: 2019-10-01, 03:41:16 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2019-09-30, 17:14:26 Strangely enough I had a similar setup on my bench this spring. ... I may have to dust off some equipment and start my own company if this thing looks like it's going to take off, hmm. Why not dust the equipment off right away and see/show us whether your setup really "works"? Why wait? --> I give the same challenge to myself, incidentally - on a different technology I've been working on, set aside for awhile, need to get back to it pronto!

JimBoot	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #15 on: 2019-10-01, 13:18:19 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Their omission was glaring. For more watch stivep1 (Wesley ) on yt. Some good info. I’ve dusted off my coils Steve. My circuit has a transistor and two coils. Sometimes a resistor. I like to keep it simple

PhysicsProf	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #16 on: 2019-10-02, 13:05:35 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Quote from: JimBoot on 2019-10-01, 13:18:19 Their omission was glaring. For more watch stivep1 (Wesley ) on yt. Some good info. I’ve dusted off my coils Steve. My circuit has a transistor and two coils. Sometimes a resistor. I like to keep it simple Keep us informed, Jim! (Also, pls provide link to one of Wesley's yt vids.)

conradelektro	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #17 on: 2019-10-02, 16:52:24 »
Jr. Member Posts: 90	There seems to be no OU effect. The idea is to transmit electric power over wider distances than efficiently possible by induction. But there are always losses, like with induction. Greetings, Conrad

lost_bro	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #18 on: 2019-10-02, 21:42:40 »
Sr. Member Posts: 281	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019-10-02, 13:05:35 (Also, pls provide link to one of Wesley's yt vids.) Good day PhysicsProf; Here is the latest from Wesley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTLfnMOSqQ It deals with the Zenneck wave, etc. take care, peace lost_bro

JimBoot	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #19 on: 2019-10-03, 10:35:27 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Quote from: conradelektro on 2019-10-02, 16:52:24 There seems to be no OU effect. The idea is to transmit electric power over wider distances than efficiently possible by induction. But there are always losses, like with induction. Greetings, Conrad Lucs experiment atm is to show one wire transfer of power without a return path. He has eliminated wireless capacitance by placing his generator in a faraday cage. Wesley explains a lot in the vids.

T-1000	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #20 on: 2019-10-05, 12:20:40 »
Sr. Member Posts: 375	Hi guys, As this keeps coming back, I can share my guess what "activation" process is. First at all no closed loop circuit can produce more energy than primary energy source puts in. But this is not a case when it is mixed with open circuit which is interacting with ambient. So, starting with small step one - when you run Tesla coil off the battery it still have sparking to the ground, right? This is where secondary power source becomes apparent and all you need is just to amplify effect. Basically this is part of "activation" process, simple as all Nature is. Moving to step two - have Avramenko plug for charge separation on single wire and connect Tesla coil primary to it over capacitor discharge with interrupter(rotary/magnetic spark gap in Tesla days). The secondary ground connection is the second wire to the circuit. What it makes essentially is capacitor to the primary power source which separates the rest of circuit from it. But because of coils used as capacitor plates it also have inductance so with the charges discharging to the primary from Avramenko plug you will still have power output on the secondary. The beauty of that is, it is already electrostatic arrangement between air and ground and is quite straight forward when you start attracting ions from surrounding air and electrons from ground then create dipole. Which can power your loads. P.S> this was already done back in 2010 Lithuania Experiment by me, Aidas and Wesley (as reporter) - https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg539481/#msg539481 Good luck!

JimBoot	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #21 on: 2019-10-11, 12:17:45 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	I’ve dusted off some old coils and circuit which is just a mje3055t and a 2.4k resistor. I’m trying to understand why I get “better” results by using an antique ac/dc power supply . Dc is actually half rectified ac. The rectifier is not familiar to me. It measures 6vdc on a dmm, uses about 80ma measured by an analogue panel meter. My normal dc power supply at 12vdc using 140ma does not produce anywhere near the plasma or field. I’d like to understand why that is the case. I can’t get the same effect with modern ac stepdown transformers and a power diode. ------------------------ Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave BA04387B-0CA6-45A9-AAA8-0EE2DAC8B820.jpeg (3180.61 kB, 4032x3024 - viewed 371 times.)

muDped	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #22 on: 2019-10-11, 18:25:25 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Quote from: JimBoot I’d like to understand why that is the case. I can’t get the same effect with modern ac stepdown transformers and a power diode. Hmmm. There must be an explanation. Old is better? Mysteries are good exercises for the brain. --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

JimBoot	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #23 on: 2019-10-14, 07:25:05 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	I'm thinking it may have to do with the way they are grounded but will have to destroy one to find out

JimBoot	Re: Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave « Reply #24 on: 2019-10-16, 09:35:06 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	A weird half rectifier. Be interested reading about this but not sure what it’s called. 15ac in 12v half rectified ac out. The rectifier seems to over heat and a thermal switch throws. ------------------------ Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave 3C837B7F-BC01-4FE5-BEA8-1626F5961C78.jpeg (27.7 kB, 320x240 - viewed 257 times.) Experimental and Theoretical Realization of Zenneck Wave 8EE0F9FD-D2D8-4D63-A4CE-658E929393E6.jpeg (22.36 kB, 320x240 - viewed 245 times.)

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