Spice term and its meaning

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Thaelin

Spice term and its meaning « on: 2010-08-09, 09:43:03 »

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Hey all:
I have been getting into 3 phase line and motor systems lately and ran into a spice model that has a column labeled
Fourier component and Normalized component. I take these as the voltage/current measured in that point in the
circuit but need to know for sure. Thanks

thay

poynt99

Re: Spice term and its meaning « Reply #1 on: 2010-08-09, 13:34:40 »

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...

Thay,

Could you be more specific about which model and spice program you are using?

Also, please clarify where you are seeing these columns and values.

.99

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Thaelin	Re: Spice term and its meaning « Reply #2 on: 2010-08-09, 20:18:09 »
Full Member Posts: 124	Here is the program and its output. Y-Y source/load (no neutral) with harmonics * * phase1 voltage source and r (120 v /_ 0 deg) vsource1 1 0 sin(0 120 60 0 0) rsource1 1 2 1 * * phase2 voltage source and r (120 v /_ 120 deg) vsource2 3 0 sin(0 120 60 5.55555m 0) rsource2 3 4 1 * * phase3 voltage source and r (120 v /_ 240 deg) vsource3 5 0 sin(0 120 60 11.1111m 0) rsource3 5 6 1 * * line resistances rline1 2 8 1 rline2 4 9 1 rline3 6 10 1 * * phase 1 of load rload1 8 7 1k i3har1 8 7 sin(0 50m 180 0 0) i5har1 8 7 sin(0 50m 300 0 0) i7har1 8 7 sin(0 50m 420 0 0) i9har1 8 7 sin(0 50m 540 0 0) * * phase 2 of load rload2 9 7 1k i3har2 9 7 sin(0 50m 180 5.55555m 0) i5har2 9 7 sin(0 50m 300 5.55555m 0) i7har2 9 7 sin(0 50m 420 5.55555m 0) i9har2 9 7 sin(0 50m 540 5.55555m 0) * * phase 3 of load rload3 10 7 1k i3har3 10 7 sin(0 50m 180 11.1111m 0) i5har3 10 7 sin(0 50m 300 11.1111m 0) i7har3 10 7 sin(0 50m 420 11.1111m 0) i9har3 10 7 sin(0 50m 540 11.1111m 0) * * analysis stuff .options itl5=0 .tran 0.5m 100m 12m 1u .plot tran v(2,8) .four 60 v(2,8) .plot tran v(0,7) .four 60 v(0,7) .plot tran v(8,7) .four 60 v(8,7) .end Fourier analysis of line current: Fourier components of transient response v(2,8) dc component = 5.423E-11 harmonic frequency Fourier normalized phase normalized no (hz) component component (deg) phase (deg) 1 6.000E+01 1.198E-01 1.000000 0.000 0.000 2 1.200E+02 2.388E-10 0.000000 158.016 158.016 3 1.800E+02 3.136E-07 0.000003 -90.009 -90.009 4 2.400E+02 5.963E-11 0.000000 -111.510 -111.510 5 3.000E+02 4.990E-02 0.416665 0.000 0.000 6 3.600E+02 8.606E-11 0.000000 -124.565 -124.565 7 4.200E+02 4.990E-02 0.416668 0.000 0.000 8 4.800E+02 8.126E-11 0.000000 -159.638 -159.638 9 5.400E+02 9.406E-07 0.000008 -90.005 -90.005 total harmonic distortion = 58.925539 percent Fourier analysis of voltage between the two “Y” center-points: Fourier components of transient response v(0,7) dc component = 6.093E-08 harmonic frequency Fourier normalized phase normalized no (hz) component component (deg) phase (deg) 1 6.000E+01 1.453E-04 1.000000 60.018 0.000 2 1.200E+02 6.263E-08 0.000431 91.206 31.188 3 1.800E+02 5.000E+01 344147.7879 -180.000 -240.018 4 2.400E+02 4.210E-07 0.002898 -21.103 -81.121 5 3.000E+02 3.023E-04 2.080596 119.981 59.963 6 3.600E+02 1.138E-07 0.000783 15.882 -44.136 7 4.200E+02 4.234E-04 2.913955 59.993 -0.025 8 4.800E+02 2.001E-07 0.001378 35.584 -24.434 9 5.400E+02 5.000E+01 344147.4728 -179.999 -240.017 total harmonic distortion = ************ percent Fourier analysis of load phase voltage: Fourier components of transient response v(8,7) dc component = 6.070E-08 harmonic frequency Fourier normalized phase normalized no (hz) component component (deg) phase (deg) 1 6.000E+01 1.198E+02 1.000000 0.000 0.000 2 1.200E+02 6.231E-08 0.000000 90.473 90.473 3 1.800E+02 5.000E+01 0.417500 -180.000 -180.000 4 2.400E+02 4.278E-07 0.000000 -19.747 -19.747 5 3.000E+02 9.995E-02 0.000835 179.850 179.850 6 3.600E+02 1.023E-07 0.000000 13.485 13.485 7 4.200E+02 9.959E-02 0.000832 179.790 179.789 8 4.800E+02 1.991E-07 0.000000 35.462 35.462 9 5.400E+02 5.000E+01 0.417499 -179.999 -179.999 total harmonic distortion = 59.043467 percent I understand all except the fourier component and standardized component. Is this in volts or amps. Then it could also be the reading across a 1 ohm resistor which would make it amps. In the last output lines 3,9 both have 5.000e+1 which makes 50 in this case. That means to me that the output on that phase for each of these harmonics is 50v which is bad Just confirm or not will do it. Just new to this area specially with spice, never have used it. thay

poynt99	Re: Spice term and its meaning « Reply #3 on: 2010-08-09, 20:43:04 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3216 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Thay, The Fourier component is the peak voltage or current(depending on which is being measured) for that frequency, and the "Normalized" column is the same, but with the fundamental frequency adjusted to the value "1.0" and the harmonics relative to this. You can probably ignore the "normalized" values for your purpose. Yes, lines 3 and 9 appear to be 50Vp and at 180 degrees. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa