Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method

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F6FLT

Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « on: 2019-03-26, 12:39:53 »

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From various thoughts and questions recently addressed on ou.com, where all my posts are now moderated because I criticized the nonsense of stivep, I came to the conclusion that:

no overunity machine has ever been demonstrated
all the machines we have seen so far are either scams (the vast majority), measurement errors, or delusional interpretations of conventional phenomena
most of the forums dedicated to overunity are sites to make money (energetic, ou.com). Here we are in one of the few exceptions.
in "make money forums", there are interesting research topics and competent and disinterested contributors, but they are a minority.
in "make money forums", most contributors are manipulated. They are encouraged to believe, to bloat the least experiment to provide an attractive dream for others like them, and to be loyal to the "preachers", who are favored by the administrators of these sites, who make the buzz of free energy by commenting on the scams, and who claim to explain the machines and know their secrets without ever having presented any proof that they work.
in "make money forums", rational and critical argumentation is censored because it is opposed to the dream that attracts people that these sites exploit either through direct sales of products or through frequentation paid for by advertising revenues
for 20 years (I put the craze for free energy at the end of the 90s), no progress has been made in the field and this can easily be explained
unlike conventional science, or even DIY, no progress is possible because the method is deplorable: you should believe instead of selecting and eliminating. So we learn nothing from our failures, the newcomers take back old ideas and machines and recycle the same nonsense forever.
no progress is possible also for another reason, as a consequence of the previous points. By encouraging people to believe rather than challenge "inventions", we drive away the most competent and innovative. The young engineer or physicist visiting ou.com or some other forums like that must think he came a site of cranks and uneducated people, not because the ideas would be unconventional and on the fringes of science, which I think would interest them more, but because most of them are stupid or childish. The level is indeed far too low and a matter of faith instead of rationality, because it is the result of the choices of their administrators, favouring the non-competent and the storytellers, far more numerous than those who can really contribute something.

I do not see any progress possible without a radical change.
Here we do not have the concern of "make money" or attendance, but there are still points for improvement of the method.

The first is to assert that any machine claimed to be overunity is, unless proven otherwise, a scam or a mistake. So all of them have been so far. This will prevent us from working backwards in the name of the absurd idea that our duty would be to demonstrate or verify that such a machine would have overunity when we do not have the burden of proof.
The second, which results from this, is to detach oneself from the idle references found on the "make money forums" or on youtube or on all these sites as rexresearch that I have quoted myself
The third is to reconnect with "real" science, and to assert that any apparently scientific alternative theory (there are hundreds of them) is a children's tale or pure idiocy as long as it does not present any experiment capable of verifying its predictions with data, predictions that will have to differ from conventional theories.
Finally, it is not a question of dwelling on what conventional science has taught us, but of going beyond that, that is to say, it is in science that we must situate ourselves, but on the fringe, to try to see what is beyond the edge of the known.
Given the work that I appreciate from some here, work that is both marginal but experimentally meticulous and with a theoretical logic, this is what has already been done, I think we just need to continue and generalize the method.

Everyone is of course free to do what they want, and even if I have a little hope of influence, I only present here my analysis and opinion, not even a draft charter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tmVk9gPiiM

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #1 on: 2019-03-26, 13:30:46 »

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I am in total* agreement with what you have expressed, F6FLT, very well stated.

I also enjoy watching "Skeptical Open Mind" from time to time, he really nails it and always has creative, preposterous devices to drive home the scams. The comical presentation is a welcome relief to the seriousness of the topic.

He really ripped the SM TPU, which was very funny, notwithstanding the major presentation errors on this device

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I enjoy many other FE comic relief items on his channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPf2D6MOco

You best stated it here:

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Finally, it is not a question of dwelling on what conventional science has taught us, but of going beyond that, that is to say, it is in science that we must situate ourselves, but on the fringe, to try to see what is beyond the edge of the known.

And I would add in another way, to think outside the box, it is a good idea to first know and understand what is inside the box.

Thanks for your thoughtful input.

*with perhaps only a few minor exceptions, not worth debating.

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #2 on: 2019-03-26, 15:22:44 »

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It's only a matter of finding the energy source and establish right theory which can be proved or disproved. I see why it is so difficult to do that and it's exactly why Tesla neved published his discovery he mentioned in 1931. He was involved in an kind of game between various intelligence agencies. Because such discovery can also be probably weaponized (like Tesla's "death ray" ).

ion	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #3 on: 2019-03-27, 00:57:42 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	In my earlier post I stated that "Skeptical Open-Mind" had a few misrepresentations of Steven Mark's TPU in his video: Quote He really ripped the SM TPU, which was very funny, notwithstanding the major presentation errors on this device . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPf2D6MOco I feel it necessary to point out some of the errors and misrepresentations in SO-M's video reveal. 1) The most glaring error is: the lamps were not wired in parallel, rather they were in the actual device, wired in series to accommodate the 830 volts DC output of Steven Mark's device. Ten 100 Watt lamps were used in SM's rather than 5 parallel in SO-M version. 2) The lemons in the center of the device is just wrong, rather they were CMC parts from an industrial grade lemon juicer. This is what happens when real information gets corrupted as it trickles down the grapevine. 3) Of lesser importance is the vibrator toy in erect position in the center of the device, near the wrongly identified lemons. Word has it from an official source that the toy was not in fact so placed in plain sight, but rather concealed safely out of sight in the plastic enclosure under the CMC's. Naturally this produced the alleged vibration witnessed by many. 4) The batteries clearly seen in the toy device, were only used for startup, as everyone knows you cannot power up ten 100 Watt lamps with three "C" cells. This is common sense. 5) No witnesses were present to experience the washboard effect of SO-M's device as this effect was not mentioned or demonstrated. 6) When SO-M camera pans under the table, we see a carpet pushed close to the leg of the bedroom table, concealing the line cord that runs under the rug and up the table leg. We see no such carpet in SM's video!!. BTW, SM's table was not modern, rather he preferred Provincial, and it was a dining room table, another significant error. Well that's all I've got for now. I'll report in when clearer video's of SO-M's device emerge. Regards « Last Edit: 2019-03-27, 04:01:24 by ion » --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #4 on: 2019-03-27, 06:53:45 »

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If SM had actually showed measurements of the Device Output
Voltage and Current while under load the videos would have
been much more convincing.

I'd not seen any of Skeptic's vids before. Thanks for the link.
It is good to get a good laugh every now and then...

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F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #5 on: 2019-03-27, 11:27:20 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: ion on 2019-03-26, 13:30:46 ... I also enjoy watching "Skeptical Open Mind" from time to time, he really nails it and always has creative, preposterous devices to drive home the scams. The comical presentation is a welcome relief to the seriousness of the topic. He really ripped the SM TPU, which was very funny, notwithstanding the major presentation errors on this device . I enjoy many other FE comic relief items on his channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPf2D6MOco Hi Ion, Very relevant video. And excellent device, it's true that two kiwis can be very energetic! Hilarious I didn't know him before I posted it. I was just looking for skeptical views on free energy after I realized that only money could motivate so many people to waste so much time creating deceptive experiments and videos, they couldn't do it just for fun or by egocentrism or mistake. Quote ... And I would add in another way, to think outside the box, it is a good idea to first know and understand what is inside the box. ... I had forgotten this essential point of good sense that I have already thought about, you can't innovate without knowing the old one, I agree with you 100%. Thanks. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #6 on: 2019-03-27, 11:34:58 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: forest on 2019-03-26, 15:22:44 It's only a matter of finding the energy source and establish right theory which can be proved or disproved ... Hi Forest, Before you do anything, the first thing is to check the facts. If there are no facts, if the facts are ordinary and explained in a conventional way, or if the facts are unverifiable, there is nothing to do, since there is no matter. You can move on to the next topic. It is only after careful measurements of apparent overunity that the energy source should be sought, not before. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #7 on: 2019-03-27, 11:53:25 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: muDped on 2019-03-27, 06:53:45 If SM had actually showed measurements of the Device Output Voltage and Current while under load the videos would have been much more convincing. Hi muDped I agree. We need facts with data first. Quote I'd not seen any of Skeptic's vids before... Me too. It was the fact that I was fired from ou.com that finally made me realize that these sites do not seek free energy but exploit credulity about it. So I thought that other people must have understood it before me, and I looked for sceptical views. Fortunately, I am not alone. I think that without scepticism, we cannot move forward. Skepticism is not about doubting everything, but about finding the right balance, because as the mathematician Henri Poincaré said: "To doubt everything, or to believe everything, are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection" --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #8 on: 2019-03-27, 12:22:01 »

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F6flt
I am still out of town dealing with emergency at my friends facility there is more to this situation at Stephen’s I would not say you were fired but as I am trying to type on a tiny phone and very busy here it will have to wait till I get back this weekend

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #9 on: 2019-03-27, 13:32:56 »

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Quote from: Chet K on 2019-03-27, 12:22:01

F6flt
I am still out of town dealing with emergency at my friends facility there is more to this situation at Stephen’s I would not say you were fired but as I am trying to type on a tiny phone and very busy here it will have to wait till I get back this weekend

Hi Chet.

Member F6FLT has not been " fired " merely, warned and moderated by Stefan.

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F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #10 on: 2019-03-27, 14:48:26 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	@Chet and @Grumage, I didn't want to talk about that, but after what you said, I have to and I regret having to do it. My account is not deleted, but be aware of what happened. My messages are "moderated" for the reason I would "hammer" stivep, false accusation because my posts were only challenging what he said, not him personally. However none of the posts I have sent since the moderation have been published, although they were technical and not about stivep. It is de facto the same as an account deletion. But worse than an account deletion, is the fact that my posts are only published if they are previously accepted by the moderator (probably Hartmann or one of his henchmen), which prevents everyone from judging whether the censorship is legitimate or not, contrary to a moderation by a deletion after publication. How could I continue to post there? Should I agree to raise my hand as I did in primary school, or should I wait two or three days for a refusal because I would have said why explanations from stivep or other fake promoter are unscientific or for an acceptance when the post is no longer relevant in the discussion thread, and I would have worked for nothing? In fact, this moderation that Hartmann did not even have the courage to tell me personally but from an anonymous PM, is strictly equivalent to a deletion of an account and he knows it. On the substance it is worse, it is an infantilization and complete hypocrisy, unacceptable among free men unless you agree to be treated like a dog. So "I'm fired" is the right expression. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

ion	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #11 on: 2019-03-27, 15:11:18 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-27, 14:48:26 @Chet and @Grumage, I didn't want to talk about that, but after what you said, I have to and I regret having to do it. My account is not deleted, but be aware of what happened. My messages are "moderated" for the reason I would "hammer" stivep, false accusation because my posts were only challenging what he said, not him personally. However none of the posts I have sent since the moderation have been published, although they were technical and not about stivep. It is de facto the same as an account deletion. But worse than an account deletion, is the fact that my posts are only published if they are previously accepted by the moderator (probably Hartmann or one of his henchmen), which prevents everyone from judging whether the censorship is legitimate or not, contrary to a moderation by a deletion after publication. How could I continue to post there? Should I agree to raise my hand as I did in primary school, or should I wait two or three days for a refusal because I would have said why explanations from stivep or other fake promoter are unscientific or for an acceptance when the post is no longer relevant in the discussion thread, and I would have worked for nothing? In fact, this moderation that Hartmann did not even have the courage to tell me personally but from an anonymous PM, is strictly equivalent to a deletion of an account and he knows it. On the substance it is worse, it is an infantilization and complete hypocrisy, unacceptable among free men unless you agree to be treated like a dog. So "I'm fired" is the right expression. Dear F6FLT I also received a "smackdown" from Hartmann many years ago when I was posting under a different name there. I was guilty of exposing a fraud that was being perpetrated by one of the members / presenters. The website was garnering a lot of "hits and traffic" because of the fraud, I'm sure very good for Hartmann's advertisers. It saddened me that Hartmann would lower his standard to this degree, as he was once a somewhat serious researcher, and is certainly somewhat skilled in electronics. I only very rarely post there anymore, if at all, as I no longer support sites that monetize, a conflict of interest. Like you I am a skeptic, possibly to the extreme, but I really liked your quote: Quote "To doubt everything, or to believe everything, are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection" There is also a saying "be careful not to throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater" Sometimes the water can be muddied by less than honorable fellows. The real question and point of your thread is: How can we move forward in such a climate of scams and misrepresentations? We do need an improved charter or at least direction, as lately we have become immersed in vetting all the new slick advertising and promos of scams that are filling the many pages here. I don't expect much of forums these days as the focus on a given topic is short lived or soon derailed. Regards --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #12 on: 2019-03-27, 16:17:11 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: ion on 2019-03-27, 15:11:18 ... There is also a saying "be careful not to throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater" Sometimes the water can be muddied by less than honorable fellows. Regards Certainly we must not throw the baby, but I think we must stop being complacent with the polluters of water. They lock their sites so that especially those who make them allegiance or who are fooled by their stories can express themselves. They produce anything as long as it is sensational to attract people. But they need Youtube, and on Youtube they're not the masters. We can still be heard there, thanks to the comments. What I can't say on ou.com or on energetic forum, I express in youtube comments, for example about stivep's videos, we can say a lot more. Even if it is not our priority, which is rather the personal invention of free energy solutions, criticizing those that are obviously only products from polluters can be beneficial for water cleaning. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

ion	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #13 on: 2019-03-27, 17:10:56 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-27, 16:17:11 Certainly we must not throw the baby, but I think we must stop being complacent with the polluters of water. They lock their sites so that especially those who make them allegiance or who are fooled by their stories can express themselves. They produce anything as long as it is sensational to attract people. But they need Youtube, and on Youtube they're not the masters. We can still be heard there, thanks to the comments. What I can't say on ou.com or on energetic forum, I express in youtube comments, for example about stivep's videos, we can say a lot more. Even if it is not our priority, which is rather the personal invention of free energy solutions, criticizing those that are obviously only products from polluters can be beneficial for water cleaning. Well I'm all for the water cleaning when I have the time or feel strongly enough about a given false claim to critique it. Unfortunately time is running out for some of us, so we do not have the effort left to police the other forums and youtube videos. Also unfortunate are the new generations of young viewers that fall prey to all the scams and waste their precious time chasing them. I wish I could save them from their folly, I sympathize with their plight but it is not my job, as I am now busy saving myself from my own follies. I think the new wave of scams that appear will eventually dilute the free energy search to the point where nothing seen will be believed, due to the disappointment of replicators. Hopefully this will raise the bar to where it should have been in the first place, and produce new waves of extreme skeptics that will busy themselves with debunking the false claims. It will be the natural reaction, a cleansing. As for the zealots that lock themselves into their echo chambers of folly, maybe that is also good, keeping them from crowding out with their noise the less traveled path that we must take. I view those forums as holding tanks for the uninitiated. Therefore I think the situation will right itself in time, when enough wallets have been emptied, and time has been wasted, there will be a new due diligence to be applied to any claim, a strong skeptical reaction force will be created. From the I Ching (roughly): "When inferior men multiply and grow in numbers, it sometimes becomes necessary that the superior man withdraw from the situation" Regards « Last Edit: 2019-03-27, 17:39:03 by ion » --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

muDped	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #14 on: 2019-03-27, 17:52:37 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	P.T. Barnum is reputed to have said it some decades ago and it remains true to this day. Hollywood has shown us too that there can be big money in fantasy and fiction. The political climate in America has long been based upon the power of the lie and sophisticated methods of deception. It's not surprising that numerous forums operate from the same business model. There is no room for Truth in such enterprises. Caveat Emptor. --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #15 on: 2019-03-27, 19:53:12 »

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Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-26, 12:39:53

From various thoughts and questions recently addressed on ou.com, where all my posts are now moderated because I criticized the nonsense of stivep,...

That is deplorable

F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #16 on: 2019-03-29, 10:18:53 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: ion on 2019-03-27, 17:10:56 ... From the I Ching (roughly): "When inferior men multiply and grow in numbers, it sometimes becomes necessary that the superior man withdraw from the situation" Regards In the Enlightenment, philosophers and cultured people thought they could raise everyone's level through education, in the context of humanism. This worked in the 19th and 20th centuries, the people trusted the intellectual elites and tried to keep up, for example by taking an interest in science. Then came the Internet, which could have been a formidable vehicle for knowledge and the advancement of ideas. Unfortunately it has become the propaganda tool of opinion and conspiracy theories of the mediocre who are now unable to identify the intellectual elites or who believe they are their equals or who reject them all. The mediocre speak to the mediocre who recognize themselves in the discourse, and mediocrity progresses in a snowball effect that stifles everything. Perhaps we will have a threshold effect, because any excess in one direction ends up producing an opposite movement, but we do not yet see the sign. I Ching may be right, even if withdrawing does not go in the direction of humanist progress. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

ion	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #17 on: 2019-03-29, 13:58:09 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	From F6FLT: (Regarding the internet and especially also to forums): Quote Unfortunately it has become the propaganda tool of opinion and conspiracy theories of the mediocre who are now unable to identify the intellectual elites or who believe they are their equals or who reject them all. The mediocre speak to the mediocre who recognize themselves in the discourse, and mediocrity progresses in a snowball effect that stifles everything. I agree Quote Perhaps we will have a threshold effect, because any excess in one direction ends up producing an opposite movement, but we do not yet see the sign. I Ching may be right, even if withdrawing does not go in the direction of humanist progress. Withdraw, while appearing to be abandoning the field to the inferior (mediocre) may be a form of constructive retreat. Best probably that the superior men gather together in solidarity to protect themselves from the slings and arrows of the inferior rather than wearing themselves out through constant engagement, especially when they are severely outnumbered. Bad science by certain individuals will right itself eventually, when the proponents of it wear themselves out and empty their own (and others) wallets pursuing ideas which were flawed at the very foundation. We need not engage in that sandbox. "The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" Wm Blake --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

muDped	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #18 on: 2019-03-29, 18:50:02 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Quote from: Ion Bad science by certain individuals will right itself eventually... That is very true. For the "individual." Sadly, when Corporations adopt deceptive Bad Science to enhance their Bottom Line without concern for the People and their welfare, the likelihood of "righting" is greatly reduced. Corporations, with their power of Big Money, find numerous ways to protect their Bad Science while accusing all who protest with Truth of being Conspiracy Theorists. Such is our World today. Even Governments are now Corporations who are in the business of Doing Business and especially, in the case of America, Doing Empire. The War on Truth has produced many casualties. Even so, we never lose Hope. Change is on the way. --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

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Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #19 on: 2019-03-30, 17:10:35 »

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Good points, MuDped.
For example, I see alternatives to chemotherapy - which evidently work. But many of these alternatives are ILLEGAL in the US, whereas chemo is pushed - and very expensive (i.e., lucrative).

PhysicsProf	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #20 on: 2019-03-30, 17:11:57 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3030	With regard to alt-energy, I think proton + metal reactions look very promising, as I've said (in some detail) before.

F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #21 on: 2019-03-31, 13:43:38 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019-03-30, 17:10:35 Good points, MuDped. For example, I see alternatives to chemotherapy - which evidently work. But many of these alternatives are ILLEGAL in the US, whereas chemo is pushed - and very expensive (i.e., lucrative). In the United States, everything that works is used to make money. It is more profitable and easy for some to recover and exploit real solutions than for others or the same ones, to make them disappear. If they are not deployed, it is because they do not work or are insufficient (such as diet). Steve McQueen learned the "alternatives" the hard way. I did not open this thread for the promotion of the principle of conspiracy theories, on the contrary. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

PhysicsProf	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #22 on: 2019-03-31, 13:58:43 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3030	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-31, 13:43:38 In the United States, everything that works is used to make money. It is more profitable and easy for some to recover and exploit real solutions than for others or the same ones, to make them disappear. If they are not deployed, it is because they do not work or are insufficient (such as diet). Steve McQueen learned the "alternatives" the hard way. I did not open this thread for the promotion of the principle of conspiracy theories, on the contrary. What are you calling "conspiracy theories"?

F6FLT	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #23 on: 2019-04-01, 10:37:22 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2158	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019-03-31, 13:58:43 What are you calling "conspiracy theories"? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory Example: "chemotherapies are expensive, so they are pushed while low-cost alternatives are avoided" instead of "chemotherapies are the only ones that are really effective, so they are used instead of dubious alternatives". The first assertion is (at least) a fallacy of the single cause. Most conspiracy theories are of this nature, including all those that claim to explain why free energy inventions are not exploited. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

PhysicsProf	Re: Eliminate 99.99% of overunity to move forward, question of method « Reply #24 on: 2019-04-01, 13:58:55 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3030	F6: "chemotherapies are the only ones that are really effective, so they are used instead of dubious alternatives". Are you really saying that "chemotherapies are the only ones that are really effective"?? Seriously?