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ion	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #25 on: 2018-06-12, 18:07:31 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-12, 03:40:58 Yeah, I should have looked for a more reliable source regarding gravity and altitude. Even if a friction-less scale won't balance, and exhibits hysteresis (noise), what does that say about the nature of gravity? Does gravity have a frequency? There really is no known state of true weightlessness(except for a short period of time), as gravity from all bodies extends to infinity, so an object in a gravitational "neutral zone" will sooner or later be pulled in the direction of stronger gravity, as there is no perfectly neutral zone. The hysteresis I am referring to is the deadband or force required to change state of a binary device. e.g. an op-amp with some positive feedback, a Schmitt trigger, an ordinary switch with over center mechanism, a snap disc etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmitt_trigger --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

Grumpy	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #26 on: 2018-06-12, 18:36:59 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Nothing has "weight" until it's mass is subjected to a gravitational force, which, like you say, is everywhere to some degree. Back to the subject at hand, I see no way to harness naturally occurring gravity as a source of energy with the exception of one method. If you setup a homopolar generator so that the disc precesses (leaning sideways so that the disc is at an angle) then gravity can be used to generate a current in the discs as it rotates (i.e. precesses). The output should be slightly more than the energy required to rotate the disc, but gravity is pretty weak so don't expect too much. Fields can be rotated much easier than physical discs, and I have a hunch that the early TPU's used gravity in the same way, but the field was much faster and cheaper than rotating a disc. On that note, gravity can be a great free source of energy if you simulate a rotating conductive disc with a rotating electric field and use a conductor to induce a current.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #27 on: 2018-06-14, 00:23:47 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-12, 18:36:59 Nothing has "weight" until it's mass is subjected to a gravitational force, which, like you say, is everywhere to some degree. Back to the subject at hand, I see no way to harness naturally occurring gravity as a source of energy with the exception of one method. If you setup a homopolar generator so that the disc precesses (leaning sideways so that the disc is at an angle) then gravity can be used to generate a current in the discs as it rotates (i.e. precesses). The output should be slightly more than the energy required to rotate the disc, but gravity is pretty weak so don't expect too much. Fields can be rotated much easier than physical discs, and I have a hunch that the early TPU's used gravity in the same way, but the field was much faster and cheaper than rotating a disc. On that note, gravity can be a great free source of energy if you simulate a rotating conductive disc with a rotating electric field and use a conductor to induce a current. Grumpy How will gravity generate a current in the disc ? Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Grumpy	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #28 on: 2018-06-14, 14:44:04 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: TinMan on 2018-06-14, 00:23:47 Grumpy How will gravity generate a current in the disc ? Brad Because the disc is precesing (rotating like a top) and per this theory, you can replace the magnetic field of a conventional homopolar generator with gravity, but only if you precess the disc rather than just rotate it. One of the main points of this theory is that electric current only occurs if the electrons are forced to precess. Precession usually requires two orthogonal forces, but since the disc is precessing, only one force is required. It's really hard to make mechanically. The Gyroscopic Force Theory is a complete unified theory. Unifying gravity, magnetism and other forces. Quaternions are used in this theory and this makes it difficult for anyone who has never used them. I've never learned to use them, so I just pick interesting pieces out of the theory and ask Willie about them. (Willie is writing a book on electrodynamics now, so he doesn't have a lot of time, but is eager to explain things when he has time.) I introduced the GFT here back in 2010: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=419.msg6825#msg6825 This is the old chapter on homopolar motors/generators (before the book was published): http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=79.msg3015#msg3015

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #29 on: 2018-06-14, 15:14:55 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-14, 14:44:04 Because the disc is precesing (rotating like a top) and per this theory, you can replace the magnetic field of a conventional homopolar generator with gravity, but only if you precess the disc rather than just rotate it. One of the main points of this theory is that electric current only occurs if the electrons are forced to precess. Precession usually requires two orthogonal forces, but since the disc is precessing, only one force is required. It's really hard to make mechanically. The Gyroscopic Force Theory is a complete unified theory. Unifying gravity, magnetism and other forces. Quaternions are used in this theory and this makes it difficult for anyone who has never used them. I've never learned to use them, so I just pick interesting pieces out of the theory and ask Willie about them. (Willie is writing a book on electrodynamics now, so he doesn't have a lot of time, but is eager to explain things when he has time.) I introduced the GFT here back in 2010: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=419.msg6825#msg6825 This is the old chapter on homopolar motors/generators (before the book was published): http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=79.msg3015#msg3015 Interesting subject. Thanks --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #30 on: 2018-06-14, 15:48:59 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	author=Grumpy link=topic=3638.msg68267#msg68267 date=1528825019] Quote Back to the subject at hand, I see no way to harness naturally occurring gravity as a source of energy I am reminded of the !faster down wind than the wind! machine. So many said it could not be done--but it was. Only then did we see many say--of course it can work,there is nothing special about it. But they only said this once it was done. We also have a massless particle(the photon) that can knock another particle(the electron) through a PN junction,and resulting in a flow of electrical current. Who would have thought we could turn light into electrical power--no one 100 years ago i recon. Gravity is a unidirectional force,where it can only pull objects with mass toward other objects with mass-right?-->well no. Gravity can actually push mass away from another body of mass as well-->alternating gravitational force Only once it is done,will we here the--yea,but there's nothing out of the ordinary there. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Grumpy	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #31 on: 2018-06-14, 17:33:30 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	In 1887, Heinrich Hertz discovered that electrodes illuminated with ultraviolet light create electric sparks more easily. In 1905, Albert Einstein published a paper advancing the hypothesis that light energy is carried in discrete quantized packets to explain experimental data from the photoelectric effect. A lot of people think Tesla's radiant energy collector was an example of the photoelectric effect, but his plates were insulated, and the voltage generated was high voltage that would discharge across a spark gap, so it must have been something else. How is gravity going to push something away from something else? Are you talking about the sling shot effect?

muDped	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #32 on: 2018-06-14, 19:17:29 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3055	Quote from: Grumpy In 1887, Heinrich Hertz discovered that electrodes illuminated with ultraviolet light create electric sparks more easily. In certain military electronics when gaseous voltage regulator tubes were in common use, a small neon lamp was placed in near proximity to the Voltage Regulator Tube to assure reliable ionization under all conditions. The small amount of light from the neon lamp assisted ionization in the tube. --------------------------- For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #33 on: 2018-06-14, 23:32:31 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-14, 17:33:30 How is gravity going to push something away from something else? Are you talking about the sling shot effect? No. You just place one fluid (gas) inside a more dense fluid (water),-->buoyancy A basket ball is pulled toward the earth,until you place it in water. It is then pushed away from the earth,due to the very force that pulled it toward earth in the first place. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Grumpy	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #34 on: 2018-06-15, 01:42:36 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy Buoyancy is a force separate from gravity.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #35 on: 2018-06-15, 02:54:05 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-15, 01:42:36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy Buoyancy is a force separate from gravity. What causes the buoyant force? Is there a buoyant force without gravity? Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Grumpy	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #36 on: 2018-06-15, 03:17:33 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	Quote from: TinMan on 2018-06-15, 02:54:05 What causes the buoyant force? Is there a buoyant force without gravity? Brad OK, so buoyancy requires gravity to pull the floating object into the fluid, but it's not a source of energy. There are those wave generators though, that use the ocean wave energy.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #37 on: 2018-06-15, 04:10:46 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-15, 03:17:33 OK, so buoyancy requires gravity to pull the floating object into the fluid, but it's not a source of energy. There are those wave generators though, that use the ocean wave energy. My point is this--we can turn a unidirectional force into an alternating force. We now have an alternating force that can be turned into a rotating torque. The catch being here,is how to get the buoyant object into the bottom of the fluid,without using up the energy gained in the rest of the cycle. Much the same problem as getting a wind powered vehicle to travel directly into the wind that is the force driving the vehicle. Oh wait--they have already done that Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

ion	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #38 on: 2018-06-15, 13:35:35 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	The problem with the picture from wikipedia is that it is somewhat oversimplified and somewhat misleading as it does not show the force of gravity on the water, rather uses density of the water to illustrate. (no arrows shown pushing down on the water to create what we know as pressure in the water) A very small body of water(say the size of a swimming pool) floating in zero G would be held together by it's own gravity and the surface tension of the liquid. Our basketball inserted into this body would only have a very weak buoyancy effect. The same body of water in earths surface gravity would have very a strong buoyancy effect. Note that the actual mass/unit volume of the water has not changed appreciably in both cases but if we use the old weight /unit volume to determine density it makes density variable depending on which planet you are doing the measuring on unless you've standardized the definition to only consider earth gravity as your reference. I could be wrong but I would say that mass/volume alone does not directly account for buoyancy e.g. mass/volume of water in zero G as explained above. Rather, it is directly related to gravity plus mass/volume. A higher mass/volume medium will exhibit a stronger buoyancy effect to a lower mass/volume inserted object in a higher gravitational field. If I am confused , please correct. ------------------------ GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? 220px-Buoyancy.svg.png (18.11 kB, 220x275 - viewed 351 times.) « Last Edit: 2018-06-15, 14:38:54 by ion » --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #39 on: 2018-06-15, 14:06:12 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	author=ion link=topic=3638.msg68339#msg68339 date=1529066135] Quote A very small body of water(say the size of a swimming pool) floating in zero G would be held together by it's own gravity and the surface tension of the liquid. Our basketball inserted into this body would only have a very weak buoyancy effect. How would the basket ball have any buoyancy value in zero G ?. If the body of water is in a zero G environment (lets say space),to which surface of the water would the ball rise to ?--which is the top of the body of water in space ? What you have done though ION,is prove what i stated in post 30 .Quote: Gravity can actually push mass away from another body of mass as well. The basket ball submerged in the body of water in space,has no(very little-if any)buoyant value. As the body of water gets closer to earth,the buoyant value of the ball increases. As the gravitational force increases on that body of water,so dose the buoyant value of the basket ball. Gravity wants to pull the water down,which causes the ball to be pushed up. Could there be a proof in the above that can prove gravity is an energy source $:-\$ Let me think about what you said a little ION. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

ion	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #40 on: 2018-06-15, 14:18:14 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	From Brad: Quote How would the basket ball have any buoyancy value in zero G ?. If the body of water is in a zero G environment (lets say space),to which surface of the water would the ball rise to ?--which is the top of the body of water in space ? Only it's own (self) gravity would cause some small buoyancy effect. Depends on where it was located reference to the water's center of gravity when let go. Quote What you have done though ION,is prove what i stated in post 30 .Quote: Gravity can actually push mass away from another body of mass as well. That was my intent. You have well stated that gravity can have a reverse effect. Quote The basket ball submerged in the body of water in space,has no(very little-if any)buoyant value. As the body of water gets closer to earth,the buoyant value of the ball increases. As the gravitational force increases on that body of water,so dose the buoyant value of the basket ball. Agree on all counts. Kinda proves buoyancy directly related to gravity. Quote Gravity wants to pull the water down,which causes the ball to be pushed up. True, as you said it is a reverse acting effect, now we need to figure out how to use that reversal in harmony with the original force. Quote Could there be a proof in the above that can prove gravity is an energy source $:-\$ Well, we are all still working on that, aren't we I often put forth my own erroneous ideas to be corrected by those on the forum that have greater training and insight (e.g Smudge). In this way I learn, however it is not without the risk of me also having to wear the dunce hat from time to time. regards --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #41 on: 2018-06-15, 16:05:46 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	author=Grumpy link=topic=3638.msg68334#msg68334 date=1529029053] Quote OK, so buoyancy requires gravity to pull the floating object into the fluid, but it's not a source of energy. I was referring to a ball rising to the top of a column of water,but anyway Stay with me here Grumpy,and i'll show you gravity being an energy source--and your going to help me confirm it Lets say we have a tube and some other components, that weighs say 10,000KGs in total. That tube is 1 meter in diameter,and 10 meters high. On top of this tube is an ideal generator,which has an ideal propellor attached to it. Inside we have an ideal battery pack,which is drained of all it's energy<-- the other components. Now,we are going to raise this device up into space until we reach a point where the gravitational pull from the earth is only 1% of what it is here on the earths surface. We are stopping at this 1% position,so as the device will fall back to earth by it self. On the way back down to earth,the !ideal! propellor is turning the !ideal generator,which in turn is charging the !ideal! battery bank. The energy required to lift the device to the 1% gravity point is X amount. What will be the energy recaptured in our !ideal! battery bank on the devices descent back down to earth,where we assume no other losses in the descent ?. Brad. « Last Edit: 2018-06-17, 01:20:56 by TinMan » --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #42 on: 2018-06-17, 01:29:43 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: ion on 2018-06-15, 13:35:35 The problem with the picture from wikipedia is that it is somewhat oversimplified and somewhat misleading as it does not show the force of gravity on the water, rather uses density of the water to illustrate. (no arrows shown pushing down on the water to create what we know as pressure in the water) A very small body of water(say the size of a swimming pool) floating in zero G would be held together by it's own gravity and the surface tension of the liquid. Our basketball inserted into this body would only have a very weak buoyancy effect. The same body of water in earths surface gravity would have very a strong buoyancy effect. Note that the actual mass/unit volume of the water has not changed appreciably in both cases but if we use the old weight /unit volume to determine density it makes density variable depending on which planet you are doing the measuring on unless you've standardized the definition to only consider earth gravity as your reference. I could be wrong but I would say that mass/volume alone does not directly account for buoyancy e.g. mass/volume of water in zero G as explained above. Rather, it is directly related to gravity plus mass/volume. A higher mass/volume medium will exhibit a stronger buoyancy effect to a lower mass/volume inserted object in a higher gravitational field. If I am confused , please correct. OK,using IONs above post,i have found that physics it self confirms gravity is an energy source. It also confirms a statement i made elsewhere,where when work is done by the gravitational field,this work has no effect on the volume of energy stored in that gravitational field. Gravity is an inexhaustible source of energy. To go even further-->gravity can create energy,and physics backs this up Brad « Last Edit: 2018-06-17, 03:04:03 by TinMan » --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Grumpy	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #43 on: 2018-06-17, 16:25:59 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 3948 tExB=qr	I think everyone is better off utilizing "other" modes of induction to create useful electricity than harnessing a single-direction accelerating force. http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2561.msg40498#msg40498 You take that wonderful electricity, more out than you are using to make it, and generate a gravity-like accelerating force with it. Sha-Zam! Go back through history and take a look at the butcher job they did on electrodynamics. They threw out half of it! Yet most scientist keep pushing forward with the half they left us with, which is incomplete.

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #44 on: 2018-06-18, 00:32:41 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Grumpy on 2018-06-17, 16:25:59 I think everyone is better off utilizing "other" modes of induction to create useful electricity than harnessing a single-direction accelerating force. http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2561.msg40498#msg40498 You take that wonderful electricity, more out than you are using to make it, and generate a gravity-like accelerating force with it. Sha-Zam! Go back through history and take a look at the butcher job they did on electrodynamics. They threw out half of it! Yet most scientist keep pushing forward with the half they left us with, which is incomplete. Is this not !OverUnityResearch! ? Is there no interest here about researching an !overunity! device,where the sea of gravity can provide endless clean energy ?. This can all be done on paper,using the current laws of physics. If some one can show just one instance of gravity creating energy,would that not open the doors for other methods to be obtained ?. I mean,the universe is full of energy,and that had to come from some where-did it not?. Oh well,if there is no interest in the subject at hand,i'll just go on with something else. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

ion	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #45 on: 2018-06-18, 03:18:19 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 3537 It's turtles all the way down	Brad, you said: Quote If some one can show just one instance of gravity creating energy,would that not open the doors for other methods to be obtained ?. I mean,the universe is full of energy,and that had to come from some where-did it not?. Oh well,if there is no interest in the subject at hand,i'll just go on with something else. Brad Well, Brad, you know I am interested in the subject and the purpose of this thread was to arouse interest and arguments. In post #7 I think I created an experiment that shows you can get more out of what you put into lifting an object, the trick being that you send the weight to the neutral zone then let a different gravitational body of more mass attract the object. There are probably some good refutations of this argument that I have not seen posted. I also posted some other arguments. Maybe these arguments are sophomoric, but I am just learning. Regards --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #46 on: 2018-06-18, 05:19:49 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: ion on 2018-06-18, 03:18:19 Brad, you said: Well, Brad, you know I am interested in the subject and the purpose of this thread was to arouse interest and arguments. In post #7 I think I created an experiment that shows you can get more out of what you put into lifting an object, the trick being that you send the weight to the neutral zone then let a different gravitational body of more mass attract the object. There are probably some good refutations of this argument that I have not seen posted. I also posted some other arguments. Maybe these arguments are sophomoric, but I am just learning. Regards My mathematical experiment is simply raising a mass to a given hight,and then lowering that mass back to it's starting position,where the value of that mass never changes. To perform these calculations,we stick to all the known laws of physics. We will need two people to carry out the math,and present there findings here. I believe we can show those pesky laws (thermodynamics and the conservation of energy)do not always apply,and gravity can be a source of infinite energy. I am hoping Pm and Smudge will take up the small mathematical challenge-or anyone here that wishes to give it a go. It just seems that now everything has to comply with the known laws of physics,and it has become an automatic response now. What are the ramifications of showing that energy can be created ? Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

Smudge	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #47 on: 2018-06-18, 11:03:25 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 1940	I have previously suggested a reason for the Bessler wheel to work where the falling mass gains spin energy rather than the usual linear velocity energy, then uses force precession to transfer that angular momentum to the big wheel. That was shot down by TK who pointed out that forced precession requires energy. However the recent mention of the Aspden effect on another thread has suggested another approach. Aspden discovered that he could spin-up a flywheel and the input energy needed to do this was equivalent to the subsequent stored energy in the flywheel. However if he quickly stopped the flywheel and then spun it up again it needed far less energy to spin it up a second time. Somehow the aether had achieved some vortex property that allowed that second spin-up to require less input enegy. His experiments showed that the aether held this property for several minutes. Now go back to my Bessler wheel where the falling mass has small pinions that engage with an inclined or near vertical rack so as to gain angular energy of almost mgh. It is caught by the inside of the big wheel where it is trapped and can't independently rotate thus imparting that mgh energy to the big wheel. It has left behind in the aether that hidden Aspden vortex that current physics doesn't recognize. That mass gets carried back to the top and on its second fall requires less energy to spin up so it achieves a greater spin rate than previously. Here is the possibility of obtaining perpetual motion. Maybe Bessler's wheel was not the scam that most people think. Smudge

TinMan	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #48 on: 2018-06-18, 11:54:48 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4728	Quote from: Smudge on 2018-06-18, 11:03:25 I have previously suggested a reason for the Bessler wheel to work where the falling mass gains spin energy rather than the usual linear velocity energy, then uses force precession to transfer that angular momentum to the big wheel. That was shot down by TK who pointed out that forced precession requires energy. However the recent mention of the Aspden effect on another thread has suggested another approach. Aspden discovered that he could spin-up a flywheel and the input energy needed to do this was equivalent to the subsequent stored energy in the flywheel. However if he quickly stopped the flywheel and then spun it up again it needed far less energy to spin it up a second time. Somehow the aether had achieved some vortex property that allowed that second spin-up to require less input enegy. His experiments showed that the aether held this property for several minutes. Now go back to my Bessler wheel where the falling mass has small pinions that engage with an inclined or near vertical rack so as to gain angular energy of almost mgh. It is caught by the inside of the big wheel where it is trapped and can't independently rotate thus imparting that mgh energy to the big wheel. It has left behind in the aether that hidden Aspden vortex that current physics doesn't recognize. That mass gets carried back to the top and on its second fall requires less energy to spin up so it achieves a greater spin rate than previously. Here is the possibility of obtaining perpetual motion. Maybe Bessler's wheel was not the scam that most people think. Smudge I spent a couple of days researching this !Aspden! effect some years back--I think Grum did as well,if memory serves me correct. My measurement method was very accurate,but the results showed only a very small reduction in needed energy and time to get the flywheel back up to speed. My findings for the motor with bearings were that it was nothing more than the bearings in the motor getting up to running temperature,where the grease in the bearings became warmer and thinner during the first 5 minutes of running,thus taking less time and energy to get up to speed in the next run. To confirm this,i let the motor (which had the flywheel directly attached to its shaft)sit for 2 hours,so as it was cold again. This time,before starting my first run,i heated up the motor a bit with the heat gun,so as the motor and bearings would be at the temperature they would be after a 5 minute run. The result was that the flywheel got up to the same speed,in the same time as it did in the !Aspden effect! run. My second set of tests used a motor with no bearings,but brass bushes instead. I used a very light machine oil as lubricant on the bushes. in 5 run's,there was no difference in time or required power to get the flywheel up to a set RPM. In both tests,i used my PSU,with a set voltage,and current limited to a predetermined value. Brad --------------------------- Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.

CITFTA	Re: GRAVITY: Is it a source of energy? « Reply #49 on: 2018-06-18, 12:49:04 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 782 Believing in something false doesn't make it true.	Quote I guess if we had some kind of gravity shield we could put it above an object and see if the object floats which would maybe prove the force is pushing down on the object. Or put the gravity shield below the object and if it floats would that prove gravity is an attraction force? Respectfully, Carroll Hi Carroll You don't need to float objects, just put your "gravity shield" under one side of a wheel with horizontal axle, it will spin when you shield one side. Just note the direction of spin to determine push or pull. This could be carried out with a lightweight wheel in a vacuum with magnetic bearings. Now where is that "Gravity Shield"........ I have a few ideas. Brad The Gravity Toy proposed on my bench might work by accumulating excess angular momentum while staying strictly aligned with the vertical force of Gravity. A normal weight rolling down a ramp does not do this. I have some good ideas for improving this device by adding variable pitch to the descending spinning weight to present a better variable "impedance match" to gravity force. I would be very interested in seeing your idea for gaining excess energy by returning a weight to it's starting point. Regards « Last Edit: 2018-06-18, 13:14:46 by ion » --------------------------- Just because it is on YouTube does not make it real.

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