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TPU Continuum « on: 2019-02-03, 04:21:06 »

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Browsing through the many TPU thread's,it seems that the suggestion of starting another is the right way to go.

I believe the way forward is to first produce a transformer of such configuration where the primary side is not influenced in any way when a load is placed on the secondary side.

It has been said that the TPU may not work using standard electromagnetic induction,and that it could be some form of electrostatic acceleration of electrons.

Well i believe it is a form of electromagnetic induction,but which has a different configuration to that of what we use today. I believe that more attention needs to be paid toward a transformer,where the load placed across the secondary of that transformer has no effect what so ever on the primary side of that transformer.

The biggest problem is the magnetic field's between the primary and secondary interacting with each other,where the secondary produces a magnetic field equal to but also working against that produced by the primary.

So,the solution was to design and build a transformer where the secondary is induced by the primary,but where the magnetic field produce by the loaded secondary is at 90* to the field of the primary.

I am uploading the video ATM,but i will add two scope shots below for you to consider.

The secondary has a 1k pot,and a 1 ohm load resistor in series.
The pot is so as i can increase or decrease the load across the secondary from 1.001k down to just 1 ohm.

Scope shots
Yellow chanel (CH1) shows voltage across the 10,000uF input cap.
Blue chanel (CH2) shows the voltage across the 1 ohm CSR
Purple chanel (CH3) show the current through the 1 ohm load resistor,and secondary winding.

1st scope shot is with the full 1.001k ohm load across the secondary
2nd scope shot shows the pot turned right down,and so just the 1 ohm load across the secondary.

You will note that the load placed on the secondary has absolutely no effect what so ever on the primary.
As the current value and waveform remain the same in both cases,we can assume that the inductance value of the primary never changed when the load was increased across the secondary.
This would also indicate that the magnetic fields produced by the primary and secondary are indeed at 90* to each other,which is what i attempted to achieve in this test.

The configuration of this transformer is in the video to come.
I am now about to build a larger version of this transformer.

Brad

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #1 on: 2019-02-03, 04:54:03 »

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Hi Brad

Glad that you have started this thread.

Before you get too deep into it, please go to this link and scroll down to the "second report on energy device" and read it very carefully. I cannot stress more the importance of this.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=403.msg6311#msg6311

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TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #2 on: 2019-02-03, 05:40:14 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Quote from: ion on 2019-02-03, 04:54:03 Hi Brad Glad that you have started this thread. Before you get too deep into it, please go to this link and scroll down to the "second report on energy device" and read it very carefully. I cannot stress more the importance of this. http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=403.msg6311#msg6311 Regards Hi ION Im guessing you mean this one ?. I have read both reports many time's,more so the second one quoted below : Second report on Energy Device At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of an energy device" toroid" at my laboratory at the UCI campus. With me was John Sanchez who will act as an observer and Mr. Mark who will operate his device for the tests. The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond any known battery or storage device. In fact the inventor claims that his device will create electric power indefinitely as long as it is permitted to cool at intervals. Mr. Mark arrived promptly at 8:30 AM and wasted no time in permitting my examination of two units. The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72" across with an inside diameter hole of 3" making a core width approximately 1" thick. The unit was exactly 2" tall, resembling a "Toroid". I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand. Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note* I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady one-ampere, (ObS). We noted the time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS). We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and noted that it read 2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. This can probably be accounted for because the voltage as measured from the Toroid device is 137 volts and therefore 12 volts greater, generating a slight increase in light output over the incandescent light powered by the laboratory main power supply system. The toroid device did indeed provide the standard voltage and current necessary to provide electric lighting for a 120-volt circuit. The inventor then asked us for another bulb, which we provided him and he set about connecting the second bulb along with the first. The second bulb was connected in parallel to the first and did indeed light just as brightly as the first. I measured 137 volts now across the output just as before although the load had doubled and the impedance halved (ObS). I measured the current flowing to the two bulbs at just less then 2-amperes, (ObS). The inventor stated that the unit would provide the two amperes at 137 volts for several hours, if not indefinitely. We were cautioned that the unit while in operation would generate heat leading to self-destruction if not shut down and permitted to cool. He claimed that after cooling the unit could be restarted and used again over and over. We permitted the first unit to remain in operation and provide power for the two incandescent bulbs while we turned our attention to the second larger unit the inventor brought with him for testing. The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15" at the outside and 13" inside with a core thickness of approximately 1". The unit was 4" tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS). The inventor started the second larger unit in operation and cautioned myself and Mr. Sanchez not to touch the output leads from the device as they were at lethal potential. The time was 9:39 AM. The inventor measured the output leads and told us there was 600 volts potential at several amperes. He connected the unit to five 120 volt 100 watt incandescent light bulbs as provided by myself. The larger second unit did indeed brightly light the five incandescent bulbs brightly. These bulbs were wired in series. I measured the current through the wire connected to the 5-bulbs at 1.1 ampere, (ObS). I measured the voltage at 614 volts D.C., (ObS). The inventor then connected another five 120 volt light bulbs along with the first five making a total of ten 120 volt, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs lighting at equal intensity. I measured the light output with a luminescence meter at 2.43 each light bulb, (ObS). I did not measure the current but calculated it to be 2 amperes at 614 volts. I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, "no way." He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes. With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit. The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS). The inventor's claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question. The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch. The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes. Noted: 2-hours and 14 minutes, (ObS). The load of 2- amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period. I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability. The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation. It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes . Noted: 3-hours and 8 minutes, (ObS). The load of 10-amperes and the voltage of 614 volts did not change throughout the test with the exception that the voltage did began to fluctuate at 12:03 and began a slight decline to 598 volts by the end of the test. This could be due to heating of the unit while in operation. I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability. I cannot determine how many hours the toriod units could potentially operate because of our limited time available for testing. I can however state with relative certainty I believe the tests show great potential for this Toroid technology. December 12, 1995 Roland Schinzinger *note: (ObS) “also observed by John Sanchez”. Is there something in particular i am looking for?,other than the volume of power delivered to loads for such a long period of time. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #3 on: 2019-02-03, 07:58:50 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	So let's have a close look at that report by Roland Schinzinger Is Roland Schinzinger a trustworthy and honest man ? If so,then the TPU was the real deal. Quoting the report-->small device 1-At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of an energy device" toroid" at my laboratory at the UCI campus. Ok,so this rules out SM having some form of wireless energy transfer system at his home powering the devices,as the tests were carried out at the UCI campus. 2-With me was John Sanchez Not sure who this John Sanchez fellow is yet--is he an honest man ? 3-The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond any known battery or storage device. I think this will be answered as we go. 4-The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72" across with an inside diameter hole of 3" making a core width approximately 1" thick.The unit was exactly 2" tall, resembling a "Toroid". I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand. The shell was 1 inch thick,and 2 inches tall. This could house 9v batteries. The unit was extremely light. Well we have 137 volts measured across the lightbulb,so we would need 15 x 9v batteries to get our 137 volts. Now,the 9 volt battery will fit thickness wise and just in height wise,but what about within the circumference ? The outer diameter is 4.72 inches,which is 14.82 inches circumference<--this is the very outer circumference. So 15 x 9 volt batteries will not fit within the measurements of the device. There is also the fact that 15 9v batteries will not be extremely light. So with these size value's,batteries are out. 5- It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note* I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady one-ampere, (ObS). So we have 137 watts of power being dissipated by the bulb. 6-We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and noted that it read 2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. So the bulb is putting out slightly more light than the same bulb plugged into mains. No LED's at that time,and to much light for a CFL<--if they even had them back then ? 7-We noted the test start time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS). The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. So 2 hours and 14 minutes running a 137 watt load--->batteries are definitely out. Well,the weight size and power output over time of the small device tells us batteries are out-->no way in hell. The fact that the device was tested away from SMs home,and tests carried out at the UCI campus,tells us that any form of wireless energy is also out.Even in the controlled environment of SMs home,you would need one hell of a wireless energy transfer system to transmit and receive 137 watts of power back in 1995 over the distances shown,where the transmitter cannot be seen in any of the video's,and so,must be in another room. If Roland Schinzinger and John Sanchez are credible people,then the only conclusion is that the device did exactly what the inventor claims it dose. --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #4 on: 2019-02-03, 08:10:46 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	OK,here is my video on the DUT at ATM. Now,i have completed and tested a larger transformer of the same configuration,and well,i'll let the next video show you the outcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfDo5A3Gx8 Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #5 on: 2019-02-03, 08:42:26 »

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Quote from: TinMan on 2019-02-03, 08:10:46

OK,here is my video on the DUT at ATM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfDo5A3Gx8

I don't understand the schematic, e.g. because I do not see 4 wires coming out of the transformer ...but don't these scope probe ground clips short the points of the circuit that they are connected to?
If you measure the resistance between these 2 ground clips, it is 0Ω, isn't it ?

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #6 on: 2019-02-03, 09:19:17 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Quote from: verpies on 2019-02-03, 08:42:26 I don't understand the schematic, e.g. because I do not see 4 wires coming out of the transformer ...but don't these scope probe ground clips short the points of the circuit that they are connected to? If you measure the resistance between these 2 ground clips, it is 0Ω, isn't it ? Yes,the scope probes share a common ground,but in this case it dose not matter. The scope ground lead can be removed from the secondary,and the result is exactly the same. If i place the DMM across the 1 ohm load resistor,it gives the same value as the scope's average value,and the input power remains the same,regardless of the load across the secondary coil. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #7 on: 2019-02-03, 10:01:36 »

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Hi Brad,
Where can we find the schematic?

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TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #8 on: 2019-02-03, 11:01:05 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Quote from: F6FLT on 2019-02-03, 10:01:36 Hi Brad, Where can we find the schematic? just drawing it up now. Had my hands full with the grandkids for past couple of hours Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #9 on: 2019-02-03, 11:14:08 »

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Nice Brad. I'd like to print one. I have a 100mm D one already But I'd like to go to 300. I have some 15A wirring left over from my old shed so I think I'll use that as the primary. `````````````````````````

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #10 on: 2019-02-03, 11:25:08 »

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Hi Brad,

I wonder why you made a gap in the toroidal core for this setup?

Addition: would you measure inductances for the two coils?

Thanks,
Gyula

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #11 on: 2019-02-03, 11:33:11 »

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Quote from: gyula on 2019-02-03, 11:25:08

Hi Brad,

I wonder why you made a gap in the toroidal core for this setup?

Addition: would you measure inductances for the two coils?

Thanks,
Gyula

If it was me because it would act as a single turn short.

Regards

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gyula	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #12 on: 2019-02-03, 11:42:31 »
Group: Tech Wizard Hero Member Posts: 1250	Dear Mike, Thanks but your comment is not clear for me yet. A single turn short from which coil's point of view? I would like to learn so if you could elaborate on this? Gyula

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #13 on: 2019-02-03, 11:59:18 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	The very simple schematic. ------------------------ TPU Continuum Test circuit 1.JPG (18.16 kB, 590x416 - viewed 908 times.) --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #14 on: 2019-02-03, 11:59:52 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Quote from: Centraflow on 2019-02-03, 11:33:11 If it was me because it would act as a single turn short. Regards Mike --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Centraflow	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #15 on: 2019-02-03, 12:01:02 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 3024	Quote from: gyula on 2019-02-03, 11:42:31 Dear Mike, Thanks but your comment is not clear for me yet. A single turn short from which coil's point of view? I would like to learn so if you could elaborate on this? Gyula Hi Gyula If the toroid is iron-based it may produce currents with the configuration used, if so the results Brad is looking for may not be the same. I think I know what you are thinking, it is effectively wound just like any other transformer if you look at the "tree and not the wood" Have you ever wound a coil over a ferrite cylinder core (with a slit down one side, then passed a single loop through the middle to power a small light, the coil being driven at it's resonant frequency? no slit no light. Just the way I was thinking Regards Mike --------------------------- "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 As a general rule, the most successful person in life is the person that has the best information.

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #16 on: 2019-02-03, 12:09:01 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Now,have a look at this. I think Mike will like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ZkWUC-zbQ Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #17 on: 2019-02-03, 12:12:46 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Quote from: gyula on 2019-02-03, 11:25:08 Hi Brad, I wonder why you made a gap in the toroidal core for this setup? Addition: would you measure inductances for the two coils? Thanks, Gyula The gap is so the magnetic field within the core do not form a continual loop--no magnetic short so to speak. I will go get those values for you now Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #18 on: 2019-02-03, 12:18:17 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4727	Quote from: gyula on 2019-02-03, 11:25:08 Hi Brad, I wonder why you made a gap in the toroidal core for this setup? Addition: would you measure inductances for the two coils? Thanks, Gyula The primary (the smaller gauge wire wrapped around the larger gauge wire)is 50uH,and the secondary is 30uH --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

gyula	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #19 on: 2019-02-03, 14:11:35 »
Group: Tech Wizard Hero Member Posts: 1250	Hi Mike, Thanks for your answer. I was suspecting the effect of the 1 Ohm across the secondary as a 'short' (reflecting back to the input), this is why I asked 'the which coil's point of view', you figured my way of thinking ok in this respect. My answer to your question is no, I have not built a coil over a lengthwise slit toroidal core but onto solid toroids only. I also built coils onto the outside surface of stacked toroids (but having no gaps lengthwise) and there was a conductor too going through in the center of the toroids (like in couplers), I found nothing special. the 'trick' now seems to be the gap in the core and the winding method of the primary wire directly onto the secondary wire. It remains to be seen how effective such 'trick' can be. Due to the very tight and close windings there should be a relatively high capacity between the two wires i.e. between the primary and secondary coils. Perhaps this capacitance can give a resonant frequency with the coils, this may or may not be beneficial. Gyula

gyula	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #20 on: 2019-02-03, 14:20:16 »
Group: Tech Wizard Hero Member Posts: 1250	Quote from: TinMan on 2019-02-03, 12:18:17 The primary (the smaller gauge wire wrapped around the larger gauge wire)is 50uH,and the secondary is 30uH Hi Brad, Thanks for checking the inductances. And I understand your comment on the gap. I suspect that the strong capacitive coupling between the two windings may make up for the normally negative effect of the gap it causes magnetically in the usual energy transfer in transformers. This remains to be seen of course. Gyula

ion	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #21 on: 2019-02-03, 15:11:44 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Quote from: TinMan on 2019-02-03, 12:18:17 The primary (the smaller gauge wire wrapped around the larger gauge wire)is 50uH,and the secondary is 30uH Brad The differences between the two cores is very interesting. Normally in a switch mode flyback converter the forward pulse is not loaded on the secondary, so the primary current is not altered by load changes in the secondary, as they are two independent events (unless it is feedback stabilized for changing loads). Where the forward pulse is used in the secondary loading, we would expect to see a direct correlation between primary current and secondary load. That we do not is the interesting difference. That there is a difference in the measured inductance between the main winding and the over winding is also significant and to be investigated, as both windings represent the same number of actual turns threading the core. Can you now do a control experiment by trying the same gapped core wound with a bifilar (can be very small zip cord or two lengths of wire lightly twisted) of equal length and number of turns as your compound wire. If it will fit on the core, it will not be necessary to unwind the original as long as the ends of the original are not touching anything. Of course it will be better to remove the original for this test. Measure the inductance to see if it is close to the original or somewhere between 30 to 50 uH, then run the test again. We expect that the inductance will be equal for a bifilar winding. The "control" test should be revealing. BTW, the gap allows the remnant magnetism to quickly reset out of the core and prevents flux walking leading to saturation as may occur in the ungapped core, although we have no idea of core material for the two cores tested it is hard to tell. The scope shots do not seem to indicate saturation. Regarding the report #2 Wattsup was the first to bring up the possibility of a string of common 9V batteries a some time ago. To refute this, battery analysis was done by me a while back here: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=403.msg6496#msg6496 You should complete your analysis of the second report and take notes as several important points (clues) were missed. Regards --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #22 on: 2019-02-03, 15:35:42 »

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Brad,

My analysis of your videos is as follows:

Video #1- The input current has a peak of ~800ma which would include any reflected output current plus the core magnetization current, The core magnetization current will be proportionally high compared to the reflected current due to the large core gap so any small change in output current will be masked. The Pout with the 1k load is ~ .0055^2 * 1e3 = 30mw and with the 1 ohm load is ~ .193^2 * 1 = 37mw. Is this output change too small to really show up as a significant input change?

Video #2- In the first part with the larger core, the input reflected and mag current is now ~30ma peak thus considerably less than the small core due to there being no core gap. The output will now have a greater affect on the input as a result. Here the Pout for the 1k load is ~.005^ * 1e3 = 25mw and for the 1 ohm is ~ .111^2 * 1 = 12mw!

The second part of the this video with the small core inserted still shows a high reflected and mag current of ~500ma which appears to be less than the first video due to a reduced duty cycle. However, with the load change, there is a small but detectable change in the input current in your scope waveforms.

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Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #23 on: 2019-02-03, 17:39:29 »

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Just started reading this thread and from Brad's first post he said

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The biggest problem is the magnetic field's between the primary and secondary interacting with each other,where the secondary produces a magnetic field equal to but also working against that produced by the primary.

After doing much magnetic domain analysis I have reached the view that the primary and secondary currents produce mmf, and it is the combination of those two mmfs that create the magnetic field. I think it is wrong to imagine fields working against each other. There is only one field and that comes from the mmfs.

The secondary mmf exactly cancels the primary load-current component of its mmf, hence the secondary mmf does not produce a magnetic field at all (this is for perfect coupling, if the coupling is not perfect the primary load-current and the secondary load-current combine to drive a leakage magnetic field). There is also a primary mmf component at 90 degrees to the load component (from the so called magnetizing current) and this drives the magnetic field around the core.
Just started reading this thread and from Brad's first post he said

Edit. This is for sine waves. For pulses the concept of a 90 degree component is meaningless.

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verpies	Re: TPU Continuum « Reply #24 on: 2019-02-03, 19:02:59 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3670	Quote from: TinMan on 2019-02-03, 12:18:17 The primary (the smaller gauge wire wrapped around the larger gauge wire)is 50uH,and the secondary is 30uH ...and what is the capacitance between an open primary and open secondary ? Also, does this capacitance change when your micro-wrapped composite wire is straight vs. wound on the toroidal core ?