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Smudge	Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « on: 2019-03-06, 16:50:21 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1940	As there has been some recent interest in propagation times in magnetic cores here is a possibility for a free running magnetic motor. This uses a sequence of coils connected to capacitors to create a magnetic transmission line yielding much greater time delay than that due to domain wall movement. With such a delay line between the rotating magnet and a capacitively loaded coil the theory predicts free running once the revs have reached a high enough level. As in all things the losses in the coils and capacitors could make this impracticable, but if anyone is interested in giving it a try please feel free to do so. P.S. If I have posted this before please ignore it. At my age I lose sight of my recent past, but I can remember things from my youth quite clearly. Smudge ------------------------ Magnetic Delay plus Capacitive Loading.pdf (83.24 kB - downloaded 256 times.)

verpies	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #1 on: 2019-03-06, 23:05:33 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3499	So that unusual magnetic impedance (D) due to current in the capacitance is proportional to the second derivative of the flux ? Have you tried do do a single cycle analysis of this system (compared to the CW case) with idealized components (R=0, etc...) and 180º phase shift? I find it that in single-cycle analysis, the causality is easier to keep track of . Also, the empirical verification of some of your model would be easier if the MMF from the rotating magnet was simulated by a coil powered with AC of sufficient frequency. What back EMF would you expect in such coil? P.S. ^{You have a typo at the beginning of Section 4, namely: "The previous analysis did not taker account..."}

F6FLT	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #2 on: 2019-03-07, 11:12:45 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Smudge on 2019-03-06, 16:50:21 As there has been some recent interest in propagation times in magnetic cores here is a possibility for a free running magnetic motor. This uses a sequence of coils connected to capacitors to create a magnetic transmission line yielding much greater time delay than that due to domain wall movement. With such a delay line between the rotating magnet and a capacitively loaded coil the theory predicts free running once the revs have reached a high enough level. As in all things the losses in the coils and capacitors could make this impracticable, but if anyone is interested in giving it a try please feel free to do so. ... Smudge Theory cannot predict free running because classical physics theories guarantee energy conservation in a closed system. It is a question of pure logic and internal coherence of their formalism. If COP>1 and the extra energy source is not included in the analysis, for example the possible energy from the ZPE in which case the system is not closed, we can be sure that there is an error somewhere. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Smudge	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #3 on: 2019-03-08, 17:25:33 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1940	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-07, 11:12:45 Theory cannot predict free running because classical physics theories guarantee energy conservation in a closed system. It is a question of pure logic and internal coherence of their formalism. If COP>1 and the extra energy source is not included in the analysis, for example the possible energy from the ZPE in which case the system is not closed, we can be sure that there is an error somewhere. Exactly, and Prof Turtur showed that link to the ZPE. Smudge

F6FLT	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #4 on: 2019-03-08, 20:11:21 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Smudge on 2019-03-08, 17:25:33 Exactly, and Prof Turtur showed that link to the ZPE. Smudge He didn't. His electrostatic motors are full of biases, like the ionic wind. He takes references to Lutec, the Australian firm that in the early 2000s said it was developing a perpetual energy generator and promised it for 2004. We're still waiting for it! Turtur is not credible. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

Centraflow	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #5 on: 2019-03-08, 23:27:50 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-08, 20:11:21 He didn't. His electrostatic motors are full of biases, like the ionic wind. He takes references to Lutec, the Australian firm that in the early 2000s said it was developing a perpetual energy generator and promised it for 2004. We're still waiting for it! Turtur is not credible. The Lutec generator was sold for 6.5 million to an oil company and that's where it has stayed, I believe Tinman has all the details on that, and if you look up the granted patent it has been put in the oil companies name. Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

F6FLT	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #6 on: 2019-03-09, 09:54:28 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: Centraflow on 2019-03-08, 23:27:50 The Lutec generator was sold for 6.5 million to an oil company and that's where it has stayed... Please spare us the ridiculous conspiracy theories that come out every time an absurd machine checks Maxwell's electromagnetism by not working! --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

PhysicsProf	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #7 on: 2019-03-09, 13:50:21 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3017	Mike: "The Lutec generator was sold for 6.5 million to an oil company and that's where it has stayed, I believe Tinman has all the details on that, and if you look up the granted patent it has been put in the oil companies name." If the granted patent is now in an oil company's name, THAT is not a "conspiracy theory." Might be worth checking.

Grumage	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #8 on: 2019-03-09, 14:24:01 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 2765	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019-03-09, 13:50:21 Mike: "The Lutec generator was sold for 6.5 million to an oil company and that's where it has stayed, I believe Tinman has all the details on that, and if you look up the granted patent it has been put in the oil companies name." If the granted patent is now in an oil company's name, THAT is not a "conspiracy theory." Might be worth checking. Indeed..... The topic was discussed here recently. https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3131.msg50906#msg50906 --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Centraflow	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #9 on: 2019-03-09, 17:32:37 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2982	Quote from: Grumage on 2019-03-09, 14:24:01 Indeed..... The topic was discussed here recently. https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3131.msg50906#msg50906 Thanks Graham, could not find the thread in the time I had, and it was 6.8million quoted. I think just the patent put into the oil company name speaks for itself, either the supposed 6.8million was paid or a gun put to their head, I like to think of the first myself and along with a lot of legal tape. You have to ask yourself, why would the oil company bother if it did not work??? In the above thread I posted all the legal updates etc from the patents office. Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

Smudge	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #10 on: 2019-03-09, 18:46:35 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 1940	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-08, 20:11:21 Turtur is not credible. Forget his experimental motor, are you saying his explanation for how zpe energy can be extracted from the aether is also not credible? Smudge ------------------------ Turtur on Fundamental Basics of Vacuum-energy.pdf (690.46 kB - downloaded 230 times.)

F6FLT	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #11 on: 2019-03-09, 18:56:18 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	The oil industry knows that gasoline will end and is ready today to invest in new technologies to replace its business. Even if the generator was sold to an oil company, which has yet to be proven, the most plausible thing is that they were cheated. Such an invention can generate billions of dollars. Only 6.5 million is really ridiculous and discredits the idea that the invention worked and would have been suppressed. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

JimBoot	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #12 on: 2019-03-09, 22:54:09 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-03-09, 18:56:18 Only 6.5 million is really ridiculous and discredits the idea that the invention worked and would have been suppressed. You could equally argue the opposite. A few comments back you didn't believe it had happened and thought it a conspiracy. Now you know these things happen. The fact is these blokes were ridiculed and pilloried publicly after they appeared on the national evening news. Sustained attacks of hoax or ignorance were levelled. Then a subsidiary of Mobil Oil bought it and then filed a patent. 6.5mill was what was reported. So maybe ridiculous but we don't know the full deal. Just because you put a higher value on it doesn't mean it was that valuable at the time. Maybe the inventors were sick of ridicule and public attacks, any value it may have had was destroyed in public by claims of measurement error. Ever heard of Put Options?

ion	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #13 on: 2019-03-10, 00:06:51 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Hi jim You said: Quote 6.5mill was what was reported. Can you point to a reputable source for this? I would like to have those citations to include in my investigation of this device. Thanks in advance regards --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

JimBoot	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #14 on: 2019-03-10, 06:29:31 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1770	Quote from: ion on 2019-03-10, 00:06:51 Hi jim You said: Can you point to a reputable source for this? I would like to have those citations to include in my investigation of this device. Thanks in advance regards I believe it was in the Lutec thread.

F6FLT	Re: Magnetic motor using magnetic delay « Reply #15 on: 2019-03-10, 09:57:41 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 2072	Quote from: JimBoot on 2019-03-09, 22:54:09 You could equally argue the opposite. ... The big difference is that the burden of proof is only on the side of those who assert this conspiracy theory. Not only do they have to prove that Lutec was indeed bought by an oil company, but also that this company voluntarily eliminated this technology because it would work. These have nothing but rumours, so as one comedian said to some journalists: "when you know so little, you have the right to shut your mouth". --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

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