Ten pages that you started Brad. I didn't start any discussion here, you guys did.
Now you are lying by saying not a hint. I said I only can back up something in the real world. I have done that repeatedly over many years. That is more than a hint, and you know it.
This whole forum has never yet answered my questions as a newcomer. You heap all this abuse upon someone that is still trying to figure out what you even intend here. You have not explained to me how it even works because no one has actually gone through the process yet of presenting a claim and providing confirmation. Maybe because there is no possible way to confirm anything after all. That could be because you never intend for anything to go through. Or actually, it is because it is impossible to prove any OU claim over the Internet. You are all so upset because I have exposed this. Notice the energy you have given. You flip flop back and for Brad. You are an unstable person. First you condemn me without even talking to me. Then you apologize and invite me back here. Then you support F6 in his ludicrous self-contradictions even after I exposed them. Then you dramatically exit this thread. Then you come back all fired up. Why is that? If there was nothing here then you guys would not put so much energy into trying to suppress me with every fallacy in the book. Clearly a coordinated effort across two forums. It has bottomed out to the point of embarrassment. Think about people. All this high emotion about an information exchange. The intensity is very revealing that you know it is true and want to suppress it at all costs. You only prove what you seek to disprove. The only things that can be proven in this respect: That you cannot prove or disprove OU claims over the Internet, and that you are trying to suppress that fact and the information I have shared. This is self-evident from what you have displayed so far.
So explain to me why you think that someone can provide some kind of proof to you along these lines over the Internet. A schematic doesn't prove anything. There is no context in a schematic. A piece of paper shown in a picture or video of some company saying something doesn't prove anything to anyone. How did you ever think that you could transfer the real world to people over the internet, or even to yourself from someone else? Even if you prove something to yourself, what then? Are you the authority that tells everyone to believe it now? Does the forum then have the right to say it has been proven? Is it a certain number of people typing so? How do you know anyone else is real unless you met them? This is all so ridiculous. You guys just assume that pictures and videos and words can actually communicate proof. Then you rail on someone for not doing that, when it is actually impossible. What I have done is shown you that and you hate me for that.
As for 10 pages, well you all engaged in it didn't you. You all asked me questions and I answered them. You all took the opportunity to make your own counter claims that you did not even try and prove. But everything falls upon me for some reason, even as I am still trying to figure out what you all even want and how things work here. You are so upset about your own forum and your own participation. You started this thread Brad. You left and came back. You guys violate the rules in multiple ways, but then want me to conform to something that doesn't even make sense. You have never explained how I can prove something is OU to this forum over the Internet. Nice trick you try and pull. Clever way to suppress free energy technology. Deny the possibility of it. This is either intentional free energy suppress or just a revelation that no one every even thought this whole thing through and you all just jumped into this with the vague notion that you could possibly prove something over the internet. Well this has been a reality check and you don't like that. Suddenly we have to leave the fiction movie world and realize that real life is not that.
Schematics cannot be verified over the Internet. Prove that claim Brad.
Links and third party data over the Internet cannot prove anything. Prove that claim Brad.
You have chosen not to prove either of these Brad.
"In fact,there is not one shred of evidence provided by yourself that in any way verifies your claims of" this Brad.
"The only thing we have had from you" Brad is "nothing" useful, or even helpful in explaining how this forum works.
You are foolish to put your trust in anyone just as you were foolish to believe what you did against me in the first place. You need to deal with your own problems before you continue to attack other people.
There you go making more claims against OU claims without proving that. Who made you the judge? Why is anyone supposed to just take those claims against others as authoritative? Why is your mere verbal disproof claim against someone else supposed to be accepted as proven but positive claims are not? This is foolish. It is just slander without any evidence at all. When I exposed John and Arron I brought you the with physical evidence you can verify to yourself. I showed their own websites, and their own words to back up my specific claims. But you slander what you don't even know, by your own admission. You have lost your credibility Brad. You are unstable as I mentioned. You pride yourself as belonging to a forum that has rules that you don't even abide by and that is not moderated. That allows slander and unjustified claims up and down. Then you want to jump over someone you invite here when they simply answer the questions asked. This is more than delusional and contradictory, it looks like suppression of free energy information. Your anger and response are in proportion to the truths I have shared, especially exposing the fallacy of expecting to prove something like this, or disproving it in the same way, over the Internet. I was just speaking with one of your followers who has carefully watched and preserved all of your videos. I said that I had hopped for better things from you. He was very disappointed in your actions here. So it shows what you are really about. You have no relish for doing real science in the real world, but merely want everyone to exist in the fantasy Internet world.
See how upset you are? You have gone from an information sharing experience, which is all the Internet forums can be, to a threat of filing a lawsuit. I am not soliciting anything here. I'm not looking for verification or any sort. I have been doing opensourcing for 27 years, first with free books I have republished on disks before the internet, and then I have freely put them out. Then I did the same with free energy research.
As for false pretenses, that is what I am wondering about several of you. You want to make everything about me when I am not pushing anything. You are actually the one pushing something. And you may have false pretenses in this matter.
"So perhaps it is time for you to come clean in one way or another."
You see it actually applies to you. Please justify your demands.
"OU device's". I don't think you understand how OU works. It works with your local environment. You can have a solar panel but unless you have the sun in the proper relationship with the panels then you have now OU. With a battery system the batteries are half the system, along with the connections. I have never sold batteries before. That is why the energizers are only OU systems with all the essential parts under the right conditions (like at minus 60C you would have problems with the batteries).
"We can do it under your guidance and instruction--but either way,it is time that you provide the proof required to back up those claims of OU"
Since when can anyone prove OU to another person over the Internet? You have never explained this, nor as this forum even explored that as it seems from what you are saying. It's time for you to prove to us that you are really Brad! You guys avoid answering that question about how you can actually prove something here. You are directly promoting both credulity and incredulity. I prove things in the real world. Even if something is proven, a person still can refuse to believe it. I have never pushed OU on anyone. I freely give information and many have been thankful for that. I probably have over 10,000 detailed thank yous. I don't need a bunch of hypocritical slanderers to say the same. lol You just don't take the time to listen Brad. Because that isn't you.
"--and no,we do not want anymore endless post's or excuses." So answer the question or do what you said you were doing and go elsewhere. So far you have not been very helpful and have not justified all your claims you have made on these 10 pages.
"A simple yes or no will do just fine,so as we all know as to what kind of person we are dealing with here."
This is a Loaded question fallacy. I'll ask you to answer this with a simple answer: Have you stopped being prejudiced? I don't want any explination. Just answer yes or no. "we do not want anymore endless post's or excuses."
Well,nearly 10 pages so far,and not a hint of anything to back up the claim of OU--lots of talk though.
So here is how it works here at OUR Rick--and you know this,but have chosen to ignore the guidelines of this forum.
Those guidelines are that no claim of OU is to be made without first having verification of the claim.
This you have not provided.
You could also submit a schematic of 1 of your many claimed OU device's,so as it can be replicated and verified.
This you have chosen not to do either.
You could provide links or data gathered from a third party to help verify your claims of OU
You have also chosen not to do this either.
In fact,there is not one shred of evidence provided by yourself that in any way verifies your claims of OU.
There is also nothing out of the ordinary with any of your devices that we can see that would bring forth the creation of energy.
The only thing we have had from you Rick,is nothing but endless post's--some of which are the longest i have ever seen on this forum.
When i invited(or organised to have you invited)here,it was to give you the chance to show us that you were not like the likes of Bedini,Aaron,Lindermann,and the likes. I gave you my apology because you told me you were not like them,and i put my trust in you that you were speaking the truth.
But as has it,it is very clear that you are exactly the same as the above mentioned,where you promote devices and kits with the claim of OU behind them,and then market those kit's to make an income. This is exactly what the likes of Bedini,Aaron,and lindermann did,and still do. They sell books,video's,and kit's that never deliver the secrets or OU as claimed-->this is exactly what you are doing.
If i buy one of your kit's that you sell under the OU claim,and it dose not deliver as you claim,then you are also liable for a law suit,which would be the selling and distribution of a product under false pretenses-->fraud in other word's.
So perhaps it is time for you to come clean in one way or another.
Perhaps deliver to us just 1 of the claimed 15 OU device's,so as we can test and confirm your claim's--if those claims turn out to be true.
We can do it under your guidance and instruction--but either way,it is time that you provide the proof required to back up those claims of OU--and no,we do not want anymore endless post's or excuses.
A simple yes or no will do just fine,so as we all know as to what kind of person we are dealing with here.
Brad
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