Brad,
Itsu
we have Q1 off, C1 is charged, no currents flow.
Yes,current dose flow through CSR1,and then through C1 CSR.
When Q1 turns on, we see C1 discharge via csr2, transistor etc. and
we see current through csr1 from the battery also through csr2, transistor etc. (thus we can add up those currents)
You can only add up the current from CSR1 and CSR-C2 that are within the 5% on time of the transistor.
You cannot add the average of CSR1 to the output current average of CSR-c1 to arrive at the average current flow in from the source.
Does the fact that both the sim and the real circuit are giving the exact same signals not tell you that this
circuit seem to follow the well established rules of electronic circuits?
There is nothing wrong with the wave form's--they are as they should be.
Nor is there anything wrong with the well (theoretical) established rules of electronics.
The problem here is human error--nothing more.
There still is a missing part after adding up, but this was explained in posts #218 and #220 by showing that that missing part is exactly the same as the FG current.
Not on my bench.
Please see scope shot below,where i have taken a differential voltage measurement across the 100 ohm base resistor.
You can clearly see that the V/drop across that resistor is !at best! 500mV.
500mV across 100 ohms give us 5mA of current. And that 5mA is only for 5% of a full cycle.
What would be the average current flowing into the system from the FG ?
Peak current through CSR2 during the one time in my tests(as i have shown many times now),is 1.1 amps.
So if you wish to subtract that 5mA from that value,then we have 1.095 amps.
when Q1 shuts off, current through csr2 stops, but current through csr1 still flows into C1 to recharge it.
That is correct,and is the very reason you cannot add the average current through CSR1 to the current being delivered by the cap during the on time to calculate your current in,as during the off time,the current through CSR 1 is being stored in the cap.
You are accounting for some of the current flowing through CSR1 twice--and you cant do that.
Please see scope shot below,where i have marked out the portion of current through CSR1 you can add to the output current of C1,and the portion of CSR1 current you cannot add to the output current of CSR-C1.
You can add the % of current between the red lines to the output current of CSR-C1
You cannot add the portion of current between the green lines to the output current of CSR-C1,as that portion is going into C1,and not through the coil.
Hope that is clear enough.
If not,then use the water flow through pipes ,with the added vessel(C1),and see if you can make more water flow out of meter 2 than is flowing in through meter 1.
does the fact alone that all currents in the circuit add up perfectly both in the sim and the real circuit
say something to you?
Yes
It means that people will find what ever they need,so as to conform to the theories of today.
Brad
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